User talk:Jeysie/Archive2

SG Fixit

What does he actually DO? And what's he like? ---Blackout- 14:42, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

He's a medic. One who's implied to be competent, unlike Ratchet, but he doesn't fix people for free. Rodimus mentions him near the end of the story. --Jeysie 14:53, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

Thank you. ---Blackout- 15:16, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

SG Deathsaurus redirect.

It doesn't work. ---Blackout- 10:10, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
Scratch that, works now. ---Blackout- 10:11, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

Since you're on a SG GoBox kick

I've uploaded the template I used to do the two SG GoBoxes I uploaded waaay back. I didn't use it for Ravage because it would have ruined the joke, but thought you might find the file useful.--Rosicrucian^Talk 13:32, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

That's pretty cool/handy, thanks! :) --Jeysie 15:11, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

SG Drill Powerdasher

Did you just copy and paste most of the SG Skyfall page to make the SG Drill Powerdasher page? Because the articles are almost identical, save for the caption and the trivia section (or the lack of thereof). ---Blackout- 12:02, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, pretty much. Didn't see much of a point in spending time trying to write up something unique when they both have the exact same role in their cameo anyway, so I cheated. --Jeysie 12:23, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

Disambig sandbox

Do you mind if I re-create this sandbox and its Talk page? I think it's pretty valuable information, and clearly still relevant. - Jackpot 00:43, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Knock yourself out... although now that we have subpages enabled on other namespaces, we could probably put it at "Help:Disambiguation/Franchises" or something... --Jeysie 10:40, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Maybe. I'm not sure on how the whole subpage etiquette works, so I'm just putting the sandbox back where it started from for now. - Jackpot 03:18, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

Spoilers

Sorry about that ... wasn't thinking. Thanks for catching my mistake and fixing it.--Jimsorenson 17:53, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

Scaleface = mignash

Yeah, turns out Scaleface on TFW2005 is the same person as mignash. I wasn't sure, but the "custom Shattered Glass bios" he posted on the Allspark are exactly the same as the ones he posted in a similar topic in TFW2005.

Mystery solved. *takes off Nightbeat hat* ---Blackout- 06:10, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

I had thought it might be based on the birthday being the same, but good to know for sure. *mutters something about being a nice sane person who uses the same or slightly similar nick everywhere...* --Jeysie 09:36, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

SG Leader-1

I know you're probably getting tired of me putting messages on your talk pages titled "SG (insert character here)", but why did you turn SG Leader-1 into a redirect?

Also, I know you probably got an edit conflict when you did that; that was me trying to create an article. ---Blackout- 14:14, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

Because there's zero to actually write about him. With folks like Fixit and Dead End we at least have some info to put, even if it's just a tiny factoid. And Blitzwing will get written up whenever the next text story comes out. But the SG GoBots other than Crasher are just random scenery. They're basically just generics. (And yes I realize we have pages for folks like Krok and Overlord, but there actually was discussion of making just a single "minor characters article" and turning those pages into redirects too.)

And to answer your other question... that list is basically a to-do list to help me get the SG stuff up-to-date with whatever fiction is already out. Blitzwing at least has a picture to give him a not-completely-useless stub, but Thunderwing doesn't have anything. So, I'll deal with it whenever that text story comes out. --Jeysie 17:07, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

We actually had a "minor Shattered Glass characters article", but it was nuked because the only character in it was (oh the irony) Leader-1. ---Blackout- 13:29, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

Well, if someone wanted to recreate it with the various background cameos like Quake & Krok & whatnot—basically anyone who gets a no-line cameo or a namedrop with no useful info (like Chromedome or Metroplex)—with the individual name articles as categorized redirects, I'd be all in favor of that. But I was just kind of sitting there trying to think of how to write up a new article for Leader-1 and realizing there's really literally nothing to say about him. --Jeysie 13:38, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

METROPLEX????? ---Blackout- 15:39, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

Around Cybertron#Notes. --Jeysie 20:08, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

Hey you

Hoy. You seem to have your ducks in a row. Would you be interested in developing a template-insert menu for file upload? There's an itty-bitty one that loads up now if you've got Kired Tools (the bit using the Chapters template) but it's ultimately constrained by its need for adhere to wiki-friendly text. If the HTML were written directly... it could be a LOT more functional. -Derik 05:20, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

So, a pure-HTML menu of image template links? I think I can probably figure something out. Let me pick at it, and I'll drop what I come up with on your user page. --Jeysie 06:18, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

Ja ja, I was thinking of a framework to make development go faster though... do you happen to have access to a web server? -Derik 06:50, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

Er, well, I have personal webspace with PHP & mySQL abilities, but no full access to a server. (I don't know anything more "advanced" than HTML and CSS, though.)

