Talk:Shadow Striker (G1)

Now that Legacy Shadow Striker is revealed officially, I am going to suggest a merge between this and the other Primax Shadow Striker, since the idea that the two Shadow Strikers are incompatible is clearly false. --ItsWalky (talk) 18:54, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

I don't like it, since Cyberverse Shadow Striker was never intended to be based on BotCon Shadow Striker, but, well, that ship's sailed. Reluctantly in favour. --Riptide (talk) 19:02, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

Food for thought: while a Gens toy is obviously more prominent than a Fun Pub prose story illustration, we had a similar thing of Prime-import G1 Knock Out being drawn one time with a body based on Micromaster G1 Knockout, but we've thus far kept them separate. Jalaguy (talk) 19:09, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

There's also nothing to suggest they're the same person either. Literally the only thing that would come close to suggesting they could be is the fact that Roulette shows up in the comic... with absolutely no indication of her relationship with Shadow Striker. For all we know, there could be two or more Shadow Strikers running around at any given time. Otherwise, she's pretty obviously a straightforward Cyberverse transplant, and there's even less evidence there to support this merge. cat (talk) 19:18, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

I think this is a pretty shut and dry case where we should merge. "Intent" doesn't hold much weight as an argument point, and as for OMAM Knock Out, I think the fact that this is more prominent (and let's be real, the fact that G1 versions of Prime Knock Out has done way more than G1 versions of Cyberverse Shadow Striker) does hold more weight for pushing this together. As for the Roulette thing, there was that cancelled Heavy Metal game which had a version of Roulette that shared that games Cyberverse-inspired Shadow Striker's body-type. Escargon (talk) 19:24, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

Counterpoint: "intent" is also kind of the main thrust of the merge proposal, since it's rooted in "Hasbro thinks of the Shadow Strikers as being the same". --Riptide (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

Well that's the main problem I have right there; more and more lately there's been pushes to make Hasbro's newer decisions supplant "original intent" (see: the site using Diaclone art for Burn Out and Lift Ticket because it was argued that those are the versions that Hasbro are gonna base future toys on despite them literally never being depicted with those bodies anywhere in Transformers fiction). If we're gonna do that, it should be done consistently, we can't waffle from case to case. Escargon (talk) 19:40, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

I mean, I'm not against the merge in any way, it makes decent organizational sense for us. But I am gonna say I do not like the notion that we should be doing organizational things because of "what Hasbro thinks now". It only takes like one small personnel/licensee change to change "Hasbro's" current thinking on any given subject. That's always gonna be in flux (see: "transwarp" is back), and we can only care so much about what "Hasbro" "thinks" at any given moment. --M Sipher (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

For the record I 100% agree. Escargon (talk) 19:58, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

I'm not really convinced that we should be shifting pages around just because Hasbro didn't want to make an entirely unique mold for Cyberverse Shadow Striker, because that's ultimately what their main consideration was. Do we backtrack if they end up releasing a Universe version? Saix (talk) 20:20, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

No, because -and Walky can correct me if I'm wrong- the issue is more "we should have been doing this in the first place even before this toy existed because it makes better organizational sense for our purposes, this toy just further cements that position". --M Sipher (talk) 20:27, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

(sipher is absolutely correct about my thoughts -- i always thought they should share the same page, but i left it alone because, like, whatever, but this toy strengthens my original convictions) --ItsWalky (talk) 21:33, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

Frankly if that's the position we're coming from I don't find the argument particularly convincing. Like, no, they're not "incompatible", but at the same time the characters don't really have anything in common beyond "girl Decepticon car"; this one is a no-nonsense Decepticon lieutenant, the Universe one is a career criminal defined by her relationship with her sister. (To be clear, my gut does still say they should be merged — just on a reasoning level I don't think they should have been together to begin with.) --Riptide (talk) 20:43, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

I agree with riptide. Just keep them separate for now.Poliwag06 (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

This is pretty old, but I suggest a way for us to know if the two should be merged. If Hasbro releases an OFTCC deco Shadowstriker in Legacy with a different name, they should be separate. If her name is the same however, we should wait further to see what Hasbro’s press release and product information describe the toy as (They’ve been very influential, Bug Bite can attest). Probably unlikely, but I wouldn’t be shocked if this is another Earthrise Barricade/ Runner situation. Brickmaster57 (talk) 13:43, 14 October 2023 (EDT)