Template talk:Tobedeleted

Aw, come on, Derik's edit was not only amusing but incredibly appropriate given the subject matter of this wiki. - Dark T Zeratul 00:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

If that's really what everyone wants, go ahead and change it back; I just don't think that tone's appropriate for administrative messages. They should be straightforward and easy to understand, no matter what. --Suki Brits 00:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, you should discuss this with Sipher then. He's the one who proposed all administrative tags have funny text and images, ala Wookieepedia, in the first place. --Rotty 00:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, here are the fundamentals of administrative templates:

• They need to not look boring.
• They need to be easy to understand the purpose of.

Wookieepedia does this by giving the amusing template text then giving the concise, simple explanation of what the hell the template actually is for. The latter is absolutely necessary. Make whatever changes you like, but it's pretty important, otherwise stuff just gets hard to follow. --Suki Brits 00:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Um, Derik? You're aware that the concept for funny administrative tags was proposed in imitation of Wookieepedia, right? It might help if you actually looked at their administrative tags, since so far you've managed to get this Tobedeleted tag wrong in multiple ways. First the unhelpful jokey text without the amusing image, then the straight unfunny text with the amusing image. If you're going to do these, please do them right or let someone else do the job. --Rotty 01:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The jokey text was 'without the amusing image' because the way the images are done on these templates involves CSS, and the CSS change hadn't gone through yet. The original idea was to have funny image and jokey text. Admin disagreed witht he jokey text, so it got put back.

You want a joke? put it in yourself. I got overruled. -Derik 01:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

See "It might help if you actually looked at Wookieepedia's administrative tags". --Rotty 01:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It might help if you linked to their administrative tags instead of their frontpage. -Derik 01:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It also might help if people waited to see what he was doing before jumping down his throat for something that he labelled as a work in progress in his initial edit summary. --Steve-o 01:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Click the links here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Templates --Rotty 01:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I jumped the gun in reverting the initial edit, I'll admit; and Rotty, please don't be so comfrontational. I've explained what I think are the important criteria for these templates, but the rest? It doesn't matter. I'm not trying to flex admin muscle here at all; when it comes to matters like this, my word is not, in fact, law. That's not how it works here.

Make whatever changes you'd like, I'd appreciate it if you strongly considered what I said about the templates having straightforward explanations. If anyone has an idea for what the text should be, just make the change, post your thoughts, and don't bicker about it. This applies to me, too. --Suki Brits 01:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Majestrix? It's not "magistrate"? --KilMichaelMcC 03:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It is magistrate indeed. Dunno why it was changed to that crazy non-word. --ItsWalky 03:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Derik's right in that Space Pirates decides that the Imperial Magistrate (an actual court figure title) was "Imperial Majestrix" in Space Pirates. The original comic book adaptation only invokes the jury, but the IDW adaptation uses the proper "magistrate." [1] It's also what they say in the movie and, yes, again, it's not calling him a "majestrix," which google says is a leather corset. I'm not really surprised. Furman has called the humans the "indigent species" (versus "indigenous") twice in IDW, so clearly he sometimes has problems with unfamiliar similar-sounding words of which one means something hilarious. I'm going to go with the Real Word That Means Something. --ItsWalky 04:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

And Emirate is a real title? Or Monark?

I thinkt he Space Pirates spelling reflects intention. Funny intentional spelling overrides boring whatever spelling. -Derik 05:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

...Furman intended to call the Quintesson an Imperial leather corset? --ItsWalky 06:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Furman intended to call Emirate Xaaron a plot of land?

It's a made-up Cybertron-style 'corruption' of a familiar word. That this also happens to be a real word is just as irrelevant as it is with Emirate.

You can leave it spelled this way for the template- you're quotign the movie after all, not what came after- but I feel strongly that if there is an article, it should be called Imperial Majestrix. -Derik 06:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Quit using that completely irrelevant argument! If there were a prominent non-Emirate title for Xaaron, we'd give it to him! But we don't. However, we DO have a non-crazy title for the Imperial Magistrate, both in the original source and in one of the adaptations of that source, cementing its terminology and spelling. --ItsWalky 06:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Darksyde then. Furman chose to replace the boring, vanilla term from the movie is something more interesting and unique, regardless how many instances you can find of the boring, vanilla spelling... the creative intentional spelling wins out. -Derik 06:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

He... did not choose anything. You have no proof of that. Unless you're suggesting that he also figgered Prime saying "indigenous creatures" was boring too and decided to call all humans dirty hobos instead because it's more interesting. Please, please, Derik, just stop. --ItsWalky 07:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

You're calling it an error out of abject ignorance, because Furman has never heard the word magistrate before. That sounds really stupid to me. It sounds much more likely he decided to give it a nifty alien title that's kinda-sorta-close-enough that it could be what the prosecutor was saying in the movie.

