Talk:Ryan O'Brien

What's this guy from exactly? The novel trilogy, the anthology book?--MCRG 04:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The storylink is for Hardwired, the first book in the Keepers Trilogy. It doesn't have an article.

(Oops, actually it for 'Harwired,' fixing.)

I didn't want to just link him to the keepers Trilogy because, well... he's in one chapter of book 1. Someone (preferably not me) should go back and add multi-part formatting with stubs for this thing. (I never figured out how those cute grids worked...)-Derik 06:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I recall Ben Yee expressing some disatisfaction at Prowl saying 'Revenge is a bitch', or something nonsensically BAD ASSSSS like that. --FFN 06:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I heard the entire series was like that. The cop having mad sex with his girlfriend to the horny whistling of puffins and Starscream establishes that. If that was this article. Whatever. HARD CORE.--MCRG 06:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Reading the info in the article, this is just very bad writing - why create and set up a character who could have some major role in the storyline... only to kill him for a "Humans dying in TF is HARDCORE!" nerd factor and cheap laughs? This is like bad fanfiction. --FFN 07:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Ehh, he's probably the single most prominent hi-then-bye int he book, he's POV for his entire chapter. They needed SOMEONE to follow while they explored the changes going on in LV, and except for Spike, all the other main humans were offworld. He is what he is- and in fairness this writeup makes the whole affair sound somewhat stupider than it actually was.

The keepers Trilogy was an awful mess- when Cian wook over he completely dumped three of the main mystery threads in book 1- never establishing who Hugo Fortuna was working for, who created the franken-TF that attacked them (and then was never seen again) or where Grimlock's private army came from. The first two probably lead to the same source- (anti-followers?) and it makes perfect sense, given what DW did later, to say Grimlock's Private Army was the EDC... but I doubt that's what was intended.

Parts of it were quite interesting... but most of it was drek. -Derik 08:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that's what consumers said too.--MCRG 07:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hugo Fortuna? Who the hell is that? No entry on him.--MCRG 09:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm leaving him for one of the last, since he's so dicey (sicne the books never got aroudn to explaining his Deal.)

He's a naval captain that saw (or claims he saw) evidence of Keeper activity deep on the ocean floor. He later tried to kill Spike- and we're left awkwardly unclear on whether he actually DID see what he claimed or not. (I think he was tellignt he truth, just because I cant' think of any scenario where Hugo Fortuna would be in league with Darren Norbert, who doesnt' seem to be involved in Fortuna's graverobbing business anyway.)

Except- the EDC pulled this out of Fortuna's basement-- which lacked any opening large enough to have gotten it into the basement, which seems to imply it was teleported in. (Using keeper teleport tech.)

Of course, Keeper teleport tech doesn't seem to WORK in that sort of precision way- it's vaguely possible Hugo and the frankensteainers might be remnants of General Hallo's group (who were apparently secretly working for Shockwave, though that was never explained either... and that's nto in the Keepers Trilogy either, so now we're lookign OUTSIDE of the trilogy to explain its own events.) We're left with the bizare confluence that Foruna is involved with the frankensteiners, claimed to have seen the keepers, and has access to teleport technology. The Keepers seem to have no connection to the Frankensteiners though, so why did Fortuna know both? It's possible he was lying just o yank the autobots chains-- he hates Transformers, but why would someoen with a combiner skull in his basement (including parts of Transformer technology more advanced and different than anything Spike had ever seen that may have been BW-era wreckage but probably weren't) draw attention to himself that way?

The problem is simply this; the plot was kept dark, and mysterious and hinted at lots of stuff- and then was abruptly dropped and never properly explained-- plus we later learned that all 3 of the people in Fortuna's house aside from Spike were lying.

This is why Fortuna is going last, once I actually sift through carefully enough to make Franklin Townsend's entry, and figure out what he was lying about and what he was actually doing at Fortuna's house int he first place- I can (hopefully) figure otu what Fortuna was up to by proscess of elimination.

Wait! Townsend was CIA who'd detached himself to work for the NSA, while secretly on the payroll of Allister Greaves, but he was actually working for the Keepers the whole time! So if he led Spike to Townsend, Townsend (and the frankensteiners) must not have been in league with the Keepers! ...unless Townsend was running down the Keepers other agents to keep Greaves occupied and draw Spike's repressed memories out with a series of near-death encounters!

...except, the Keepers had no interest in Spike's repressed memories, that was Greaves. of course- Townsend working for the Keepers appears to have been a plot-patch used by Cian to tie up as many loose ends as possible into a semi-neat bundle, and as originally written, he probably was just working for Greaves so... *eyes cross* -Derik 09:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)