Talk:Zarak (G1)

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Is Zarak ever referred to as "Lord" Zarak in Rebirth?--G.B. Blackrock 14:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Yep. "The Decepticon modifications are complete, Lord Zarak," says Grax. --KilMichaelMcC 14:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Good enough for me. But since the title of the article is "Zarak" there might be a line at the top saying "often called 'Lord Zarak'" or perhaps making reference to the fact that his toy is named "Lord Zarak" in the US. In fact, the toy should be included on this article, as is common for most TF character pages. As always, the Sunstreaker (G1) article is our guide....--G.B. Blackrock 15:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say he was the size of an Average Transformer in Headmasters http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2618/cap5441ec.jpg

Well, he looks smaller when he's further away! He must be tiny. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! --ItsWalky 16:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

For the depth-perception impaired:

http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/04/episodes/ep26/riskmylife041.jpg

--ItsWalky 16:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1548/cap1368ql.jpg .... X-BoB58 17:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/04/episodes/ep26/riskmylife047.jpg

That's Weirdwolf he's talking to there, for reference. --ItsWalky 17:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Hence my line about how his size is inconsistante in the Headmasters Section X-BoB58 17:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

He's still the size of an average Transformer, though. The point being is that he's not *human*-sized, which is why his size is brought up in the first place. Even when he's drawn smaller in Headmasters, he's still not human- or Nebulan-sized. He could pick up Spike and carry him around. That's what distinguishes him from America's Zarak. --ItsWalky 17:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Non of the Master's are human sized in headmasters. X-BoB58 18:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Close enough for jazz, I'd say. They'd be pretty tall humans, but they're still working on the same scale. Ratbat 10:51, 30 April 2006 (AEST)

I thought the oversized headmaster in these pictures was called SCORPONOK, and the transector-body was Megazarek. Am I wrong? -Derik 23:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

You know, for a guy whose body has atrophied to the point of being useless because of his overreliance on mentally controlled machines, Cartoon Zarak is pretty muscular. --Andrusi 20:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Man, you should've seen 'im BEFORE he was atrophied. Like a Rob Liefeld sketch, I tell ya.--MCRG 23:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

...His name comes from "arachnid", doesn't it... How did I only just notice that...? --flicky1991 14:32, 3 August 2014 (EDT)

Move

Anybody in opposition before I go ahead and move this? Mimi (talk) 17:34, 5 July 2014 (EDT

It depends on the why, and what will be the new name of the page--D.A.Martin (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

There's a move proposal template at the top of the article, which includes the potential name: Mo Zarak. Personally, I'm not sure the move is super-essential... Jalaguy (talk) 17:49, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

The name Mo goes almost unused in G1 fiction save for Tornado's Journals where it differentiated him from Olin, and it sounds unfitting for the Decepticon leader. Besides, I'm guessing nobody will search him for the Mo name. If the renaming is to differentiate him from Olin, I'd suggest to go with Lord Zarak instead.--D.A.Martin (talk) 17:57, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

The name Mo is originally from the IDW comics. Tornado's Journals uses it again. --ItsWalky (talk) 19:16, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

. See Alexis Thi Dang. --ItsWalky (talk) 19:18, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

I almost forget that this wiki follows the mistake of telling the IDW-verse is G1 (made worse after "Timeless" officialized the mistake). --D.A.Martin (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

What a new and refreshing point of contention. Mimi (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, but maybe I should bring it in other talk page. I just don't know where.--D.A.Martin (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

Don't. --ItsWalky (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2014 (EDT)

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Move to Mortilus Zarak? Since that seems to be his even more full name? Or maybe back to Lord Zarak, since that always seems to apply?--Giggidy (talk) 16:18, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

I'm trying to understand why we wouldn't want a disambiguation page between two guys with the same name. I'm also struggling to see how Mortilus is any less prominent than Mo, given that Mortilus was used once (BotCon Facebook page) and Mo was used twice (once in a comic, once in the same BotCon Facebook page.)--Giggidy (talk) 17:35, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

A widely published comic issue and an in-depth bio about a BotCon toy are objectively more prominent than one particular comment on a Facebook page. Saix (talk) 17:42, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

Ok, granted, but there is 20 years of much more prominent fiction where he is just Lord Zarak. Also, see Walky above: "But more on point, if we have a full name for someone, we tend to put the article there, no matter how often it's used." And Mortilus is definitely a more full name than Mo. Plus it's just cooler. Basically, if prominence is the criteria, Lord Zarak wins. If Full name is the criteria, Mortilus wins. In no reasonable scheme does Mo win.

