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| ==Good job!==
| | *'''[[User talk:Jeysie/Archive|Archive 1]]''' - General praise, [[Gorlam Prime]] pics, Fanfiction, [[Transformers Collectors' Club|Fan Club]] chit-chat, [[Main Page]] tweaks, and [[:Category:Image templates|screencap template]] drop-downs |
| Well, dang. You and FortMax really took care of the missing images in short order. Kudos! It's really helpful!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]]<sup>[[User talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]]</sup> 00:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
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| :Yeah, you're awesome! I used your list to feed the 'bot. ^_^ --[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
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| ::You're welcome. :) Although the big thanks really goes to Mendel's lists from Wikia and Opera's Links panel. :> --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
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| ==Gorlam Prime==
| | *'''[[User talk:Jeysie/Archive2|Archive 2]]''' - A whole lotta [[Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]-related discussion, image template menu creating, thoughts on continuities, [[Sentinel Major]] discussion, and reflections on my bitchiness, among other minor things. |
| Thanks for uploading that. I'll probably upload a second one of the inhabitants in their transitional state once I dig my scanner out. At least now there's a "before" image of the planet to keep folks from sticking the "after" image up there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]]<sup>[[User talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]]</sup> 14:56, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
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| :Not a problem. :) As for the transitional state of the actual inhabitants (I was kind of wondering if that was what you were really going for, but decided the planet pic would work better for the moment), I can upload that one too if that would make things easier for you. I'm not sure where to put it myself, though. I'm thinking either the intro or the SL:Nightbeat section would need expanding somehow? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:16, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
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| ::I'm actually fairly unconcerned if such a pic extends into the Spotlight:Hardhead paragraph, as that's a bit that touches on their evolution too. I was thinking of scanning the frame from Spotlight:Nightbeat where he's just looking at the cyborg inhabitants walking by.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]]<sup>[[User talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]]</sup> 15:25, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
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| :::Works for me, then. I figured that was the frame you had in mind. *goes off to work on it* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:40, 11 October 2008 (EDT)
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| ==Fanfiction== | | == Plush Lizard needs own page? == |
| Hey. I noticed on your user page that you write fanfiction as well. Do you have a link to your stories? It would be nice to read something decent without having to dig through all the crap on fanfiction.net to get to it. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 00:52, 27 November 2008 (EST)
| | Stumbled upon the Plush Lizard entry while looking over [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 24]]. I see there are five issues of "Plush Lizard", but none of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Winslow The Winslow]. |
| :Heh, sure... well, I hope it's decent, anyway. FF.net: [http://www.fanfiction.net/~Jeysie] There's a few extra ones on my DA page, too: [http://jeysie.deviantart.com/gallery/#Fanfic] (though I definitely don't guarantee the non-TF ones necessarily actually being good, since they're old), and my Mosaic scripts (with links to the end result comics in the comments): [http://jeysie.deviantart.com/gallery/#Scripts]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:32, 27 November 2008 (EST)
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| == The main page ==
| | Of the five listing [[plush lizard]], the one on [[Rubber Ducky]] ties it to [[Ego]]... but from Ego's page, one has to go to [[I, Lowtech]] to find out about said plush... and [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/I%2C_Lowtech#Real-world_references all the gory details]. |
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| You're the one that made our main page, right? The recovered version needs fixing. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:58, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
| | On an unrelated note, do User names expire? Because I could have sworn I had one on... one... of these TFwiki pages. |
| :I'll see what I can get done to it. (Sorry, was in power page-saving mode yesterday.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:36, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
| | :We've been known to catalog all sorts of minor things, even if they're blatantly just references. So... while it is indeed a silly reference, there's no particular reason not to link to and create a page here on this wiki, with a note about said reference at the bottom. |
| ::Thanks for the recovery, but a little thing I noticed... the <nowiki>[''view'']</nowiki> link that takes you immediately to the day's page is missing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 10:35, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
| | :As for usernames, they don't expire that I know of... if you can remember your username and password, you should be able to log in. If you can't, I'd try contacting one of the admins to see if they can help. (Possibly [[User:abates|abates]], he's one of the more tech-saavy ones.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:09, 6 July 2010 (EDT) |
| :::It's hard to tell without having the original wikicode, but IIRC that's actually something to do with the "This Day in History" template itself rather than the Main Page... i.e. Derik did something where the template shows the View link if the date page is on the Main Page/transcluded anywhere (whichever is the case).
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| :::Either that, or I remembered the code wrong in how to transclude the date pages.
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| :::So I'd ask him about it first. If it turns out I did misremember something, let me know and I'll fix it - I just want to make sure our templates are fully restored. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:49, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
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| I'm sure others will echo this, but your restoration efforts are hugely appreciated, despite the small snags mentioned just above. I only wish I'd had the time and knew what I was doing (a little experimention proved neither was true) in order to help.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:08, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
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| ::You're more than welcome... I'm rather proud of what we've all built here, so anything I can do to help save it, I'll gladly do.