I can't prove that my interpretation is true- but you're comparing confusing a common word (magistrate) and a word so obscure it might as well be made up with (majestrix) with confusing two medium-common words, (indigenous and indigent). That feels like a false comparison to me, especially since Imperial Majestrix is a proper-name job title for an alien culture, and that's a likely candidate for a made-up title. (Like Emirate!)

Admittedly I haven't gone drinking with with Furman. If he's privately told you he has a huge leather fetish, and thus the term majestrix could easily come tripping off his tongue, then by all means I concede the point. But if that's not the case- I think he was trying to make up a word, and just happened to pick one that already meant something... a lot like Emirate. -Derik 07:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

No, dude. Chris Claremont is the one with the huge leather fetish. -hx 15:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

...Wierdly enough I actually had the phrase 'Like Chris Claremont' in the original draft, but I deleted it because I didnt' think anyone would get it. -Derik 21:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm lost - how is majestrix a "creative spelling" of magistrate? Are we supposed to be pronouncing them same way? --KilMichaelMcC 07:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

'cuz between the flanging and diction of the persecutor reading the line in the movie, it's vaguely possible he's actually saying Majestrix. So this isn't supposed to be some new title Furman is forcing on the role- it's supposed to be what the line in the movie says.

(Or it is admittedly possible Furman just couldn't make the line out through the aforementioned flanging and just thought it was a made-up alien title.) -Derik 07:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I haven't watched the movie in a while, but, to my recollection it at least sorta sounds like "Magestrix", if not a lot like it. Also, Walky, Majestrix (with a j) is a pretty well-known title among comics geeks, since that's what the Shi'Ar empress Lilandra is always referred to as. I don't know if that's where the word originated, but, it's not uncommon for it to be applied to other (female) figures of governmental authority. Granted, Quintesson judges do not seem to be female. But it's not a word that must have been "made up" just for Space Pirates. It's a word that I'm sure existed in Furman's head long before he applied it to a Quint because of its use in X-Men and other comics. Anyway, like Derik says, I don't really care which word is used in the template, but, I think you guys are -- again -- jumping the gun on assuming that something Derik did is totally retarded. --Steve-o 14:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Usually, that is a safe assumption to make, sir. -hx 15:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

True. For instance, I avoid Chris Claremont's X-men like the plague and had no idea Majestrix was already a royal title in sci-fi. I was just being difficult.-Derik 21:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Steve-o, if you have some sort of handbook that will tell me ahead of time which of Derik's contributions are made up and which are taken from some obscure material he refuses to source, that'd be great, because it really sucks to have to waste thirty freaking Talk page posts to determine which it is EVERY SINGLE TIME. --ItsWalky 19:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

"Wah wah, I don't want the wiki to find consensus through collaborative argument! I want a benevolent dictatorship where our munificent leader can share the gaps in his knowledge with us all!" -Derik 21:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

No, you clown. We just want you to FUCKING SOURCE THINGS WHEN YOU SAY THEM. -hx 21:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC) (also, can we get a Template: Derik, that would warn us of his contributions?)

Let me get this straight Hoop- you want a footnote... in the fucking template? Or was my 'the title is spelled out as Majestrix in Space Pirates' in the edit memo not sourced enough? Walky read it. He dismissed the spelling despite me having said where it was from, not because I failed to. Sourced! Scourced! I did fuckin' source it. -Derik 22:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

While I appreciate the one shining moment in your life where you *did* source something correctly, in the future I feel that myself as well as every other motherfucker up in this piece would appreciate it if you did so on a regular basis. Put it on the Talk page. Put it in the edit notes. Put it in invisible quotes. Just cite the damn source. Also, I love that you just misspelled "sourced" immediately after spelling it correctly. -hx 02:30, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I shouldn't be laughing at that. It's wrong. --Rotty 21:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Broken deletion category problem

Well, the deletion category function seems to be broken again. (Or perhaps the problem from earlier this year was not actually fixed?) Why does a page (such as "Talk:Baru") for which I add in the template {{Delete}}" not show up in "[[Category:To be deleted]]"?

Also, I just realized that after more than 15 years, we have "Template:Delete" as a redirect to "Template:Tobedeleted". Is this supposed to be so? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 07:14, 10 October 2024 (EDT)

Tobedeleted has ALWAYS been the main template; delete is just a shorthand version of it. As for the bug, it seems like it only affects talk pages. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 08:25, 10 October 2024 (EDT)

I have fixed the bug which was caused by a change to Messagebox. --abates (talk) 15:05, 10 October 2024 (EDT)