Talk:Transformer romance

Romances

Should the romance section possibly be moved from here to its own article? It seems to be quite a bit large for a subsection of this one, and could reasonably be expanded upon. Some material from Reproduction might be relevant to such a new article as well. Khajidha 13:03, 26 December 2009 (EST)

That might not be a bad idea... considering we have articles for stuff like relatives, reproduction, "sexuality" in the Humanization article, and robot/squishie romances, it seems like an odd omission to not really have a dedicated robot/robot romance article. Or rather, currently all of our robot/robot romance stuff is kind of scattered around in various places of said other articles. --Jeysie 14:47, 26 December 2009 (EST)

Actually, I have been wanting to write a "Romance" (because "Sexuality" is only a bit less correct term) article for quite some time, merging this article's Romance section, Robot-Fleshling romance and a bit from the Humanization article's Sexuality section into one (and adding a much-needed list of those cases in which a Transformer's interest didn't go to something alive). However, thus far I have not found the time to get to it. Would greatly appreciate to see someone else make a start. Geewunling 14:48, 26 December 2009 (EST)

P.S., you know, if no one else does it within twelve hours, I will kick myself to finally do it. Geewunling 15:04, 26 December 2009 (EST)

Done. Feel free to give advice in it's talk page 'cos it's not that great. --Ninjabot33 17:55, 13 January 2010 (EST)

You may want to join forces with Geewunling: "User:Geewunling/Romance-Sandbox" --Jeysie 18:03, 13 January 2010 (EST)

Organization

I've always thought that the Examples lists need some serious sorting; probably by Continuity, then alphabetically. The usage of storylinks seems kind of random too, in terms of whether they're used or not. --Jeysie 17:35, 27 December 2009 (EST)

I agree the lists ain't pretty looking as is. Sorting them by continuity is a good idea, as is alphabetically. However, the Transformer/Transformer list can't be done alphabetically because of the involvement of two Transformers who both can influence the placement. I could arrange it real-life chronically, but that puts forth the question if for consistency I shouldn't all arrange them like that.

The storylinks had me in doubt too. On one hand, they might be redundant because the information should be on the character pages linked to anyway. On the other, they are useful in that they help anyone searching for the source finding it. My policy to adding storylinks was if there were one or more continuitioes/continuity parts in which a specific relation happened, and if (arguably) more than one, not to add a storylink. I.E., Arcee's been involved with Hot Rod in about three continuities - no need to source that. On the other hand, Clipper was with Holi only in the Victory cartoon, so she gets a link (even despite her page showing she, in fact, only appeared in the Victory cartoon continuity). However, I am no expert on all parts of Transformers, and some therefore miss a link simply because I don't know what to source it with.

Which also brings me to the point I wish to take a few relations off the list. I remember TFA OP/Ba was at first not on the list because their relation was not necessarily of romantic nature. I am not familiar with the Animated universe enough to judge, so I'd appreciate someone who is giving their opinion. Two other uncertain cases are Armada Starscream/Alexis and BW Tigatron/Snowstalker. Plus, I already removed First One/Cloudburst because the Transformer in there never felt anything for the organic, and I think the perspective of this article should be Transformer attitude towards relations. Geewunling 02:46, 28 December 2009 (EST)

I'd say just pick the TF in each pairing whose name comes first alphabetically and go by that, except in cases like Arcee where the character has more than one significant other. I agree that continuity is likely the main useful sorting criterion, though.

I'd agree on removing TFA OP/BA... they never seemed to have much of a relationship outside of BA kind of flirting with every mech who seemed the least bit interested. Or it could go under a heading of "One-sided attractions", which is where things like Cloudburst and the First One could go. (I'm not sure discounting the squishies entirely makes sense... the one-sided infatuations like Alexis and the First One are sometimes plot points, after all...) --Jeysie 03:03, 28 December 2009 (EST)

Not only cases like Arcee, but also one-sided cases can't always be done to alphabetical standards. Jackpot is the only counting component in his attempts to relations, so Airazor can't logically be made the first name.

