Talk:Ruination (FOC)

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Should it really be disambiguiated as Prime? He's from the Generations line, which is all WFC/FOC designs... --Detour 01:50, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

Several of his components are already disambiguated as Prime due to being mentioned by Wheeljack. I just figured I'd follow that trend.--Rosicrucian^Talk 02:00, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

And for that matter, we have no indication that he's in the game so it'd be weird to give him that parenthetical after not appearing in the game.--Rosicrucian^Talk 02:04, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

The new Generations toys feature Fall of Cybertron markings quite clearly, though. [1] --Detour 03:15, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

And those specific toys are actually in the game.--Rosicrucian^Talk 13:57, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

And suppose the Ruination toys follow suit regardless? --Detour 15:26, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

If we don't know these guys are FOC, we have no reason to think they're Aligned continuity at all. "Prime" is a terrible disambig tag for them. -LV 23:01, 18 July 2012 (EDT)

Prime is a terrible disambig tag for them anyway, unless they've appeared in the television show. "FOC" would be preferred. --ItsWalky 00:20, 19 July 2012 (EDT)

For that matter, why are all the Combaticons at (WFC) and (FOC), but Bruticus is at (Prime)? How does that make any sense? -LV 02:49, 19 July 2012 (EDT)

According to the history, Interrobang moved him from WFC to Prime because of his inclusion in the online RPG. Have I mentioned how I hate the way we deal with Aligned disambigs? --ItsWalky 14:47, 19 July 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, I guess I can live with a (Generations) parenthetical, if the choice is between the game that they're not in, or the show that they're not in.--Rosicrucian^Talk 19:03, 19 July 2012 (EDT)

Judging by the distinctly not-FOC-style faces, it's possible they'll end up folded into their G1 pages anyway. But we'll see. --ItsWalky 19:43, 19 July 2012 (EDT)

Intro

It's not explicitly spelled out, but the standard has always been to talk about characters as though they're alive in their intros. G1wise, this is because characters may be dead or not at any given time in any given version of G1 continuity, but it should be extended to others for consistency. There are a few exceptions (Sentinel Prime's intro says he "was Optimus Prime's predecessor", but a) there's nothing else to say about him cross-franchise and b) "is Prime's predecessor" is a little odd) but even guys who first appeared as corpses (Hardcase, Playback) or who died immediately in their only appearances (Padlock, Fusion) subscribe to this. (The laundry list of dead G-named Autobots from TWW seems to be a notable exception.) -LV 16:19, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

Commandos

I really, really can't write off the fact that the four limbs have the same colour schemes as the four Commando limbs as some kind of coincidence, here. Xaaron's yellow, not orange - Ruination was orange. The Commandos homage is the only reason for there to be that much orange slathered across all these figures, instead of colouring them in the actual colours of the characters they're supposed to be. - Chris McFeely 21:16, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

I can see the homage on four of the five limbs. But there's little that suggests Impactor's carrying over Mega-Octane's colors. He has no green or gray, just orange and dark blue. --Detour 21:47, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

Ruination was gray. Or urine yellow. Not orange. --M Sipher 21:57, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

Ruination had a good amount of orange on him. Nowhere near as much as Ruination does thanks to Impactor, but each Combiner limb had its fair share of orange in its robot bits. --Detour 22:16, 14 July 2012 (EDT)

It's not as though the Wreckers aren't also in their own normal colors, plus a bunch of orange. I doubt very much that it's an intentional homage to someone the set isn't supposed to be and largely isn't decoed as, personally. I think it's orangey-gold to go with the Xaaron head. -LV 00:49, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

Every Ruination component except for Armorhide had a good chunk of orange on them. I agree that Impactor isn't homaging Mega Octane, but if they were colouring the toys so with the intention of having the combined mode evoke Xaaron, then why not colour Impactor his normal yellow (and use yellow as the unifying colour on the other limbs) since Xaaron is yellow, not orange? You don't think it's deliberate that the four limbs of a Bruticus repaint called Ruination share a colour scheme with the OTHER Bruticus repaint called Ruination, at the expense of more accurate colour schemes for the characters they're supposed to be? Even if we're trying to say this is just a coincidence - which I don't really believe, but it could be, and if it's proven it is - if it IS, I'd argue it STILL warrants mention on the page, for how immense a coincidence it would have to be. - Chris McFeely 06:06, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I agree with Chris. Impactor is an obvious exception, but the four limbs are pretty oddly RID Ruination colors for no discernible reason other than being RID Ruination colors. Whirl is a dark blue copter with orange robot parts why? --ItsWalky 10:44, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I think this is obviously a lost battle, but I guess all I can say is a) I never thought of Ruination as having a lot of orange, b) I never once thought of the RID guy when I saw this, and c) it strikes me as pretty weird that they'd do such a half-assed job "homaging" the RID colors by not using Mega-Octane's at all, not using any red on Whirl, not using light blue or any brown on Twin Twist, not using any black and hardly any orange on Topspin, not using any of the mustard-gold that makes up all of RID Ruination's kibble and most of his combined color, et cetera et cetera. To me, this is like the Retail Bruticus Is Energon Colors thing; because we get a lot of homages, the fandom tends to interpret everything as an homage. I guess someone should probably ask Hasbro who decoed him and, you know, find out. -LV 11:20, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I'm in complete agreement with LV here. Especially taking into account that these could conceivably be on shelves around the same time as the original Bruticus members, it's not hard to see why, for example, Roadbuster is more green than orange/tan (you know, that yellow Swindle). --M Sipher 13:26, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