What sort of framework did you need, though? The menu in this case would likely just be a plain ol' list with CSS enhancements, really. --Jeysie 06:55, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

Here... unrar this, and throw both files on your server somewhere, then add the following to your .js file.

document.write('<' + 'script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="');
document.write('http://www.yourdomain.com/dirname/jeysie_script.php');
document.write('"></' + 'script' + '>');

Now any changes you make to the jeysie_uploadmenu.html file on your server will show up in the upload menu here. You can take advantage of the mediawiki javascript functions, testing is much easier, and (by adding the same code to my .js file) I can see your changes live.

• You load the PHP file off your own server as if it was a .js file.
• The PHP file loads the .html, runs it through a filter that escapes everything and , then outputs a single line of javascript code saving this enormous string it as the javascript variable "kt_jeysie_uploadMenu".
• The KiredTools scripts are already looking for this variable and (if it's set) will append it at the top of a an upload page.
• So you can edit the .html on your server without cluttering recentChanges, but the changes will show up live here, alongside all the existing scripts, etc.

It saves having to think about all that nasty escaping, just have PHP do it! (Anyway, *I* think it's much faster to develop this way.) -Derik 14:54, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

Er, well... like I said, the HTML itself will be nothing more than a plain old list. All the real functionality will be done in the CSS file and possibly in a Behavior file to get IE6 to work. That sort of thing is pretty much overkill when editing the list itself will consist of nothing more than sticking in extra LIs.

Heck, technically you could probably make it an editable plain old wiki page, as you could just stick regular list wikicode in a DIV with a class for CSS purposes. Then just embed that page. --Jeysie 15:35, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

The one there is already editable... it loads from User:Derik/Sandbox10. But that limits you to the kind of markup mediawiki allows. -Derik 16:46, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

Blitzwing Bop

Is Blitzwing Bop out already? ---Blackout- 01:34, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Nope. "When is Blitzwing Bop coming out?" has been the question du jour on the TFCC forums for a while now. :3 Only Sipher and Trent know the answer to that one... --Jeysie 01:40, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Then what's with Mirage magically appearing on the Shattered Glass toyline and repurposing pages, and Camshaft getting a toy? ---Blackout- 01:41, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

The latest TFCC issue. Mirage shows up in Around Cybertron, while Camshaft shows up in Reunification: Part 5. (I haven't gotten my own issue yet, so I dunno much details other than that.) --Jeysie 01:46, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Once again I note that TFCC magazine material has a 30-day grace period before we can address its contents in our wiki. --ItsWalky 01:52, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Stating that a character exists, or their general personality/looks apparently doesn't seem to be a problem. When I made absolute bare-bones SG Terrorcon and Ratbat pages (unsure of how much was too much), people added information to them afterwards before the 30-days was up. And in this case I just ported over to related pages information that people had already added. So... don't look at me on this one, basically, if there is a problem. (Nor have I told Blackout anything sekrit here, as making Featured Characters lists for TFCC issue stories ahead of time hasn't been an issue either.) --Jeysie 02:09, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Heh, I knew there was something weird about Remote Patrol Six. ---Blackout- 12:28, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

User:Bzero

You do know that I'm the one who fed him to Grimlock, right? ---Blackout- 06:09, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Of course. It was more of a general statement of people who have been fed to Grimlock for annoying things rather than me personally always doing it. I'm more than willing to have some helpers. (If other folks can have pet annoying things, I can have pet annoying things, I figure.) --Jeysie 06:21, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Well, question answered, time to go back to spending my time reading the RC and going over stuff on old Wikipedia vandals. (No, really.) ---Blackout- 06:30, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

SG Prime article update

I dare you to upload a pic of SG Prime flinging Warpath into Hound. We have to record that for posterity's sake. ---Blackout- 14:52, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Because of how close-up the "shot" is framed it's actually not hugely visually exciting, IMHO, but: http://miscfile.alienharmony.com/TakingOutRemotePatrolSix%20Reunification5.jpg --Jeysie 15:27, 7 November 2009 (EST)

Despite it being close-up, it's still pretty good. ---Blackout- 06:09, 8 November 2009 (EST)

If you want to upload and find a home for it, be my guest. --Jeysie 13:43, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Thanks. Warpath (SG) seems to be the best home for it. I already saved it to my computer, just like a billion other images I hang onto of pure boredom. ---Blackout- 13:47, 8 November 2009 (EST)