Heh, I'm not overly sure about adding that kind of heading as well. Things are already looking pretty busy from my current (not yet saved) continutiy header additions. I'm not sure if it will be for the better to give specific attention to one-sided interest. But upon reevaluation, I think Cloudburst/First One should and can be mentioned in the yet-to-be-written Transformer/organic text.

So to be certain this is correct: There is no romantical note between TFA OP and Ba and Alexis had clear romantic feelings for Starscream rather than friendship?

And then I have two questions I need help/advice on. Firstly, from what I understand from SG Elita-One's page, she snuggles up to anyone with power. While I assume she and Rodimus go specific in Blitzwing Bop, c/should there be added a Thunderblast-ish note about power (perhaps linking to Optimus)? And secondly, I do feel there ought to be some mention about the straight-gay balance in TF, but I don't want it as aggressive as the Robot-Fleshling romance page currently has, yet more explained/prominent than the current Female Transformer page has. I don't know how to incorporate it. Thoughts? Geewunling 03:42, 28 December 2009 (EST)

You know, I honestly have no clue on Elita. On the one hand, her being a Thunderblast type certainly is a valid interpretation that would fit in with her personality and the Autobot culture.

On the other hand, there's really nothing to indicate that she ever liked Optimus, and if she's infatuated with Rodimus then of course she'd fawn over his leadership abilities. (Plus there's something appropriately lateral about Elita having been Roddy's girl instead of Optimus's.)

So... yeah. Dunno on that one. --Jeysie 16:27, 31 January 2010 (EST)

Getting near

And that's about most I can come up with for this article. Aside from the three missing pieces of citation, I'd appreciate some second opinions on what I've been trying to accomplish. Anything I've missed, anything to be better organized or anything that could be removed - whatever before it can properly replace the loose covering the tfwiki currently features. Geewunling 16:11, 31 January 2010 (EST)

Robot-fleshling talk

What about Tigatron and Snowstalker? Snowstalker is a "fleshling," I would say, but the text of the article explicitly targets humans. --ItsWalky 19:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Hrmm...well, the article actually only refers to 'sapient' creatures, which was done on purpose to include sapient non-human aliens like the First One of Femax and Alana, but Snowstalker isn't sapient...I could see her being, um, 'interested' in his tiger mode...but romance requires equal parts from both parties. Anything between Tiggy and Snowy would be a masquerade on his part and confusion on her part. Leave it to you to bring mecha-alien-bestiality into the discussion. *shudder*I should have left the Pandora's box closed... --Autobus Prime 19:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It's more like homosexual-mecha-alien-bestiality-clonecest ;) as Snowstalker was most likely Tigertron's genetic templete, white Tigers are quite rare in captivity, let alone the wild X-BoB58 21:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

First One is human. Cloudburst calls her one in that very issue. Yes, I know. --ItsWalky 21:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Or maybe it's Landmine who does. But anyway. Humans are apparently anybody who looks human, of any size, regardless of whether they're from Earth or not. --ItsWalky 21:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

The female from Pzaz is also human. Or as Dreadwing put it- "Big fir a human." I think the term is beign thrown around like it's root- humanoid. So if it looks Human-y, call it a human. -derik

Well, shit. They're all "robots" to us, far be it from them to distinguish all bilaterally symmetrical, upright walking, speaking-by-means-of-meat-flaps-in-the-neck organic life forms from each other. If a pile of cardboard boxes covered in tin foil and duck-tape, an arm that welds cars together, K-9, and Optimus Prime are all "robots", then I'm pretty sure that anything that remotely resembles us is gonna be "humans" to a robot. -hx 04:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

There's also "The Greater Ape", that unproduced Beast Wars s1 story about Primal losing his memory and falling in love (or whatever) with a female gorilla. But I don't know if that'd go anywhere here. --Monzo 16:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Arcee and Daniel is a romance? Bwuh?? --KilMichaelMcC 02:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

DANIEL WITWICKY

Huhh... it's good to be together again. Arcee, I just wanna say... Arcee, I... I...

ARCEE

You don't have to, Daniel. I feel the same way, too.

