Talk:Transformers: Wings Universe

Female Autobots

The historical tales feature a young Kup alongside mostly characters who never appeared in the cartoon. So far, this has allowed the writers to avoid problems of relative age, since Kup is supposed to be significantly older than almost everyone in the present day. And the only familiar characters in that early timeframe are either also old or have an excuse.{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:|{{{2}}}{{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}

What about the Female Autobots? "Flames of Yesterday" features the orange/purple and green elf ladies, and also Moonracer, the youngest-seeming Female Autobot, is also out and about. (Moonracer's bio tries to deal with this by saying that there was an accident during an upgrade so she acts like a teenager.) I am not sure how to rewrite this paragraph to accommodate them, since there are so many exceptions presented already to the "rule" given in it. --ItsWalky 10:35, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

It also makes zero mention of the fact that (so far, anyway) this is a very Elite Guard-centric set of stories, not just pre-war stories in general.

(Although thanks for creating the sucker... I'd been thinking we needed it for a while now but wasn't quite sure how to go about it.) --Jeysie 10:47, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

No problem. I do wonder if Wings of Honor deserves a franchise and toyline page (in which case this page might get folded into the franchise page or become "Wings of Honor (fiction)"), but at the moment I'm comfortable leaving it be. We'll see what happens with G2 Redux and beyond. - Jackpot 20:08, 1 June 2010 (EDT)

Shuttle scene

And as far as the shuttle scene from Timelines #4, didn't Pete say at some point that it was set in 2009 or 2010? And I think I remember him placing it somewhere around the Nexus Prime scene from TCSp1... --ItsWalky 11:15, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=67730&view=findpost&p=1489241 --Jeysie 11:21, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for digging that up. So, as far as creator intent goes, it's firmly in the 'Toon continuity, and the shuttle scene is just coincidentally strikingly similar to one that went before. There is precedent to that; in Marvel, the Predacon attack on Optimus in the UK, then Megatron in the US, for instance.--Jimsorenson 11:26, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

How loosely based is this to the cartoon?

The article says it is loosely based on the cartoon. I haven't read them, but the continuity seems pretty tight to me if they do things like recolor not-First Aid to avoid a continuity error and give a reason why the '85 Autobots appeared from seemingly nowhere after season one. - Starfield 23:54, 23 December 2011 (EST)

For an example of where Wings and Cartoon diverge, take the case of Cyclonus, Scourge, and Galvatron. They all did the things they did in the cartoon, but they did it while looking like their Universe/BotCon/Generations toys. Same with Ironhide and Ratchet, who both did all of their cartoon things while looking like their BotCon 2005 toys. --ItsWalky 00:19, 24 December 2011 (EST)

("Loosely" may be the wrong word to use.) --ItsWalky 00:22, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Y'know, particularly after that last chapter of Battle Lines, it almost seems disingenuous to me to put Wings stuff down at the bottom of the fiction sections as the most recent thing. It kinda feels like it deserves to go with the other cartoon stuff. - Chris McFeely 05:11, 24 December 2011 (EST)

I wouldn't be opposed to that. Although I would make an exception for JG1 dudes like Metalhawk, for obvious reasons. —Interrobang 08:17, 24 December 2011 (EST)

I also wouldn't be opposed to that. It feels like it belongs in the cartoon section, even if it's off in its own area, and labeled appropriately. I think we need a new note template to go above the section that explains things. --ItsWalky 09:43, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Did we ever come to a decision on this? It does seem like it'd be better suited in the G1 cartoon continuity sections. --abates 20:23, 16 November 2012 (EST)

I am not sure if a decision was reached, but if Wings stuff started getting moved to cartoon sections with the appropriate note-age, I wouldn't stop anyone. --ItsWalky 20:36, 16 November 2012 (EST)

