Talk:Sacred treasure

I notice the Omega Lock and Cyber Planet Keys haven't been mentioned, as sacred implements or even "potential" ones. However, while it may not be mentioned in WOTF (I gather) it's got a great deal in common with them. It's the life-force of Primus like the Creation Matrix, it was used for cyberforming, can grant upgrades or restore critically damaged bots... we've not seen it turn inanimate machines into living ones, but that's about the only thing it hasn't done that the items on this list can do. When the lock and keys are all together, what you get is the AllSpark under a different name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.245.91.183 (talk • contribs){{#if:22:25, 15 August 2010 (EDT)| 22:25, 15 August 2010 (EDT)|}}.

I'd say you are right that they could be counted as potential implements. - Starfield 23:57, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

About the Matrix Flame, the "Sacred implement" thing is Japanese, right? I would expect something from UK Marvel comics to be included. - Starfield 23:57, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

Move

"God Item" sounds stupid. Also, can you please post that you're putting up move proposals on the Talk page so people who don't check every non-discussion-related edit to pages might catch them? -LV 13:21, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

For what it's worth, Google translate renders it as "sacred treasures". --Khajidha 13:37, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

It's used to refer to the Imperial Regalia of Japan, which is where the "sacred treasures" thing comes from. The kanji themselves literally mean "god" and "device/vessel". This term is not used anywhere other than a now-deleted website, so I see little issue with sticking with its official (if subjectively stupid-sounding) translation in place of a contrived term Derik came up with. —Interrobang 14:20, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

...I came up with "God Item?" Was I drunk at the time? That's terrible! -Derik 02:54, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Artifacts of the Primes

So should all the sacred artifacts of the Primes introduced in Exiles go here or on a seperate page? --76.28.76.206 07:25, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Unless it's been specifically identified as a sacred implement/god item, it shouldn't be here. —Interrobang 07:31, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

So how do we define that, is what I'm asking? Something specifically made by Primus, Unicron, or the Chronachitect? What about the Star Saber where the Matrix is a part of it, but not what it's really about? Should we have an Artifacts of the Primes page for all their ancient magical weapons and icons then?--76.28.76.206 07:34, 12 October 2011 (EDT).

Seems like the better bet. The sacred implements aren't just ancient mystical geegaws, they're for creating life. - Chris McFeely 07:58, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

IIRC in Exiles the text seems to suggest (interrupting OP's train of thought just before he can get there) that the Star Saber fragments are the source of life on Velocitron. Which would put it in the range of function for Sacred Implements.

(I still think we should have a 'possible sacred implements' section, but I acknowledge that it would instantly be loaded down with every mystical gewgaw ever.) ...the Cyber Planet Keys totally count though.  ;) -Derik 11:10, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

You havn't finished Exiles yet. It wont spoil you much just to say "Prime is wrong." --76.28.76.206 11:36, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Oh good! I haven't been able to stop hearing the Prime cast as I read it and Peter Cullen's listless readings make me want to punch him in the voice. -Derik 12:29, 12 October 2011 (EDT)