Gross. --ItsWalky 02:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't buy the idea that their relationship is romantic in nature at all. It's more of mother/son thing, it's about Arcee being stereotypically characterized as having "maternal instincts." They are not a couple. --KilMichaelMcC 02:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought so too, until that scene. --ItsWalky 02:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I always figured people were making a joke when they pointed to that scene as being icky. Like Kil, I think it's just awkwardly written, and to me, has no romantic subtext at all. Daniel's too young to be interested in "romance" anyway. --Steve-o 04:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

TFTM takes place in 2005, Danial is about 10 years old, 2010 takes place in 2010, there for Danial is 15, so in at least one continuity he is old enough.

I thought you were leaving, X-Bob. --ItsWalky 20:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I was and mabie still am...

I can help enforce it, if you want. It'd be pretty easy. --ItsWalky 20:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Daniel is clearly much younger than 15 during the course of Headmasters. The years the shows are set it may say otherwise, but he is not portrayed in a way consistant with those years. He seems in that series to have not aged at all, or at most a year or two, since the events of the movie. He can't possibly be old enough. Further, the events of the Japanese series are irrelevant ANYWAY because the supposed romance occurs in The Rebirth. --Steve-o 22:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Daniel seems to REGRESS about five years for Headmasters anyway. Good lord. --M Sipher 22:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

We should probably put the source of the pairings in there, maybe in parentheses or something. e.g. Jazz and Marissa Faireborn (Dreamwave G1) - Dark T Zeratul 23:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

So what about Kelly and Side Burn? I know Side Burn was hitting on Kelly's red sports cars, but she always seemed to think he was stalking her. In the last episode they show a little heart around the two of them before the credits and all. That qualify as some kind of human-fleshling romance, even if it's a misunderstanding on part of one of the characters? --DrSpengler 20:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)\\

Dunno. I suppose that stalking is considered romantic in Romantic Comedy Land. (DULL AMUSEMENT) Was there any indication earlier that he was, um, interested in her? If not, I'd say the 'equal interest from both parties' bit mentioned waaaay up there would cut 'em out, waaay out.--Autobus Prime 20:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah, they made it clear in one of the first episodes that Side Burn had no interest in Kelly whatsoever, just her cars. I think the scene went that her car was falling apart, Side Burn was all "NOOOO!" and tried to catch the car, leaving Kelly to fall to her death (she was saved at the last second by Prowl, though).--DrSpengler 21:25, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

In one episode, Sideburn actually says "Hey lady, it's not you I want--it's your car!" --Thylacine 2000 17:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so what about the time Side Burn was all hot for Disguised Red Megatron? -LV 20:04, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Ariel?

Wasn't Ariel a robot, just like Orion Pax? JW 18:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup.--Autobotx1010 17:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Masterforce-esque Pretenders

Hi.

One thing which seems to be missing from the article shown is the issue of what kind of changes the Pretender process as featured in Super-God Masterforce might have on the biomechs who undergo it - not least, when it comes to forming bonds with humans or other sentient organics.

If a biomech is reconstituted into an organic body - such as a human, in the case of Metalhawk and his Pretender team - would the issue not be somewhat different than if they solely remained as biomechs?

Indeed, in the first ep of Masterfore, one of the team (Lander) is in the middle of a date, when he gets a call from Metalhawk, then unceremoniously ditches his partner and rushes off to save the day.

Which would have been better had he not left her in a flash like an idiot, nor rushed into activating his Pretender armour while she could still see him!

Sigh.

But if the Pretender 'shell' in Super-God Masterforce is essentially a cybertronic life form disguised at a sub-atomic level within an organic human body, all of a sudden said life form would have to deal with all sorts of weird and unusual sensations, like having to eat, use a razor, brush one's teeth - or wonder why he suddenly finds one or more of the female (or male?) humans nearby somewhat more interesting than would have been the case prior to becoming a Pretender... --Nerroth 00:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Alice

Would Alice and Sam in ROTF qualify? He didn't know she was a robot or that she was just trying to get his brain, but she did have her tongue down his throat (almost literally). Riddlerj 12:18, 8 July 2009 (EDT)

He thought she was human and she only seduced him to get something from him, not because she liked him. So, no. Geewunling 02:08, 1 February 2010 (EST)

Strika & Obsidian

There seems to be some vehemence about Strika's status (or not) as a female.

