Talk:Taco Bell

At the risk of being pedantic, normally we only cover elements in Renegade Rhetoric that also exist in other Transformers fiction, based on the stated position that Renegade Rhetoric is not, in fact, Transformers fiction. Are we changing that policy? I am aware that the latest set of stories has been mostly Transformers focused, I just wasn't sure how we were going to handle that. --Giggidy (talk) 09:17, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

Didn't Glen Whitman offhandedly mention Taco Bell in the first Transformers movie? But yeah, I personally think these kind of articles are completely and utterly asinine. They serve no informative purpose. Do we REALLY have to create an article for every motherfucking proper noun that is ever uttered in a piece of TF fiction? Jesus. --DrSpengler (talk) 10:21, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

Well I thought it would funny to have an article about Taco Bell. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 10:31, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

Yes. Ignore them if it bothers you that much. Saix (talk) 10:36, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

DrSpengler's point about the movie mention is a good one. But just for clarification, are we now taking Renegade Rhetoric to be Transformers fiction? It makes sense to me to do so, because Wheeljack, Prowl, and the other 84/85 Autobot car Spy Changers vs. Megatron, Soundwave, and other G2 Go-Bots Decepticons seems like a cut and dried case. But people have gotten weird about the Facebook stuff before. --Giggidy (talk) 11:35, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

@DrSpengler: Yes, because the wiki's always been like that, because it's funny.

@Giggidy: It seems fairly clear that there are three "parts" to Renegade Rhetoric - part 1, hosted on Ask Vector Prime and about Cy-Kill and the GoBots (not "Transformers enough"); part 2, hosted on Renegade Rhetoric and about Cy-Kill and the GoBots (not "Transformers enough"); and part 3, hosted on Renegade Rhetoric and about Wheeljack and the Spy Changers ("Transformers enough"). Just like the Ask Vector Prime page didn't "count" when it was about GoBots, Renegade Rhetoric "counts" now that it's not about GoBots. --Riptide (talk) 12:34, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

Interesting. So, in effect, Renegade Rhetoric gets treated just like all other Transformers Facebook pages then. The "Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric isn't Transformers fiction" rule goes away, superseded by the "no exclusively GoBots Facebook material write-ups" rule. It's ok to write up new (non-GoBots) characters or places that interact with guys like Wheeljack. That makes good sense. --Giggidy (talk) 16:25, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

Oh, for goodness' sake. The Wheeljack-hosted Renegade Rhetoric is effectively a new feature hosted on the same page, just like the Cy-Kill-hosted Ask Vector Prime was. You are being willfully obtuse now. --Riptide (talk) 16:37, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

^What Riptide said. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 16:55, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

How am I being obtuse? I thought we were on the same page. Renegade Rhetoric is treated exactly like all other Facebook fiction, correct? If it's Wheeljack interacting with someone or something new, it gets a page, right? If it's Cy-Kill, then it doesn't. Am I missing something here? --Giggidy (talk) 17:05, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

I... apologise, I thought that you were being sarcastic. I disagree with the assessment that the "it's not Transformers fiction" rule goes away, though; I guess a clearer version would be "The Renegade Rhetoric pages hosted by Cy-Kill and focusing primarily on GoBots characters and events should not (or should only partially) be treated as Transformers fiction, and GoBots references from linked Facebook pages should be treated as an extension of this". --Riptide (talk) 17:14, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

I think you're fundamentally misunderstanding the existing rules. The current main rule (see discussion here: Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/GoBots#Sick_Of_Arguing_About_GoBots_II) is that we don't cover Facebook Transformers fiction because we don't like it / it cause arguments. Not that it's not Transformers fiction. Even Walky, M Sipher, and Chris McFeely agreed that Echoes and Fragments was Transformers fiction, meaning a new rule was debated and decided. Renegade Rhetoric was a special case that was debated and decided before that rule, and was especially singled out as not Transformers fiction. If that rule remains in place, then Taco Bell shouldn't exist, nor should anyone that Wheeljack and company meet if they don't have an existing article. But it's actually not necessary to make a special exception for Renegade Rhetoric when the generalized rule of not covering GoBots in Facebook fiction covers it quite well. --Giggidy (talk) 17:44, 17 May 2016 (EDT)

No? We cover the TF portions just fine. You know very well exactly what's banned, so please stop wasting our time. Saix (talk) 12:27, 18 May 2016 (EDT)

Yes, I think I do know what's intended to be banned. And I'm trying to state that in as simple and unambiguous a way as possible, without any extraneous elements. We don't cover uniquely GoBots ideas that are only present in Facebook fiction. Right? --Giggidy (talk) 12:50, 18 May 2016 (EDT)

Yes. (Which is pretty irrelevant here because Taco Bell was mentioned in the 2007 movie anyway.) Any questions? Saix (talk) 14:18, 18 May 2016 (EDT)

No, we're on the same page. Even if the Taco Bell movie reference didn't exist, it'd get a page, under the revised paradigm. --Giggidy (talk) 14:25, 18 May 2016 (EDT)

Regardless: please, consider avoiding asking for clarifications et cetera about GoBots policy. It will just cause more arguments and annoyance for everyone involved, and it's clear enough as it is. --Riptide (talk) 17:12, 18 May 2016 (EDT)

That's exactly why I didn't make the Taco Bell article myself. Seeing Agent of Shield make it made me think I wasn't the only one who had come to the same conclusion about what this new version of Renegade Rhetoric implied. But I still think it's important to have the rules codified. But, as far as GoBots-related discussions go, this one is fairly mild.--Giggidy (talk) 19:07, 18 May 2016 (EDT)