Talk:The Transformers: All Hail Megatron

Bludgeon

On the AHM #15 thread on the IDW boards, Denton stated that Last Stand of the Wreckers will delve into what went down on Garrus-9 and why Bludgeon is present in Coda. Could someone update the article to represent that?

And ultimately it didn't. How many unresolved story points are there now, that IDW promised to resolve, and then forgot about them in hope that we will too?

Evolutions?

Since this is yet another "Elseworld" for Transformers, is this series considered under the Evolutions umbrella?--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Not an AU. It's part of the main timeline. Basically, Autobots buggered off,and the cons have the run of the place. Far as I know, only bots on Earth are the Dinos, Hot Rod and Sunstreaker

Takes place a year later. In reality it WAS written as an Elseworld-style alternate universe storyline, but was vaugley reworked to fit into the current storyline. Judging by the interview with the writer, the decision seemed to be made soley for the purposes of marketing - IDW were evidently worried about turning off new readers with the serialised nature of Furman's storyline, so they essentially put that on the backburner and started a new storyline, that's why the writer remarked that you can just jump into the storyline without prior knowledge of the previous books because, hey, they weren't written with them in mind anyway. --FFN 13:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh fark

What the heck happened? --FFN 01:32, 19 March 2009 (EDT)

What's up with the copy protection on this page? Do you have to be an admin or something to edit it now? Rod-E-Mace 19:50, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

It got hit by some angry fans a few days back, so unregistered users are restricted from editing it. It also restricts editing from very new editors. --ItsWalky 19:58, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Ironhide

I don't think the listed "glitches" with Ironhide from AHM #13 are glitches.

• (1) Ironhide willing to die for Prime when they met, AHM #4, versus an initially antagonist relationship, AHM #13. There's no contradiction here. Ironhide's a good soldier, willing to die for a commanding officer, even if he doesn't agree with him. That flows perfectly with his character. His line from AHM #4, "I would have died for him, Jazz, even back then.", suggests this. One way of reading it, of course, is they had a bromance from the beginning. But another way is that Ironhide would've died for him even when they were butting heads. It shouldn't be called a glitch or an error just because there's one way to interpret it that makes things contradict.
• (2) There's no indication Optimus and Ironhide actually knew each other in Spotlight: Blurr. Ironhide vanished before Optimus appeared on panel. There was no interaction between them at all. All soldiers don't know each other personally, even if they happen to be at the same battle. When Optimus and Blurr converse over the dead Autobot, Piston, Optimus mentions having "met him once...briefly." This indicates they were not in the same "platoon" or close group and, by extension, all Autobots present at that battle were not in the same close group. Spotlight: Blurr only shows Ironhide and Optimus crossed paths briefly before the AHM #13 flashback -- the show Lost has mega-history of similar "crossed paths" that aren't actual meetings.
• (3) AHM #8 says nothing about Ironhide being ignored by other Autobots. It said he passed up promotions to stay in the thick of things. That in no way contradicts the idea that Optimus Prime listens to him. --Xaaron 21:13, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

I agree with Xaaron. Trying to make up more inconsistencies just makes the page look more petty than it has to be. --ItsWalky 21:44, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Well at least now he's arguing beyond "they weren't in the exact same panel in Spotlight Blurr so they couldn't have known each other" as grounds to remove the whole thing. But yeah, his additional arguments make sense. --Detour 21:47, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Sue me. It's hard to make a complete argument on an editing blurb. :-) --Xaaron 21:58, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

Ironhide, Optimus and Spotlight Blurr

So Xaaron is saying that Prime and Ironhide weren't even together in Spotlight: Blurr.

While it's true they weren't present on the same panel, they were part of the same squad and indeed in the exact same place, at the same time, together, so saying they weren't together at that time is like saying Kyle Reese and the Terminator weren't actually fighting each other in the bar because Michael Biehn and Arnold Schwarzenegger weren't together on-screen in any shots of the bar scene.

Let's look at how it goes down: Ironhide takes Blurr to cover. In the same building are two corpses. As Ironhide stays next to Blurr, there are two corpses next to them, who happen to be Piston and Fasttrack. In fact, Prime's voice is heard just as Blurr looks at Piston's corpse, which is one whole panel after Ironhide was next to Blurr. And then Blurr and Prime begin discussing. I'm sorry, but saying that Prime and Ironhide didn't know each other because they didn't share a panel is bullcrap. --Detour 21:14, 14 March 2010 (EDT)

That doesn't mean they didn't actually know each other. There are people in my department at work that I know by reputation, but wouldn't know face-to-face, and there are people I've seen around, but don't actually know anything about. Especially in what appears to be the haphazard early days of the war, it's entirely feasible two guys from two different units who've never really met could be fighting in the same area without really being aware of each other beyond "that guy over there." -hx 12:26, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

Coda

• The way Sunstreaker was treated in AHM #14 isn't any different from how Circuit Breaker treated "the machines" back in the old Marvel Comics. The Machination are just being cold and callous towards a lifeform too different from themselves for them to feel any empathy towards "it". They aren't denying Sunstreaker is alive at any point in the dialogue...they just don't care. As for the "It spoke!" scene, the Machination agent is likely just surprised Sunstreaker can speak in his current condition, not that he can speak at all.

• In AHM #16, The Man of Steel takes place over a year after AHM #12. Spike's men were depicted operating with "ray guns" as Manhattan was nearly rebuilt. Hidden, on the other hand, seems to take place very soon after AHM #12, with people still in hiding and the fires of devastation still burning. The absence of ray guns is because the Shockwave Weapon hasn't been mass-produced yet. The two stories take place at two different points in the timeline, which explains any apparent "discrepancies". --Xaaron 17:53, 4 April 2010 (EDT)

One year?