While I agree that there is no 'definitive' evidence that Strika is female, neither is there 'definitive' evidence that most TFs are male, yet we have no difficulty accepting that fact. To dismiss the (in my view) quite reasonable assumption that Strika is female as 'fan-conjecture' ignores a number of common-sense factors:

• The fact that in the cartoon she was voiced by female voice actor - there is no instance I can recall of a female TF character being voiced by a male actor or vice versa.

• That she is referred to as Obsidian's consort (rather than associate) is not insignificant. There is a nuance of meaning in the term that implies that they are not merely associates, but their relationship would be more similar to that of husband and wife, or domestic companions. The primary meaning of consort is the spouse of a monarch, which would sit well with Obsidian's perceived status.

On this basis, I think that it is reasonable to assert that Strika is intended to be a female character until there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Perhaps she should be included in this listing, with a disclaimer about lack of formal evidence. To do otherwise would smack of legalistic hair-splitting.

...I wasn't aware this was even in doubt. It'd require a fairly baroque misreading of Beast Machines to make Strika a dude. (BWR might change that.) -Derik 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I was also unaware. How can she not be a girl? Her tech spec calls her a girl. --ItsWalky 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to third this "what the hell?". --M Sipher 04:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

...what do you mean fan-conjecture? He identifies her as his consort. -Derik 06:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consort

Of the SIX DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, several of which are military in nature, only ONE is romantic. And again, there is absolutely fuck-all outside of one word with multiple accurate non-romatic applications to suggest any form of romance between the two. --M Sipher 06:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Really? Huh, I didn't think any of the other definitions actually fit...

1. a husband or wife; spouse, esp. of a reigning monarch. Compare PRINCE CONSORT , QUEEN CONSORT.

2. one ship accompanying another.

3. a. a group of instrumentalists and singers who perform music, esp. old music. b. a group of instruments of the same family, as viols, played in concert.

4. a companion, associate, or partner.

5. accord or agreement.

That leaves us #1 or #4... on reflection, the way Obsidian says it really does fit #4 better. *checks TF ultimate guide*Huh, there it calls her his cohort, which again seems to support Obsidian meant she was his partner, not sexytime toy.

Perhaps there should be a note on the Strika page? -Derik 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Er... perhaps there should be a Strika page? -Derik 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I think I follow something of the "WTF?" I have created - the conjecture is not about Strika's status as a female, but about the nature of the relationship with Obsidian implied from this. Apologies for this misreading.

Having said this, some fundamental points remain - yes, there are 6 definitions of consort, but these are not equal or interchangeable - the most common or accepted usage of the term is almost always the one defined first.

If the creators of Beast Machines had intended a more neutral relationship like associate, partner or companion, they could easily have used those words, and thus have prevented this current debate. However, the fact that they chose to use the word consort does make certain implications far more reasonable. There have been few (if any) female TFs introduced who did not have some manner of romantic or intimate entanglement. Since there is little doubt of Strika's gender, it is reasonable on this basis to assert that Obsidian and Strika were in an interdependent relationship similar to a marriage. Whether this included physical intimacy is neither here nor there, since many marriages can be founded on mutual attachment without intimacy. We can debate the nature of romance until the cows come home, though this wiki is probably not the best forum for this.

So, relationship or not? --Sofaman 12:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

It's been awhile since I watched BM... (I hope to get the DVD set for Christmas) but did Obsidian ever show any affection for Strika? Any sign or romantic involvement aside from calling her his consort? -Derik 13:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Not really. --ItsWalky 15:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit revoke

Why? CKY 06:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Can't answer that question quite as I don't watch TFA, but I've removed that pairing from the list some time ago when behind it came "but it's unclear if their relation is of a romantic level", or something like that. I would guess by that and the reversion that it's currently unclear if they are romantically involved or just friends. Geewunling 07:27, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Suggestion for addition to the romances list

I propose Override - Hot Shot. ZeldaTheSwordsman 12:47, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Despite my jokes to the contrary, I really don't think so. There wasn't any romance between them at all, just notions of competition. --ItsWalky 12:53, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

