Talk:Titan (group)

Merged discussion from "Talk:City-bot"

What about Black Zarak, Gigastorm, Grandus, and Dai Atlas? Do any of them form cities, or are they "battle stations" like Overlord? --Thylacine 2000 13:44, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

Gigastorm was tiny, in-fiction. Don't know for the others. -Derik 15:01, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

I think Black Zarak was more or less the same as Scorponok/MegaZarak on battle station mode (oy, keeping track and separating Japanese/English names is like remember X vs O on the PSs). Dai Atlas, IIRC, seemed kinda more like Gigastorm, but not exactly battle station... *scratches head* --Lonegamer78 15:49, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

I recall BZ was canonically smaller than Scorponok, so it would never have formed anything larger than a base station. Dai Atlas was definitely a base station, not a city. Grandus was huge, but more skyscraper huge than city huge. He formed a mobile base/giant cabinet, but not a city.--Apcog 16:05, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

82.31.42.203 11:56, 15 May 2009 (EDT) Guess it depends if the category is applied as toy-based or fiction-based, though the size of city-bots in fiction seems too variant to be used as a basis (e.g. comics Scorponok is far smaller than cartoon Scorponok, and Trypticon is city-size in Five Faces of Darkness but not in the first Headmasters episode when he chases Wheelie across a bridge).

Why is Black Zarak "canonically smaller than Scorponok"? The toy is exactly the same size (repaint/slight remold) and appears the same size as Grand Maximus in Masterforce. I'm not sure if he ever turns into his city mode in fiction.

Gigastorm in toy form is a retool of Trypticon, hence should be a city-bot.

Grandus... well, LOOKS like an incarnation of the Metroplex - Fortress Maximus idea, and is certainly bigger as a toy relative to Micromasters than Metroplex relative to Scramble City combiners. Remember that the likes of Ironworks are taken to be single buildings relative to Micromasters, which would make Grandus city-size by comparison.

Would there also be a case for Power Master Optimus Prime/God Ginrai being considered a city-bot? His base mode looks somewhat like Metroplex, he is shown in-scale with Black Zarak and Grand Maximus in the cartoon, and the opening sequence shows the trainbots in train mode coming out of a small opening in his city-mode.

Dai-Atlas... doesn't look like a city-bot to me, more of a battle-station. There's a good number of G1 battle-stations which aren't cities, especially in the Micromaster range (Countdown, Skystalker, Groundshaker, etc). Does anyone have a definition on what constitutes the difference between a city-bot and a battle-station? If I was formulating a standard I'd say that city-bots have large bulky bodies which one can imagine other characters going inside (even if it's not physically possible), whereas battle stations have mostly flat platforms and maybe a (gun) tower.

Question on origin and official usage

Is City-Bot ever used in an official capacity, or is it simply a fan-term? 207.181.17.24 18:41, 16 November 2009 (EST)

It is unofficial. It is in the "nameless things" category, but that is hard to miss. - Starfield 19:02, 16 November 2009 (EST)

Move

Since this is an unofficial name, would anyone be opposed to move this to "Cityformer" or "City Transformer" a la the category (any preferences?)? "-bot" in G1 is pretty strongly tied to Autobot alliance, and since about half the cityformers aren't Autobots, "city-bot" doesn't appear that good a name to me. Geewunling 06:18, 22 September 2012 (EDT)

Operation Combination

Can Operation Combination's Metrobase be considered a Metrotitan? Hida Atarasi 21:09, 23 September 2012 (EDT)

Possible rename to "Metrotitan (group)"?

Given how vastly different Chela - and possibly some other - Metrotitans appear, would it be more prudent to change the parenthetical to (group) or something like that? Just a thought. Magaroja (talk) 07:31, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

That would make sense to me... ZeroSD (talk) 03:37, 28 September 2015 (EDT)

Continuity-neutral opening

If the lead section is going to be continuity-neutral, then I feel that Fortress Maximus and Trypticon don't belong because they are only Titans in one or two continuities. Or on the other hand, if it's going to say "known Titans include", then shouldn't all Titans, including the IDW colony Titans, go in the list? Also, the IDW continuity section's chronological order is a bit wonky since Zac's "overhaul". S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm not sure why Fort Max and Trypticon stay up there but the colony Titans don't. At this stage, though, it might be more prudent to just not have a list at all... though that does raise the question of what happens to Dead Devisiun Titan, who probably doesn't deserve a page but bears mentioning somewhere... Grum (talk) 15:29, 6 July 2017 (EDT)

Metrotype

With the Legends Metroflex comic, do we consider "Metrotype" the Japanese term for this or its separate thing consisting solely of Metroplex's body type? Saix (talk) 22:34, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Citybots in general

I think Hasbro's usage of this term has been fairly plain in recent years, particularly in the "Titans Return" cartoon, but today's Star Trek vs. Transformers casual use has at last prompted me to suggest, is it not just time we accepted that "Titan" is now just the on-brand name for "cityformers" in general, not something unique and special, and just merged the articles? - Chris McFeely (talk) 11:40, 14 November 2018 (EST)

I am inclined to agree; Hasbro’s intent is pretty clear at this point. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 13:20, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Seconded. TimeLord11 (talk) 18:03, 14 November 2018 (EST)

Page move

Wouldn't it have been better to move Titan (IDW) here and then update it instead of turning it into a redirect and killing the edit history? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 19:43, 7 January 2019 (EST)

Yeah, that would have made much more sense. Honestly, at this stage, there's still time to just copy over everything from this page to Titan (IDW), speedy-delete this page, then perform a proper move. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:54, 7 January 2019 (EST)

In the interest of moving things along, I've done exactly that and moved everything off this page onto Titan (IDW). Now as soon as someone deletes the page, we can finish things off properly. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 20:12, 7 January 2019 (EST)