And you haven't addressed the disambig tag removal at all.--Giggidy (talk) 18:05, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

Move Redux

OK, I really think we should revisit the idea of moving this page. I asked a follow-up question to Ask Vector Prime and the answer just came in. Rather than clarifying it one way or the other, it really muddied the waters. Mo is short for Mortilus in both of the continuities where it was first used, but then it's been confirmed that it's also short for a bunch of other names in other universes. There are also a bunch of other names that apply to him, including Kord, Dante, and Scorponok. I think the closest analog is Sparkplug Witwicky. He has various full names in various continuities; Daniel, Stanislas, William, so we just settle on what's always true and stick with Sparkplug. I think we really need to move this page back to Lord Zarak, which seems to be always true and has the advantage of being what 99.9% of the fans know him as. Oh, and don't we generally limit introductory paragraph information to stuff that is true across all incarnations of the character?--Giggidy (talk) 11:31, 4 August 2015 (EDT)

"Lord" doesn't apply in every continuity, either. "Zarak" is all that does. --flicky1991 13:47, 4 August 2015 (EDT)

In that case, I think it makes more sense to keep it as "Mo Zarak", since the answer seems to indicate that he is usually Mo. I'm firmly against moving this page to "Zarak". (also "Mo" is a hilarious name for a Decepticon leader and I want it to be as prominent as possible) --Riptide (talk) 18:46, 4 August 2015 (EDT)

I don't read the answer that way. I asked if Mo was always short for Mortilus and he answered in the negative with some counterexamples. I got the feeling that if I asked if Kord is ever short for something he'd list off a bunch of answers too. I still think Lord Zarak makes the most sense and covers probably 95% of his appearances, but I'll grant that just plain old Zarak, while not sounding as cool, gets us up to 99%.

Riptide, if your goal is just to make the character sound stupid, I'll suggest that rather than fight to have him at "Mo Zarak", which at present we don't have a single confirmed continuity where that's his name, we add all the disambiguation tags Vector Prime has handed us. I count eleven: Mortilus, Olin, Quixotol, Monzo, Mollox, Mogahn, Modrex, Mongo, Kord, Dante, and Scorponok. Surely having eleven disambiguation tags at the top of the page will accomplish your goal of making this really cool character seem hilariously idiotic. Not that I understand why this is desirable, but different strokes. --Giggidy (talk) 21:05, 4 August 2015 (EDT)

If there is going to be a discussion about where this page is put, whether it sounds "cool" or "stupid" shouldn't factor in, as that is entirely subjective. I could easily argue that "Mortillus" is the stupid name, arguing it sounds like a silly silver-age super villain name, where the character was being set up to be evil from birth. "Aw gawsh, honey, let's name our innocent baby boy Mortillus! I'm sure he'll grow up to win the nobel peace prize!" And I could argue that "Mo" is the cool name because it sounds like the name "Moe," which I personally like or something. This shouldn't factor in our decisions. Use what will render the page most accessible and informative. Ascendron (talk) 21:38, 4 August 2015 (EDT)

This makes good sense. And I think it swings me fully into the just plain old "Zarak" camp. That covers every fictional appearence he's in. Sure, there's some Vector Prime nonsense, but I think that's reasonably relegated to the Notes section, which is where I've put it. --Giggidy (talk) 00:04, 5 August 2015 (EDT)

My point about "Mo" being funny was a joke, and I'm sorry that it didn't come across that way. Thing is, outside of "Vector Prime nonsense", Mo is the only first name we have for him (from IDW); we haven't moved Olin Zarak to just "Olin" because his surname was Witwicky in Beast Wars Uprising. While I'll understand if the page gets moved, I won't particularly like it. --Riptide (talk) 02:53, 5 August 2015 (EDT)

Generations Selects Black Zarak

I think that the Generations Selects retool of Earthrise Scorponok + Lord Zarak should be mentioned on this page. Lacking in bios as the line does suffer, Generations Selects Black Zarak is implicitly not a transtector just as Generations Selects Lift-Ticket has an Autobot insignia to imply he is Cybertronian and not a Diaclone mecha. Thus, I argue the middle/small stages have not been disproved as Lord Zarak, like Titans Return Freezeout being labeled for his return in Age of the Primes. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 05:45, 17 January 2025 (EST)

I think you're making up an implication in your head and trying to link an entirely unrelated release to support your point. Hasbro didn't bother and it's not our job to make up for it. Saix (talk) 10:18, 17 January 2025 (EST)

Oh, an "unrelated" toy from the same release year? Now who's making up implications in your head? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 10:37, 17 January 2025 (EST)

What are you even talking about Saix (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2025 (EST)