There's a lot of fan art out there that would show this but since Override was originally male I don't think there would be an intentional relationship between the two. Still I do like this idea.--Ninjabot33 16:58, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Key word. Fan User:Eire 22.15 Nov 25 09 (UTC)

That was my point. My ideas ar often influenced by watching too many tribute or couples videos on youtube. My one suggestion is Arcee - Ratchet but I'm not sure that really had enough in the fiction other than him worrying about her safety. Also if Mega counts as a female transformer then her and Giga. --Ninjabot33 17:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)

We're kind of going for romances that have actually been stated as such or at least strongly hinted at in the fiction. Because trust me, many of the popular "fan ships" have pretty much zero fictional support. --Jeysie 17:26, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Go read the Transformer - organic romance section not too many aren't just slightly hinted at or are just fan ships. --Ninjabot33 17:43, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Er... those are all pretty obvious and/or the subject of in-fiction innuendo, actually. --Jeysie 17:57, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Sorry to say this but I don't understand what you just said. I'm not sure anything was really hinted at between Snowstalker and Tigatron at least and still not all of them could be considered as official ones. But lets get back on the matter at hand now OK? I don't feel like arguing too much about what relationships are really hinted at or not. --Ninjabot33 18:07, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Um. That is the matter at hand. We only include romances with strong in-fiction support/hints on both lists. Ratchet, for instance, doesn't show any potentially romantic feelings towards Arcee other than caring about and being protective of her, and by that criterion you have even more evidence for him and Omega Supreme than you do he and her. --Jeysie 18:19, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Didn't I just say I didn't want to argue about it anymore? Just leave it! When I said about Ratchet and Arcee I just thought they seemed a lot like a likely pair but if you don't want that on the list fine. Can we just stop this now? I'm getting tired. --Ninjabot33 18:28, 25 November 2009 (EST)

I was discussing the matter at hand that you brought up. If you didn't want to discuss that, then you shouldn't have brought it up. Just sayin'. --Jeysie 18:57, 25 November 2009 (EST)

When I said "matter at hand" I was reffering to Fembots instead of Robot-fleshling romance. OK? Also you were bugging me about how it didn't have actual evidence in the fiction which is what I already said. --Ninjabot33 10:21, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Like I said, the same criteria applies to both lists, fembot-mech romances as well as human-TF ones. You made some suggestions, I pointed out why they didn't quite fit. That's the point of Talk pages (one of them anyway): you make a suggestion for the article and see if other folks agree. Don't get so upset if people don't. --Jeysie 10:35, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Fine but you could have just said there isn't enough fictional evidence and had it over with but instead you made it sound kind of insulting. Can we talk about something else now? I don't think there's enough room left to discuss this any further.--Ninjabot33 10:41, 26 November 2009 (EST)

I have a suggestion: Ransack and the cute scooter he dumped. Landmine (episode) I don't know where to put that since they didn't say if she was a transformer or not. --Ninjabot33 12:27, 2 February 2010 (EST)

I think the best guess from the context is "Transformer", so I'll put it there. Oh, and while I finished up this article alone, I took several items you added to your sandbox-list, so credit where credit's due. But... you may want to have your sandbox outright deleted now that you don't need it anymore. Geewunling 12:58, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Heh, the note about Saber and Clipper made me wonder... while not strictly romantic, is it worth noting that Cliffjumper seemed rather flustered talking about fembot curviness in "Eye in the Sky"? --Jeysie 12:52, 2 February 2010 (EST)

I am not sure on that one. I wish to do an update on the Female Transformer page soon now that this is out of the way, and I'd guess that sort of information is slightly more suited for an appearance/definition/intro section of that article. Not that this information can't be on both, but I wouldn't know where to place it in this article. Or do you have a suggestion? Geewunling 12:58, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Actually, now that you make me think of it, perhaps Female Transformer would be a better spot (as CJ perhaps seems more flustered by Crasher's shape than by Crasher herself). --Jeysie 13:42, 2 February 2010 (EST)