A-and it's uploaded, copyright-tagged, and present on Hound (SG) and Warpath (SG). Should probably add it to Optimus Prime (SG) sometime later. ---Blackout- 14:26, 8 November 2009 (EST)

Question

Did SG Starscream get a new form in Eye in the Sky? There's a guy who looks like Energon Starscream on the cover, which makes me think "OMG! it's SG STARSCREAM'S EARTH FORM!!!11" ---Blackout- 14:57, 17 November 2009 (EST)

Well, I see everyone explained that he didn't on his page, so I suppose I'll explain why he didn't: The ship's reformatting matrix and the remaining pods on the ship got busted, and he and Cliffjumper of course didn't get their own stasis pods because they remained on board when everyone else escaped. Not a big deal for Cliffjumper obviously, but Starscream seems to be stuck as permanent Mission Control since he can't get an Earth mode (for the moment, at least). --Jeysie 18:19, 17 November 2009 (EST)

Wikipedia

Thanks for fixing up my formatting. I had no idea we had a websites category.--Jimsorenson 13:14, 28 January 2010 (EST)

No problem. :) It's one of our more obscure categories, as it doesn't have many articles to go in it, so I'm not surprised you didn't know about it. --Jeysie 13:24, 28 January 2010 (EST)

Continuities

I've posted something over on my user page about my thoughts on the G1 continuity family. I would appreciate your feedback before taking it fully public as I think some of your comments and ideas parallel mine. Khajidha 14:18, 14 February 2010 (EST)

Ehh... not really, to be honest. Well, I mean, I could maybe see coming up with a name to refer to "non-BW G1" for anyone who appears in multiple G1-franchise continuities but never BW-franchise ones, if the distinction ever needs to be made. But I don't really think it does, since considering that 99% of G1 characters don't show up in BW, that's the "default" anyway.

The only reason I was leery of calling the IDW Swarm "G1" is because the G2 Swarm also has shown up in G1 stories, and came first, thus leading to potential confusion for editors and readers trying to keep the parentheticals straight while linking and reading.

But in situations where you don't have to worry about that sort of clashing, I don't really see how pre- and post-BW matters. BW is pretty much a "spin-off sequel" franchise doing its own thing. No future G1 continuity is beholden to worry about it any more than they're beholden to worry about events in, say, Classics (also a spin-off sequel) or some such. --Jeysie 15:29, 14 February 2010 (EST)

Danke

Thanks for contributing to the whole Sentinel Major discussion, and digging up that first Wittenrich quote. I think I'd go slagging nuts if I was the only one on that side of the argument.-- Ayellowbirds 21:37, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

No problem.

Honestly, I wouldn't even worry overmuch about Sorenson's opinion anyway. Sorenson is the guy who recently tried claiming that Classics Killzone and Alignment Killzone were the same character even though there was no canon evidence and the author who created Classics Killzone even bluntly and flatly stated they're not the same. (Plus a long string of similar incidents.) You're never gonna convince him.

I'll be more interested to see what happens when people who don't keep trying to put their fan theories on the wiki offer their thoughts. --Jeysie 21:42, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

But... Alignment isn't even canon, right? There's an amusing irony in a professional writer attacking authorial intent as being valid, especially considering that intent is really the only way you can say that two characters are meant to be treated as the same.

I think I'm developing a fondness for Sentinel Major solely based on how much I had to argue for him! Hopefully I can help to make the article a great one, once enough time has passed to edit it. Ayellowbirds 22:06, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

He basically thought that the Classics appearance had "canonized" the Alignment character, even though the Classics character was never meant to be the same guy.

And yeah, I don't get a pro author being against authorial intent either, in the cases when there's no canon to contradict it. It's like some weird form of self-loathing. --Jeysie 22:40, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Oh, is this the Talk About Other Editors section? Me next! Me next! Man, fuck that Jeysie. She's a bitch, y'know? --ItsWalky 22:45, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Considering that Jim was calling me daft, silly, and intimated that I wasn't using my brain, I think saying that his behavior is amusingly ironic isn't that harsh. Especially since I'm doing it in response to something Jeysie said on her talk page, rather than on an article's discussion page as Jim did when responding to me. -- Ayellowbirds 23:00, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

On top of that, when a previous discussion ties directly into a current one being discussed, like this one does, why yes, it gets brought up. Since Sorenson's claims in this instance exactly parallel the sort of claims he brought up in the other discussion, it makes sense to point them out, to forestall having someone who didn't know end up wasting their time in an argument trying to convince someone who likely won't be convinced.