Forgive me if this is the wrong place to bring it up. According to Andy Shmoot, AHM took place over the course of over a year. That seems like a lot of time for the Decepticons to basically vandalize the United States and (maybe, depending on the issue,) some of China and the Middle East. It seems hard to swallow that they would have spent so much time on Earth and left Europe untouched, Megatron's plans aside. And this raises even more questions concerning the Autobots' ark. Does this seem worth adding to the notes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JazZeke (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Sounds notable to bring up, and it definitely didn't seem like a year, but I wouldn't put it in the errors section. After all, it certainly explains why Starscream was so keen to lead a rebellion- a year is a long time to sit around doing nothing. It also allows plenty of time for the Decepticons not seen during the main series that we know were there (Stunticons, Axer, Swindle, etc.) to have shown up. IMO, it makes stuff make more sense (the Europe thing IS a bit odd, though).Ratbatman 19:58, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

Reprints

The second printing of volume 2 just came out, and since the Amazon price of volume 1 just went way down, I'm assuming its second printing just came out as well. Any plans to reprint Coda anytime soon? --Zormo 15:16, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

None that I've heard of.

Thank God. ---Blackout- 15:27, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

Coda's not that bad. Should have gone with the title "Aftermath," and dropping the name AHM, but Coda's good stories are enough to outweigh its bad ones.--75.33.218.27 17:12, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

Stories plural? Aside from the one Nick Roche wrote I haven't found any "good" stories in Coda. --Detour 17:17, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

That whole issue was good. 16 served its purpose, as the book was just a bridge to the Ongoing. 13 was okay, aside from the art. And 14 was just confusing. --75.33.218.27 17:34, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

Indent your posts properly please.

Anyway, I agree with Detour. The only good part of Coda was the thing that explained why Kup was up and about, since it fixed a major plothole while not continuing the (not-so) proud tradition of AHM introducing other major plotholes. ---Blackout- 13:13, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

Body height

How tall are the characters in All Hail Megatron? They are certainly a lot taller than in g1, they look freaking HUGE! Humans only reach up to Skywarp's ankles! --193.170.48.178 07:23, 8 December 2010 (EST)

That was a constant in IDW even before AHM. A choice to make them seem even mightier and scarier to the human supporting cast, I would suppose. --Detour 13:38, 8 December 2010 (EST)

Spreads

I did a count. The twelve issues of All Hail Megatron have thirteen one-page spreads and two double-page spreads. Issue Three alone had three spreads! (Now wonder I hate spreads now.) I think this is information worthy of the Items of Note - it certainly verifies many peoples' feelings about the series being too bloated and drawn out. -JazZeke (forgot to sign in)

Collections (someone with rights please add)

• The Transformers: The IDW Collection Volume Five (December 14, 2011) ISBN 978-1613770528

About discrepancies: the Matrix

"The Matrix of Leadership was promptly retconned in as a key factor in IDW's history, despite not appearing in the story depicting the war's origin" Is it really an issue? Even without accounting "Chaos Theory", The notion of the Matrrix had already been introduced, especially during Optimus's fight against Nemesis's Prime. The Matrix already existed and was directly connected to the Prime Lineage, before All Hail Megatron. More over, in the All Hail Megatron comics, the take over of the Matrix by Megatron is featured as a symbolical victory move more than anything and the autobot also react as if it is main and foremost a symbolic loss more than anything else. I don't see how any of this contradict the previousmention of the Matrix in the IDW comics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GUIGUI (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

The discrepancy isn't its sudden introduction (hell, the G1 cartoon was just as guilty of that), it's that Kup was all "this whole war started over the Matrix and what it represented", when IDW had previously put out Megatron Origin, in which the Matrix had had exactly nothing to do with the war starting. Jalaguy 13:55, 16 August 2013 (EDT)

Complete All Hail Megatron HC: chapter order?

How are the chapter ordered in that collection? #1-16+spotlight, or does it follow the original for tpb publishing order of #1-12+spotlight+#13-16?--GUIGUI (talk) 18:31, 23 March 2014 (EDT)

Old Discrepancies List

I was trying to explain to a friend why this series was so terrible, and I remembered a really nice point-by-point list of all the things this series screwed up on. So I came here to find it gone and replaced with two or three vague paragraphs. What the frick gives? Bjj8383 (talk) 20:17, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

Put responses at the bottom. It was done so the article was less whiny. Escargon (talk) 20:33, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

Everything of import that was in that list is in those paragraphs. The article was a bloated, point-for-point bitchfest that needed put into context. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:39, 23 July 2014 (EDT)

Positive points

In view of trying to find the good in everything, I wanted to add in some positives that came out of AHM. Things like Thundercracker having a personality for the first time in 25 years started here. And, er, I'm sure there's more. I don't know if that's the sort of thing that should get its own section or if it should just be put under notes. I'm also gthinking of adding a "Consequences" , the same as Dark Cybertron has. LiamK (talk) 18:20, 6 April 2016 (EDT)

I agree on "positive points," yeah, but I wouldn't add the "consequences" story - all that is is just saying what the story did. Dark Cybertron is a short-term "event" designed to turn the story on its head; AHM was just the story for a year. - Chris McFeely (talk) 18:30, 6 April 2016 (EDT)

Fair enough. Er, are there any unambiguously good points apart from Thundercracker? I've not re-read this since it came out and I don't actually own it, so I don't want to put my possibly-false impressions out there as facts. LiamK (talk) 16:09, 12 April 2016 (EDT)