Editing Talk:Shockwave (Movie)

Anyone care to get a picture of his altmodes? [[User:Felancer Prime|Felancer Prime]] 00:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Dark of the Moon ==

Not really a rumor: [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-3-Push-Pops-Readers-Digest/dp/0794423094/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287431242&sr=1-7] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:11, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
:Whoops. Anon said it was a rumor, so... I took it as such. Don't worry, I'll put it back in. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:21, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
::Technically that isn't the type of thing that would be in the "Notes" section. Neither is the "Shockwave will be the main villain in The Dark of the Moon. That should be in the "Fiction" section. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:27, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Uh, no it isn't. Fiction covers fiction. Not news about fiction. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:28, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
::::News about fiction? I didn't think the wiki did that. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:33, 18 October 2010 (EDT)

Shouldn't Dark of the Moon version of Shockwave have his own article? I don't he's the same Shockwave we know from Transformers: The Game. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:08, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

:Sorry for updating my previous message. I wrote accidently Starfield's user name. But it's fixed now--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:08, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::The Optimus Prime from the G1 cartoon isn't the same as the Optimus Prime from Hearts of Steel, but they don't have separate articles.  Generally speaking, no character gets more than one article per continuity family. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:43, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah. We might have to refocus the article on the DOTM portrayal, but there's little point in separating out the game version. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:39, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::::There is precedent for separating out a video game character with a later major motion picture character in [[Sideswipe (Movie)]] and [[Sideswipe (ROTF)]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:13, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Which leads me to ask why those are separated in the first place. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:03, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::Looks like the talk page was lost. There was a discussion on it. I was against separate articles. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:18, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I thought I remembered a discussion there! I think it was a case of [[author intent]] trumping the lack of canon. Not sure that that is a good guide in situations like this, though. A video game is not always developed as a piece of fiction (which we are treating them as). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:39, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::The situations are different. The fundamental concept of both versions of Shockwave is the same. The Sideswipes are... two guys with the same name, one without much of a personality. If you wanted to merge the two, I don't think anybody would really care at this point. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:39, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Agreed Interrobang, I mean they're both purple one-eyed Decepticon scientists. Who's to say he didn't pay a visit to Earth before 2011, I mean we barely saw what the Autobots did before getting to the Hoover Dam... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:52, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We don't have to try to make the events of a video game fit in with the movies.  The events of the video games already don't fit in with the movies.  Shockwave didn't have to pay a visit to earth 2011 for him to make sense on this page, it just means in one microcontinuity he did something differently than in most.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::If the 3D Battle Card Swerve and the ROTF Sideswipe retool Swerve can be considered Swerve, I really see no reason why the Shockwave from the first movie's tie-in games and this Shockwave can't be considered the same. And I believe the same thing for the first PSP game's Sideswipe and ROTF Sideswipe. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:04, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

Wikipedia says his toy is a Voyager and is a Cybertronian tank.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:03, 24 January 2011 (EST)
:Wikipedia does not keep to the same stringent requirements that we do for sources. No official sources have said what his toy will be, so we WILL NOT LIST IT. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:12, 24 January 2011 (EST)
:This very wiki is ''unofficial''!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:20, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Have we ever claimed that this wiki was ''official'' in the first place? And how many times have we said about citing official sources when it comes to upcoming materials? Wikipedia doesn't count, and even they have to cite official sources at a later point. Why do you think their articles occasionally have "citation needed" marks next to certain phrases? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:12, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:I really don't get how you can't put unofficial stuff on an unofficial website, but OK, I'll follow the rules. Sorry for any problems.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:09, 27 January 2011 (EST)
::While the website is unofficial, it is our policy to only cover official material. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:29, 27 January 2011 (EST)
:::Then makes me wonder about [[Unofficial conventions]].—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 16:11, 1 February 2011 (EST)
::::Ad [[BotCon 2004]].—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 16:12, 1 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Those are significantly different.  Those aren't unofficial, stolen Transformers information, they're unofficial fan gatherings, one of which later became an OFFICIAL fan gathering. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:35, 1 February 2011 (EST)
Are we still saying the "mysterious robot" that cameoed in ROTF is the same Shockwave that will be in DOTM? It doesn't look like the same guy. Maybe we have to wait and see if it is plausible for him to have been on Earth in 2009. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:23, 16 February 2011 (EST)