Talk:Trypticon (WFC)

Some helpful quotes with regard to his sentience

"Puzzled, Megatron read the encrypted message. Trypticon? That pile of semi-sentient junk?" - Megs, p.69

"Was the entire station sentient? Had it been given a Spark? [...] 'I do know Trypticon was created——re-created I should say; given Spark'" - Alpha, p.80-81

"'Now Shockwave,' Megatron said. 'What you see around you is a great machine, an orbiting drone, yet perhaps there is potential for a bit of Spark within." - p.154

Either Alpha Trion exaggerates how sentient Trypticon is, or Megatron is wrong. In either case, it was Shockwave who used multiple captive Sparks to turn Trypticon into a coherent, transforming being with its own immune system. Alientraveller 19:03, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

It's pretty clearly a case of the sort that shows up a bunch in Exodus, where two seperate revisions of the story both accidentally made it into the book. It's likely the Shockwave one was meant to be the one included, but they both were... so we have to take both as possible fact. There's no reason to give the Megatron comments more wieght than what Orion and Alpha Trion say earlier. So we have two different accounts of Trypticon being altered into a Transformer and brought to life. That Shockwave seems to need to use multiple borrowed Sparks to do what one Spark should do and does in the earlier origin is odd but there's no real reason to believe that His Version of the sparking is what "works" to makes Tryp. alive/sentient vs. the other. --76.28.76.206 20:18, 9 August 2010 (EDT)

Trypticon also clearly isn't the station Starscream once commanded in the actual WFC game. He's a different, much less destroyed one that doesn't show up until Aerial Assault. -LV 17:22, 30 November 2010 (EST)

Station mode

Are there any good shots of his space station mode from the video game to be used for Wiki purposes? --Sabrblade 16:43, 9 February 2012 (EST)

Anon's merge proposal

I say go with the merge. Omega Supreme (Animated) and Teletran-1 were eventually merged. - Starfield 20:35, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

Merge from Nemesis (Prime)

Shouldn't this disambiguate with Nemesis Prime or am I the only bastard sad enough to find that funny?

I was going to say that the main image caption would be good enough for that, but I guess it got changed to something I don't understand? --ItsWalky 17:45, 14 December 2010 (EST)

Apparently anons have been messing around with it nonsensically for the past two days, so I just reverted the whole thing back to Abates's version from December 10th. --Detour 17:49, 14 December 2010 (EST)

That's too bad, because I wanted to do an image caption along the lines of "The store exclusive version is redecoed as Ultra Magnus." -hx 07:03, 15 December 2010 (EST)

Shouldn't this be merged with Trypticon (WFC), this is his alt-mode, and in Exiles it's stated that Trypticon is now stuck in ship mode, so that must mean that the Nemesis that appears in Prime could be Trypticon.71.162.103.17 23:01, 8 February 2012 (EST)

I want to say there was a discussion about multiple ships named the Nemesis... was that in this continuity, or another one? -Derik 01:22, 9 February 2012 (EST)

That was movie continuity. —Interrobang 01:27, 9 February 2012 (EST)

Thaaaank you!

In which case I'm fine with moving to Trypticon (WFC)-- but I also favor a non-standard section ==Nemesis== prior to ==Fiction== to explicitly point out that he and the ship are one in the same. The fiction section should theoretically do the same, but I think it's important to make it super-clear since the two state-of-beings are so separate. This would be similar to the ==Origin== section we sometime use to clarify when things are especially funky. -Derik 01:55, 9 February 2012 (EST)

Trypticon appears in WFC, Exodus, and Exiles, Nemesis appears in Exiles and Prime. I've looked at both articles cloosely, they can fit perfectly together. Basically all that needs to be merged is the cartoon section.71.162.109.207 18:19, 9 February 2012 (EST)

I added a merge tag anyway.71.162.109.207 18:20, 9 February 2012 (EST)

Er, shouldn't the intros have been merged rather than the Nemesis one being slapped under the existing Trypticon one? Also, now that this is about a Prime thing, it needs to be a Trypticon (Prime), yes? --abates 16:37, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

I went with the above suggestion of a special "Nemesis" section. Maybe it would be better handled in the intro paragraph, except I don't think Trypticon becomes the Nemesis in War for Cybertron, so maybe not. I don't know the current policy on aligned disambiguations. - Starfield 16:50, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

Presumably the whole Trypticon became the Nemesis thing is in the production bible everyone is working from. We might get more info when Flying Mind screens, anyway. I don't think I agree with Derik's idea though-a combined intro would be better. --abates 17:18, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

I agree. Summarizing up the entire entity is the point of the intro. I'm not the right person to do it, though. I didn't play WFC very much or read the novels. —Interrobang 17:42, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

Y'know, now that we've moved this, I sure hope "Flying Mind" doesn't screw it up. :-\ - Chris McFeely 05:16, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

I was kinda hoping we'd wait to see what happened in that episode before doing anything, but oh well. --abates 17:14, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

Whatever happens, this is already canon, isn't it? I mean, it isn't incorrect or anything. - Starfield 20:54, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

Well sure, but if the warship turns out to be some other dude in the Prime cartoon, then we'll have to give it its own article and split Trypticon back out with the note that he's "sometimes" the Nemesis, or something like that. - Chris McFeely 04:38, 19 April 2012 (EDT)

I'm wagering the whole "Trypticon is the Nemesis" thing is in the Binder of Revelation and there's a good chance it won't be a problem, but we'll see! --abates 05:19, 19 April 2012 (EDT)

Is the ship in Prime even called the Nemesis?

I don't recall it ever being named as such, and in the credits of Flying Mind the voice of the ship is credited as "Warship".

Also, I heard recently that Trypticon isn't the only Nemesis, but rather one of many "Nemesis Class Ships" in the Aligned Continuity. Is there anything to back this up in the novels, because I have not read them yet. --24.70.2.53 00:25, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

It was referred to as the Nemesis in "Shadowzone". --abates 00:32, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

Right. I just rewatched "Shadowzone" and Optimus actually calls the ship "The Nemesis" when wondering where the kids could of been 'ground bridged' to after they went missing. Easy to miss if youre weren't paying attention to the dialogue.--Riptor One 21:39, 4 May 2012 (EDT)

and to answer your other question now I've been able to check, the following sentence occurs in Exiles: "The Nemesis itself had become stasis locked after its final transformation out of Trypticon mode", which seems fairly clear in that Trypticon is the ship known as the Nemesis. --abates 01:41, 1 May 2012 (EDT)

Trypticon's name

Is Trypticon's real name going to be revealed anytime soon? Gamemaster 10:48, 27 September 2012

71.164.209.66 14:03, 31 July 2012 (EDT)Anonymous

Turns out it's Johnathan. --ItsWalky 14:20, 31 July 2012 (EDT)

Soudwaves opinion of Nemesis over Trypticon

In Fall Of Cybertron, Soundwave says Nemesis superior, Trypticon inferior maybe we should put that as a quote in the Fall Of Cybertron section. Gamemaster 10:48, 27 September 2012

Is Trypticon dead?

In the scene where Trypticon is transforming for the last time into the Nemesis, his optic sensors turn off. Does that mean he dies?Transfan 1992 19:05, 18 November 2012 (EST)

Well, Exiles describes Trypticon as being in stasis-lock after becoming the Nemesis. This would make sense considering that in 'Flying Mind' a dark energon infusion was able to temporarily reawaken what was presumably Trypticon's consciousness. So he's not dead, as such, more like in the Transformers version of a coma. Jalaguy 19:13, 18 November 2012 (EST)