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| ::Plus... I consider recoding the Main Page specifically to be a favor to me as well... call me biased, but I like my restructure way better than the stuck-in-the-90s-on-Geocities-esque Wikia structure. (I dunno if it's the absolute best Main Page design we could have, but I do think it's at least a big improvement over what we did have.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:49, 18 March 2009 (EDT) | |
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| == Because seriously, holy crap. ==
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| This is the second time you've stepped up in a big way to help the wiki, so you most certainly deserve this. Consider it a slightly more nerdy barnstar.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 23:21, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
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| :Ooo, nerdy is good. :D But thanks, I'm always happy to help (and let's just say that it's nice to be somewhere that being helpful is appreciated). --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:55, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
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| ==Fan Club stories==
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| I wanted to respond to what you were saying on [[Talk:Mech]], but the discussion has gotten tangential enough that it's not worth adding more to that already-cluttered page. You expressed surprise that your opinion about term-usage in the Fan Club stories generated the strong responses it got. And I do think that your interpretation of the Fan Club fiction's place in the grand scheme is not uncommon, but that's also why a lot of folks (myself included) quickly jump to its defense. Since the very first BotCon comic, people have been dismissing the relevance of fan-club/convention material in all sorts of contexts, so we few who care are on an endless crusade to school the unenlightened in the egalitarian ways of TF canonicity. It's hard to imagine smaller potatoes than the "mech" debate, but for us it's very much a principle-of-the-thing thing. Especially since there are Fan Club content creators here (again, myself included), it's always going to be a tender spot. Sorry you had to wander into the line of that fire when you thought you were in light, completely non-controversial territory. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 03:57, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
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| ::I think it's one of those things where what I'm used to in other scifi fandoms tends to clash with how TF does things. In any other fandom, stuff written by fans for an official fanclub just wouldn't be considered near as "important" as anything written by the official creators.
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| ::I mean, like I said, it's no surprise that a group of fans go and write fanon terminology into a story once they get the chance. I don't even have a problem with that as a general principle. But from an information standpoint, it ends up being, you're writing your own citation. It's technically official, sure, but it's... weird.
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| ::But this was a small thing. It's really more stuff like the Primus thing that bugs me. I mean, I don't have a problem with fanclub stuff being canon for the most part, because usually it doesn't affect anything. What's one more continuity off doing its own thing in a franchise that already has a billion of them, right?
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| ::It's when you have niche fanclub stuff written by fans busy trying to retcon stuff written by other writers in "mainstream" stories that it gets annoying, and I'll wager that's the exact sort of circumstance where most other fans' dismissal comes in, too.
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| ::I mean, it doesn't hurt anything to say Shattered Glass is canon because it doesn't make a difference to anything else, and I doubt you'll see most fans complain about that sort of thing. But when someone's saying stuff like, "Well, the Movie and Animated both ''have'' to have Primus 'cause of this retcon written by a paid fan that about 1% of the TF fandom has read..." ...yeah. *shrugs a bit*
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| ::Of course, being a bit of a continuity purist who thinks that, if you have to allow retcons, only that continuity's writers should get to do so, affects my own thinking a little. If something like the upcoming "Thirteen" story from IDW goes and retcons every continuity into having the same origin, that would bug me a lot, too. It's just that, since it'd be written by a pro writer for a mainstream release, it would have enough weight that one would ''have'' to pay attention to it, even if you hate the idea.
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| ::I don't consider any of this to be an insulting thing at all, I should note - I rather like some of the fanclub stuff I've gotten to see, and I'm sorely tempted to drop some money to get to read the rest of it even though I don't care about the club toy stuff. It's just a matter of practicality and being realistic about market share and clout. (Although admittedly there ''is'' a little bit of awareness of the risk of "[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RunningTheAsylum Running the Asylum]" problems.)
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| ::There's also the fact that the wiki's declaration of everything being canon is (for the moment, at least) nothing but our own treatment on the matter. So you're schooling people in how the ''wiki'' does things, not in any official stance. | |
| ::In any case... sorry I got off from the "mech" topic there, but I honestly didn't really care about that specifically... this is just all the sort of thoughts in my head that generated my opinion on the matter. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:49, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
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| :::No, no, it's not your fault that the Talk:Mech conversation segued into a tangent; it was a tangent that the rest of us jumped on because we care about it. For what it's worth, the everything-with-Hasbro's-stamp-is-canon idea is a fair bit older than this wiki. I started participating in the online fandom around 1998, and I think it already had currency by then. Those of us who have been championing it see it as the only objectively logical position to take with a property whose creators have never made any declarations on the matter. For example, the question of what counts as a "pro" writer versus a "fan" writer gets murky very quickly. And the question of distribution is dicey as well, since this is a worldwide property with all sorts of different markets that get all sorts of different material. We aren't interested in making judgement calls about whether various obscure releases are too small to count. Using the Hasbro brand as a standard is simple and easy and the farthest thing from arbitrary that we can get.