Meanwhile, Walky, you show your usual ability here to bust into a conversation and throw your weight around with an attitude problem, saying things that show you didn't bother to find out what's actually going on first. So of course you think I'm a bitch, because you don't like the fact that I call you on it whenever you do it. As such, feel free to warned that you might go spend your time instead on someone who actually gives a shit what you think of them.

(Plus, you know, it's a publically-viewable wiki, so it's not like I'm talking about him behind his back. I also didn't say anything here I didn't already say to Sorenson in the other thread in question.) --Jeysie 23:02, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Really lacking in tact, no matter how you dress it up. --ItsWalky 23:09, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

As are you, generally, just with less excuse. Also, considering the guy tends to act completely obstinate and petty when one's trying to debate with him (an assessment even Detour agreed on), I'm afraid I feel not at all guilty about my lact of tact. I reserve being nice for people who can actually act reasonable in a debate and don't give me a splitting headache. --Jeysie 23:18, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Walky- Jim made personal attacks directed at me on an article's discussion page. Now, those were relatively mild insults, on the level of a parent talking down to a child (although, that's a bit more offensive to me personally than a cruder insult). I can't speak to what Jeysie said, but your use of curses would seem excessively harsh directed at anyone involved in this. In any case, I apologize to you if I've insulted you personally- it was not my intention. -- Ayellowbirds 00:08, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Leaving personal attacks aside for the moment, it's BECAUSE I'm a pro author that I give so little weight to authorial intent. It's a shared universe, with many many authors. What one author begins with can be (and often is) changed by subsequent authors. For instance, Ron Friedman didn't intend Unicron to be a dark god (or, for that matter, built by Primacron.) And yet, he was. Larry DiTillio always intended the Vok to be the source of all Transformer sparks, but that idea hasn't yet made it to the canon and has, in fact, been mostly contradicted by other sources. And, as a pro author, I can basically insert anything I want into the universe or draw any connection I see fit. I often do, in fact. Harrison Edsel and Mayor Edsel, for instance. People seem to like it when I do that, and I have no intention of stopping.

Also, what constitutes an author? A writer? A penciler? An inker? A colorist? The director? The storyboard artist? The letterer? The editor? The sound editor? You laugh, but any one of them can influence the canon. Nel Yomtov colors a character incorrectly and we have a new character (maybe.) The storyboard artist forgets to draw Dai Atlas into the Autobot council and all of the sudden he's not on it. Should we poll all of them?

It seems very clear to me that the foundation for authorial intent is very shaky.

As for everything else, I debate honestly and vigorously, but attempt to maintain civility regardless of how much I disagree with a person's viewpoint. --Jimsorenson 23:27, 7 April 2010 (EDT)

Thing is, in a shared universe, when another author comes in to change things, it generally gets changed in the canon. In those cases, I won't dispute that authorial intent doesn't matter, because it's what's actually stated in the canon that goes.

But when canon either doesn't specify or can be interpreted more than one way, then authorial intent comes into play. Except that you seem to tend to think we should ignore authorial intent in favor of your personal canon. Well... no, sorry, the author's canon takes precedence over fanon.

In this case and the Killzone case, there's no blatant canon similarity, so we go down a step to authorial intent. And since authorial intent exists in these cases, fan theories, whether yours or mine, have no place in it.

The only time fan theory ever comes into place is if the first two conditions don't exist. RID Side Burn's status in Shattered Glass is a good one here. There's nothing in canon that definitively states either way, except for hints that he's somehow strange. And a step down from that, Sipher and Troop have been deliberately mum on the subject. So we're left with going what fits the evidence best... and considering that he is portrayed as strange, he disappeared into an anomaly in a previous FunPub story in a similar manner to Cliffjumper, and FunPub very frequently likes to have all of its stories tied together whenever possible (plus IIRC, his altmode is actually the same in both stories)... there it actually makes some sense, for now, to assume that RID Side Burn is the one in SG, because there's more circumstantial evidence in favor than against until direct canon or authorial intent says otherwise.

And personally, I think an author constitutes an author. The artist's job is generally to help tell the story the writer created, not make up bits of the story himself. If the author meant one thing, and something not related to a change in the script shows different, I'd call it a mistake on the non-author's part. I mean, for instance, when in a Sunbow episode we see a blue-colored jet behaving like Skywarp, we don't say that the colorist got to rewrite part of the story so that Thundercracker temporarily changed personalities, we call it what it is: a coloring error where it was actually meant to be Skywarp.