Yeah, in that case, making a connection to get it suitable for inclusion here is going to be tough. I definitely see value for it in the aforementioned article (section). I kinda like the idea of morphing the "Appearance" section into a "Definition" section to include male vs. female attitude. Geewunling 13:58, 2 February 2010 (EST)

May I ask where a Sari Sumdac - Afterburn would go (specified of course) since Sari is part robot and part human but also because Afterburn wasn't really y'know alive. --Ninjabot33 13:48, 28 February 2010 (EST)

My suggestion is TF - TF with a footnote we don't know whether her crush comes from her Cybertronian half or is unrelated to it. Geewunling 17:00, 28 February 2010 (EST)

Is the lack of a Ratchet (Animated) - Arcee (Animated) an oversight or am I the only one who sees a relationship here? Gearbox

I think the problem is that they only knew each other for a little while before she went into a coma for a few million years. They didn't really know each other long enough to have a romance, per se. Mutual attraction, certainly, but not romance. -- Semysane 18:37, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

Should someone mention Sky-Byte's creepy obsession with Megatron being "pleased" with him? Like in this image. Or isn't that romantic looking enough? --Ninjabot33 13:52, 28 June 2010 (EDT)

Cliffjumper - Kita Spotlight: Cliffjumper? --Ninjabot33 16:41, 20 October 2010 (EDT)

...Mrs. Darby seems to have a thing for Optimus, if Metal Attraction is any indication. That title takes on a whole new meaning if she wasn't kidding. --72.215.154.250 10:27, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

What about EarthSpark Megatron and Dorothy Malto? I feel it's heavily implied that Megatron has a thing for Dorothy. Kiké Prime (talk) 03:59, 2 October 2023 (EDT)

The Twins

Are you sure that their dialogue reflects some kind of sexual attraction towards their respective vehicle modes? Tom Servo the Great 10:22, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

Frankly, I don't believe so. I hear gear heads talk about their rides like that sometimes. Besides, the Twins are jackasses. --King Starscream 16:53, 16 December 2011 (EST)

Rewatching the scene; to me, it sounds like they're going to use their vehicle modes to pick up members of the opposite sex (or whatever their equivalent.) Tom Servo the Great 17:28, 16 December 2011 (EST)

Cliff/Arcee?

Is the potential relationship hinted at between Cliffjumper and Arcee in Prime worth noting, or too conjectural at this point? It seemed like a pretty heavy hint to me, but at the same time since there's no proof... --King Starscream 16:55, 16 December 2011 (EST)

Arcee/Optimus?

I was wondering if maybe Arcee and Optimus Prime counted for a romance because in Scrapheapthey hold hands when they think they are gonna die and in Operation Bumblebee, Part 2 Arcee remarks Optimus has "steady hands" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Waitwhatareyouasking (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

The holding hands in Scrapheap was a comforting gesture, since they both thought they were about to die. As for the "steady hands" remark, I am completely lost as to how that hints at a romance. And always remember to.....sign your posts! -- spyder 13:52, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

Because any sign of affection or kindness under any circumstances from a female MUST mean she's romantically attracted to you. --M Sipher 16:34, 13 June 2012 (EDT)

Sorry been reading to many fanfic

Addition to the list from Of Masters and Mayhem?

Deadly Aim seems to pretty heavily pair up Alpha Bravo and Offroad. It's never explicitly stated that they're romantically involved, but it's one of those cases where it basically pushes it as hard as it can without directly stating it. The wiki's page on it states as much. Is this grounds for adding them to The List? DuplexBeGreat (talk) 05:05, 16 September 2017 (EDT)

Okay for this wiki?

I'm not quite sure this is staying in the appropriate guidelines of the wiki. Skywarp Prime (talk) 15:35, 11 June 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

It is. Grum (talk) 16:19, 11 June 2019 (EDT)

Yeah okay. Skywarp Prime (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Addition from Coalescence?

This is similar to a question above about Alpha Bravo and Offroad. Coalescence depicts SG Windblade and SG Strongarm as a couple and they're on the List, which makes sense, but what about the SG versions of Darkwing, Crasher, and Cyclonus? Didn't Jesse Wittenrich even say they had romantic interest in each other? Arceespinkgun (talk) 06:21, 19 February 2026 (EST)