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| :::On yet another tangent, I ''do'' agree somewhat with your thoughts on retcons and how we treat them, though that has nothing to do with Fan-Club officiality. Some time back, PacifistPrime suggested that allowing a retcon to run roughshod over a past series actually violates our everything-is-canon standard because it doesn't protect the integrity of that series in its own right. In most cases, this is a very academic distinction, but I've seen a couple of cases where I felt that particular hackle get raised. Sometimes I wonder, if each of us had absolute control over the wiki in parallel universes, how different would our wikis look?
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| :::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
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| ::::I think the problem is: on the one hand, there's canon as in, the difference between what's official and what's fanfic. On that note I have no problem with our "anything with the Hasbro brand on it is official" philosophy. But there's also canon as in "what's true (or must be true) for a given storyline", and that's where the real questions lie.
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| ::::My philosophy tends to be: Anything that that the storyline's writers (or designated "storyline keepers") have as true for that storyline is such, including being able to retcon their own work. Additionally, they don't have to care about what's true for any other storyline unless they want to.
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| ::::So, Sunbow is its own thing. Marvel US and UK are their own separate thing. ''The Arrival'' is in canon with the Animated cartoon because the comic's writer is the same as the cartoon's head writer and has declared it all as such. AHM unfortunately retcons stuff in the -ations and ''Megatron Origin'' because the IDW "overseers" have declared it's all in the same storyline. And so on. Here the question of what's more important than what doesn't apply, because everything's only messing with itself, so to speak.
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| ::::Then we have where stuff starts overlapping. For instance, Beast Wars takes parts of Sunbow and Marvel as its past. And TransTech takes bits of everything as part of itself. But can BW and TransTech go and retroactively change the series it's borrowing from? I personally would say no. Some other people might say yes. However, this is still pretty easy to reconcile, as you can always treat it as splinter/different continuities. The question of importance still doesn't really apply.
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| ::::But then we get to the real messiness of stuff like Wreckers and possibly the Thirteen doing retcons to '''all''' of the continuities. And that's when something just has to give. That's when there has to be some kind of "weight" hierarchy. If Wreckers and The Thirteen give two different retcons, which do we pay more attention to? If the Movie or Animated end up doing their own thing with their origins, do we get to say that the retcon has been retconned, or do we have to do "Well, Primus still exists even though he's completely pointless now because he's neither Cybertron nor the TFs creator" sort of mental gymnastics? And so on.
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| ::::I should note that this all has absolutely nothing to do with questions of quality, by the way. I think ''Cheap Shots'' is cool, but it's still on the "fanclub" level for me. I think AHM is terrible, but it's still on the "official for the comics" level for me. Van Reyk and Knowler might be ascended fans, but the IDW folks declared their Jazz story as part of the IDWverse, so it has more weight than the fanclub stuff. And so on. Which is why I said I don't consider my assessments thereof to be insulting in any way.
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| ::::(No I don't spend silly amounts of my free time pondering this sort of thing, why do you ask? :P)--[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:14, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
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| :::::Right there with you on pretty much all of that (except, of course, the default lower-hierarchy status of the Fan Club stuff). I've debated the one-Unicron idea here before, and from those discussions I've gathered that the general opinion on multiversal retcons is a hierarchy of chronology. If "The Thirteen" presents an entirely new Unicron/Primus paradigm, it will supersede the existing one by dint of being more recent. My personal strategy, if I were in charge, would be to resist ''any'' multiversal retcons as strongly as possible; for instance, I suggested framing the current Unicron paradigm as "Ramjet's story" in [[Unicron]], the way that everything that came before it is documented as "So-and-so's story". I cut my TF-debate teeth with the likes of [[Raksha]] and Skyfire, old G1 purists who were bucking the BW tide, and one of my favorite arguments against their BW-hate was that BW wasn't ''doing'' anything to their beloved old cartoons. Their tapes were still there on their shelves, exactly as they always had been. That principle led me to conceive of TF continuity as ever forward-moving, not backward. This philosophy became even more relevant when BM came along, and many BW fans were up in arms about what they saw as unforgivable changes to the characters and cosmology. My philosophy recognized that BM did incorporate BW events into its own backstory, but BW could still be viewed in its own bubble independent of BM's retcons. Was the Matrix-dimension actually something called the AllSpark? From the perspective of BM, yes; from the perspective of BW, not necessarily. That spirit is what I would ideally see preserved in this wiki, even in the face of ever-more-ambitious retcons. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:48, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
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