Why hasn't this been done yet? It's been over ten years and everybody seems to have thought moving Wings info into cartoon sections made sense, yet it still hasn't happened. Honestly, categorizing fiction that is explicitly intended to be a part of the cartoon continuity as being completely seperate just because of unimportant design differences is petty and doesn't make a lot of sense.--Volnar The Unforgiving (talk) 20:58, 9 May 2023 (EDT)

The thing being discussed here is putting the Wings fiction sections in the section of the articles about the various cartoon-based appearances, including related media, not actually putting it in the cartoon section. We aren't doing that because that's now how it was released, and it contradicts other material. Escargon (talk) 21:05, 9 May 2023 (EDT)

Different bodies with no explanation based on modern toys seems to be the new normal, like Rodimus vs. Cyclonus. - Starfield 09:00, 24 December 2011 (EST)

Termination

Shouldn't Machine Wars be on the navbox?KrytenKoro (talk) 20:28, 19 June 2014 (EDT)

BotCon 2014 stuff

So, uh, it's highly very likely we have to merge all the 3H stuff into this universe, across countless articles. Everything does its damned best to smooth itself into that universe, including mentioning stuff like Tap-Out previously being dead (as seen in the Elite Guard magazine comic) but being alive now. The BotCon 2014 story is, in effect, a post-3H Universe story while also being Wings continuity. The only other contradictions are Crosscut and Glyph dying in Wings and being alive in 3H, and Windmill appearing alive after having been killed on the Sojourner's Passage's crash in 3H, but like Tap-Out's "hey I'm alive even though I was dead once" blurb in the customization class materials, apparently those are not as final as they seemed to be? --ItsWalky (talk) 23:18, 23 June 2014 (EDT)

That sounds like a good argument for renaming it to something along the lines of "3H BotCon Continuity," too. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:01, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

I've not read the comic, but doesn't it have an alternate origin for Shokaract? And one of the new Apelinq journals makes it clear that this Apelinq never time-travelled back into the Beast Wars (he had a vision of an alternate version of his life, in which he sees but doesn't recognise Optimal Optimus and Shokaract).

And Tap-Out wasn't Wrecker second-in-command in 3H, right? 'Cause another journal describes him as returning to the post when Alpha Trizer reforms the Wreckers. It also mentions that Primal Prime kicked Devcon out of the Wreckers for being a prick, whereas in 3H he just sods off of his own accord?

Is it possible that, much as it includes an almost-but-not-quite version of the G1 cartoon, the Wings Universe also includes an almost-but-not-quite version of the BM/Universe 3H material (but not the BW stuff)? Jalaguy (talk) 04:32, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

What that guy said. Most notably, Primal Prime and Apelinq aren't Sentinel Maximus. Mimi (talk) 10:28, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

I'd say that's the least notable part. The customization class booklet says there's a period of time after the Quintesson invasion that his whereabouts were top secret, and presumably once Sentinel Maximus was done cavorting around the multiverse, he could have ended up back where he started and separated from Apelinq. The Apelinq cross-dimensional thing is eyebrow-raising enough that I'm hesitant to do a merge until things are nailed down better. Which is fine by me. It's not a merge I wanna do. --ItsWalky (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Oh, and I wouldn't say Shokaract's origin is different, at least going by my memory. By all appeareances, Hunter steps through the space bridge that Cannonball stole to Earth, where he finds the Dark Essence. That's just putting him in the right place for his original origin to happen. --ItsWalky (talk) 11:32, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

And Tap-Out coulda been Wrecker second-in-command during any point in time in the past 150 years. Same with Devcon's defection, since he joins up again with them in Wreckers Finale II. --ItsWalky (talk) 11:33, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Glancing over 3H stuff, the Hunter was described as being from a Cybertron where BW Megatron and the Predacons ruled, and that he winds up crash-landing on the desolate future-Earth before finding the Dark Essence. Jalaguy (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, that'd do it. You could probably bend over backwards to explain that away, but that ain't what WE'RE for. Distinct continuity integrity is preserved! --ItsWalky (talk) 21:54, 24 June 2014 (EDT)