You have a very annoying tendency to pretend to be obtuse and twist people's words around so you can try and create a loophole out of thin air that will prove you right. IMHO an "honest and vigorous" debater makes points against what someone actually said and meant. Or at least a successful one does... because if you're busy debating a point I didn't actually make, or based off what I didn't actually say, then I fail to see why you think that's going to convince me that my point is wrong.

Basically, free tip to anyone interested on debating with me: If you want to actually get somewhere with me, pay attention to what I say and address the points I actually make, as I'm more than willing to be proven wrong if that so happens. But if you're going to put your words in my mouth, ignore what I say, or make up your own point out of thin air to counter, then please feel free to go waste someone else's time. --Jeysie 00:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Addendum: This is all for wiki purposes, I should clarify. Where last I checked we're supposed to stick to things that are either canon or at worst pseudocanon, and not truck at all in fanon stuff. If you want your fanon to take precedence over authorial intent on your own personal time, you can do whatever you want. --Jeysie 00:05, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

I'm not going to get sucked into another debate with you, especially about the subject of how I interact with others. It's just too close to my heart to allow me to approach it with the level of professionalism I attempt to maintain. Nevertheless, I strongly disagree with both your characterization of my debating style and what the line is between a reasoned deduction and fanon. Please don't take my lack of response to your inevitable rebuttal to this to indicate agreement or assent.--Jimsorenson 00:16, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Well, I'm sorry, but I have to say that you do in fact do exactly what I have said you do. There's been quite a few times where I wanted to say in irritation that you know what the hell I mean, you're just pretending not to. And I'm hardly the only one to say you also come off as petty. So... I'll just say you should take away from this that, no matter how you intend your debating style to come off, what I described is what it actually is coming off as.

And, well, yes, it's apparent that when the canon evidence isn't there, you consider fanon speculation more important than author intent. But, as far as I know, the wiki doesn't, and I'm really tired of keeping having these sorts of go-arounds where people end up explaining to you yet again that your fanon doesn't matter when it comes what we put into wiki articles. (Follow Rosicrucian's good example and use an Allspark thread for fanon theories instead.) I hope you'll take that away from this too. --Jeysie 00:39, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Jim- I apologize if I personally have unduly insulted you. I will endeavor to avoid such behavior in the future, and I hope that everyone involved in this will extend the same courtesy to one another. To do otherwise is, I feel, detrimental to the upkeep of the wiki. -- Ayellowbirds 00:08, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Ayellowbirds, do not worry about it. I never felt insulted by any of your actions or statements, and really wasn't attempting to insult you at any point in the debate. I DID think that you were taking a silly POSITION, but I wasn't attempting to call YOU silly. If at any point I applied a statement like that to you, personally, and not your position, I apologize for that.--Jimsorenson 00:16, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Mouthing Off? Yes.

Yes, giving a response worded in a sarcastic, jackass way instead of a reasonable response to a serious point is mouthing off. Sorry if I'm sick and tired of having to listen to your attitude problem every time we have a debate because you can't turn off the snark and discuss something in a halfway reasonable manner.

It's good to know that you calling me a bitch is perfectly OK, but my calling you out on your constant attitude problem isn't, though. --Jeysie 15:20, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

Walky turns off the snarky snark a lot of the time. I can't say the same about you turning off the bitch. --FortMax 17:42, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

I'm only a bitch to people who act like moron or jackasses. If you don't want me to act like a bitch to you, don't act like a moron or jackass. That would definitely make me happy, I assure you, as personally I'd much rather get to engage in civil discussions with people who act reasonable. (I would point out that the wiki folks here who do act like reasonable human beings and know how to engage in discussions maturely don't typically complain about the way I act towards them.) --Jeysie 17:49, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

If you ask me, it's pretty silly to act like a bitch at all over the internet. Just my little opinion, don't mind me... --NCZ 17:51, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Social interaction is social interaction. Talking to someone on the internet who's acting like a jerk isn't any more enjoyable than talking to someone in person who's acting like one. Especially when I'm trying to do something that's supposed to be fun.

Personally, I fail to understand why I'm the one who always gets grief when I finally get tired of putting on a nicey face to someone acting like a jerk towards me, instead of, you know, the person acting like a jerk getting the grief. I don't act like a bitch because I enjoy it, I act like a bitch whenever I'm finally tired of putting up with someone giving me crap.

Meanwhile, when people don't give me crap, I don't act like a bitch. --Jeysie 18:11, 9 April 2010 (EDT)

Regarding TG Studios and the guy Walky banned

You may want to check this out.