Talk:Vector Sigma

This is entirely speculation:

Vector Sigma MAY have originally been one of the other Thirteen original Transformers constructed by Primus before he became the planet Cybertron.

First, we have the quote "I am Vector Sigma. Before Cybertron was, I was". This would allow both Primus and Vector Sigma to exist in the same timeline.

Secondly, we have the similarity in names between Vector Prime and Vector Sigma. At this stage, the only other of the Thirteen we know of is "The Fallen", who's original name is lost to (or rather, was removed from) the ages.

Potentially, Vector Sigma's alt mode could have been that of a computer system, and the ability (as well as the need, or desire) to transform lost over time.

As I said, speculation bordering on manic fanfiction, which is why it's here on the discussion page, rather than in the article. Comments? Proof against?

• IIRC Vecter Sigma looked the same in Headmasters, the pic you have is just it's chamber as viewed from the outside. Perhaps we can add something about the Oricle being a quint creation X-BoB58

X-BoB is right about that first picture just being the outer chamber. I've added a picture of the computer itself. --Steve-o 06:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

What about in Transformers Cybertron, Primus wasn't able to talk all that well with lesser beings. However, Vector Sigma can. He most likely created Vector Sigma as a go between with his creations. When Primus turned into Cybertron, he stopped communicating with Vector Sigma so it just went right along like nothing happened, blissfully communicating with the lesser beings. --LokitheGrammarNazi 16:09, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

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In Robots in Disguise, Optimus Prime mentions that Vector Sigma chose him to carry the Matrix. Should we mention that here, or should there be a separate Vector Sigma (RiD) entry? Everything else on this page is cumulative across several shows in one single continuity, so it would be out of place in that regard... but the throw-away line in RiD isn't exactly an article-filling piece of information. --ItsWalky 09:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably just add a note to the end of the current article then, as it is currently - if something turns up that nesecitates a longer RID specific article, it can always be moved later. - TTK

In Nippon, Hightower once served as a guard for vector Sigma- but I dont' think, with the way CR fot filtered into RiD, that's th sort of thing you'd mention here, even though the Build team came over relatively intact- it'd goon Hightower's individual page as a note about a bit of character history from is JP version. -D-rok

I AM ALSO KNOW AS THE ORACLE

-hx 03:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Does this mean that Cybertron itself is a featured article? --Andrusi 17:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Soooo... Japanese Stuff then...

It wasn't too hard to work the basics of the new JTF timeline stuff into the Oracle (G1) article since it was brief, but this one seems a little trickier to me since Vector Sigma has a lot more other appearences to work around. Anyone have a good idea on how to get the JTF stff in here smoothly? --ZacWilliam 14:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

It probably needs a ground-up rewrite to accommodate what was done in the Fun Pub comics. That having been done... I think VS/the Oracle still forms a 'straight line' of continuity, most of this can probably be folded back into the new article -Derik 14:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Oracle

The more I write articles, the more I think the Oracle and Vector Sigma should be separate articles. The Oracle is a separate program wrapped around Vector Sigma, whether you buy the whole Quints-made-it stuff or not. I think the Oracle merits its own article. --ItsWalky 18:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I do agree, but I haven't watched Beast Machines since it originally aired, so I can't really get around to writing the article —‽ 22:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Vector Sigma in Aligned

So... is the Core of Cybertron the same as Vector Sigma? Exiles seems to imply that VS is another name for the core. Tom Servo the Great 22:29, 6 November 2011 (EST)

I think we should wait till we see what the dealio is with the Key to Vector Sigma in the cartoon. —Interrobang 23:45, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Well, now we know they're different. Interestingly though, while Exodus says it's under Iacon, in TFP, the Key leads Jack and Arcee to Kaon. The sections of Exodus and TFP should be merged under an "Aligned" section, but now I ask, before or after the IDW G1 section?

Neo

I don't understand the placement of the Neo summary here. I get that it's technically part of "Japanese G1 cartoon continuity", but surely it is also part of "Beast Era", and it belongs chronologically after BM. The writeup as-is is almost entirely a straight read-through, so why screw that up? -LV 09:56, 7 May 2013 (EDT)

"The Source"

So in re-reading Age of Wrath to find a good Slamdance image, I was just wondering if we know what "The Source" that he discovers underground was supposed to be. He describes it as "a sentient mainframe, the collective consciousness of Cybertron itself". It certainly sounds like it could be Vector Sigma, but Furman seems to usually avoid making direct references to the cartoon lore when possible. Vector Sigma does exist in Dreamwave continuity, but I was just wondering if "The Source" deserves its own page or should be otherwise noted here.--Nu-Priest (talk) 11:32, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

Given the ending of The Dark Ages, I imagine he was talking about Primus. Escargon (talk) 11:34, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, it's all a bit nebulous, but I figured with the "spiky ball" visual, Furman or Ng were trying to suggest Sigma. --Nu-Priest (talk) 13:57, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

Other imagery of Vector Sigma in Dreamwave G1 show it to resemble an orb of monitors. Although, I just consulted both The Ultimate Guide and the Dreamwave MTMTE to see if they say anything about Vector Sigma being a "source" or if there might be something else described by that term, and I did find something. Not for Vector Sigma, but in The Ultimate Guide, under the entry for the Well of All Sparks. At the end of the entry, it says "The Sparks from each of these casualties of war return to source, reuniting with the essence of Primus in the Well of All Sparks at the planetary core." Make of that what you will. --Sabrblade (talk) 21:10, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

Maybe this is just one of those random rebrandings Furman did occasionally, like "Sig Omega".--Nu-Priest (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2019 (EDT)