But you have to admit that this would be a tremendous coincidence, surely? Hey, SDCC's not over yet, someone grab a Hasbro rep and ask. There's certainly room for doubt. - Chris McFeely 14:46, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

Coincidence that the G1-inspired guys are colors pretty close to their G1 colors while accounting for other uses of the mold and the overall color balance of the whole and not really looking much like the RID guy they took the name from? --M Sipher 14:50, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

Coincidence that the four limbs of the Bruticus repaint called Ruination are the same colours as the four limbs of the other Bruticus repaint called Ruination. - Chris McFeely 14:59, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

Given, you know, who's a jeep-thing, who's a tank-thing, who's a jet-thing, who's a helicopter, what the original characters' base colors are and the colors of the OTHER uses of the molds which blatantly take higher priority in the "accuracy" field, and how vague-at-best the similarities are in the final product... yeah. Coincidence on Hasbro's part, and a real reach on the fandom's. --M Sipher 15:19, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I'm afraid I can't gloss it away as easily as you can. - Chris McFeely 15:47, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

Really? I'd say taking into consideration the numerous mitigating factors and looking at the line as a whole and the other uses of the molds, you know, like Hasbro does, to explain the final color choices would be less easy than just glomming onto a vague similarity and doggedly sticking to it while ignoring all of the above. --M Sipher 15:58, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I'm with Chris. Anyone who doesn't see the RiD homage is being rediculous. All four limbs match perfectly, on a Bruticus repaint. That ALSO uses the Ruination name. There is no sane way that is a coincidence. --76.28.76.206 16:15, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I'm willing to say he was likely named in honor of RID Ruination, but not colored as such, because, you know, of everything listed above. --M Sipher 16:35, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I'd be potentially willing to believe that they came up with the color schemes first, then decided "Eh, you know what, let's name it Ruination" if it weren't for Whirl. Whirl's colors are so ridiculously unrelated to his G1 colors. The navy blue and orange is pure Ro-Tor, and the lack of red is easily justified by Hasbro's paint scrimping (they're not devoted enough to the homage to throw int another plastic/paint color that is barely different from the one they're using, and it very clearly captures the spirit of Ro-Tor, and not Whirl in the slightest). But, it is still conjecture until we get Hasbro saying otherwise, but... common sense says it's pretty clearly done in Ruination colors.156.33.37.196 10:36, 10 September 2012 (EDT)

Isn't Twin Twist entirely light blue? --66.87.68.56 13:07, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

Er, no?--Rosicrucian^Talk 14:02, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

What color would you say he is? --66.87.68.56 14:53, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I wouldn't say he's entirely any one color. He's usually white and blue.--Rosicrucian^Talk 18:26, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

I was referring to this new one, who appears to be an entirely blue tank, like RID Armorhide was.--66.87.71.79 22:07, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

Secondary weapons

The components each have secondary weapons in addition to those redecoed from Bruticus, but this article does not mention them. What happens to these parts?KrytenKoro 23:50, 11 February 2013 (EST)

Rack'n'Ruination?

Speculating that Ruination (FOC) might be named in honor of Rack'n'Ruin, who is/are also the combined form of multiple Wreckers.

Also observing that both Ruination (FOC) and Ruination (RID) share molds with G2 Bruticusses (Brutici? Brutices?) and wear modified Autobot insignia, but that's probably just a coincidence. i'm good at finding those.

--Rhymus (talk) 07:36, 1 February 2014 (EST)

I'm preeeeetty sure the Bruticus redeco called Ruination is named in honour of the Bruticus redeco called Ruination, not two guys not called Ruination who got sewn together. As the article notes, the FOC limb bots' colours even match up to their RID counterparts. Jalaguy (talk) 08:25, 1 February 2014 (EST)

i meant in addition to that. Sometimes a TF is an homage to multiple predecessors, like Smokescreen (Cybertron) homages G1 Smokescreen and G1 Rad, Hot Shot (Animated) homages Unicron Trilogy Hot Shot and RID Hot Shot, and Dirge (SG) is 6 homages in 1 panel. As for matching/mismatched names: Breakaway (Movie) is an homage to G1 Getaway, Runamuck (Cybertron) is an homage to G1 Runabout, and Fracture (Movie) is Tonka GoBots Crasher. --Rhymus (talk) 03:15, 4 February 2014 (EST)

No. --ItsWalky (talk) 03:17, 4 February 2014 (EST)

Seventh Wrecker?

I noticed that Ruination's page states that he is formed out of seven Wreckers. So Impactor, Roadbuster, Twin Twist, Topspin, Whirl, and Fisitron make six, so who would the seventh be? Nickster563 (talk) 03:58, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

"Several", not seven. Escargon (talk) 05:58, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

I'm not even gonna lie i seriously thought several meant seven until this moment, thx for the clarification and sorry about that XD Nickster563 (talk) 15:19, 18 April 2020 (EDT)