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:''Cyclonus's Armada is one or more [[Decepticon]]s from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Cyclonus armada tftf.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Who cares if the President doesn't exist?  He's a great American!]]


{{disambig3|Armada}}
'''Cyclonus's Armada''' is the [[Decepticon]] or group thereof that [[Unicron]] put under [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]'s command. Any details beyond that are a contentious matter; it may be a single Cyclonus-lookalike, a squadron of them, or instead simply [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweep]]s. It may even be a group including those plus [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]! And don't even get us started on who the Cyclonus-bot(s) might've been created ''from.''
{{bigquote|And these shall be your minions: Scourge, the tracker, and his huntsmen, the Sweeps... Cyclonus, the warrior, and his armada.|[[Unicron]]|''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}


[[Image:Cyclonus armada tftf.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Who cares if the President doesn't exist?  He's a great American!]]
==Fiction==
===''Generation 1'' cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:Cycloni ffod5.jpg|thumb|The Armada that belongs to [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], NOT the [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] that belongs to ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]''.]]
 
When [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] agreed to submit himself to Unicron and be re-created as [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], Unicron also turned several fallen Decepticons into new warriors. He announced their names as he did so, first "Scourge the tracker and his huntsmen, the Sweeps" and then "Cyclonus the warrior and his armada". As Cyclonus was created, a duplicate of him could also be seen. But this doppelganger quickly disappeared and was rarely seen again. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
 
At least four jets of Cyclonus's design were seen on two occasions during an assault on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. [[:File:Cyclonus oddity armadaesque.jpg|One even sported a unique paint job which]], oddly, resembled [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]'s! {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}
 
{{note|It is possible to dismiss all of these duplicate Cyclonuses in the poorly-made "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]" as animation errors.}}
 
====IDW ''Transformers: The Animated Movie'' comic====
[[File:Armada idw20th boom.jpg|thumb|left|For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.]]


'''Cyclonus's Armada''' refers to the group of one <small>(or more)</small> seemingly identical robot created by Unicron at the same time as [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. The only one seen being created was derived from [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]].
A jet identical to Cyclonus was destroyed by a blast of [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]]'s fire-breath.<ref>Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with Galvatron inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.</ref> {{storylink|To the Death—and Beyond!}}


==Fiction==
====Rodimus vs. Cyclonus====
===Generation 1 cartoon===
Not long after their creation, Cyclonus and Scourge hunted down [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]], [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]], and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s while they fled from [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] to [[Junkion (planet)|the planet of Junk]]. The hunters split up, and Cyclonus found the [[Autobot]]s on his own. Boarding their ship, he fought with Hot Rod, who taunted him. Cyclonus responded bitterly, complaining about how he'd been overlooked and undervalued "all his lives"; he said that even Unicron had failed to deliver on his promise of personal troops. He was jealous of Scourge's Sweeps, and in fact when Scourge caught up with them, the two ended up fighting each other instead of the Autobots. {{storylink|Rodimus vs. Cyclonus}}
[[Image:Cycloni ffod5.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Five Cyclonuses in "Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5". Appropriate.]]
[[Unicron]] creates Cyclonus's Armada from [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}


At least four jets of Cyclonus's design take part in an assault on Cybertron, being seen on two occasions. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}
====Ask Vector Prime====
In an unstable [[Iocus]] reality created by the machinations of [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] and [[Gong (GoBots)|Gong]] wherein the [[Unicron War]] played out with [[GoBot]]s involved, [[Slicks]] was reformatted into the Armada, which was built on [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]]'s template instead. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}


{{note|It is a rare thing, however, to find this scene taken seriously, given just how rife with errors the whole five-parter is, although you ''might'' have room to argue that if Bombshell were the Armada (see below for that mess), then he ''might'' still be able to clone himself to produce more Armada robots.}}
===Marvel future timelines===
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[[File:CyclonusArmadaMarvel.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Cyclonus's Armada Shadow Mode.]]


===Universe: Featuring the Wreckers===
Several additional ships in the shape of Cyclonus were present above the surface of [[Unicron]] shortly after Galvatron's creation. When Galvatron decided that he needed to take care of [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] before going after the [[Matrix of Leadership|Autobots' Matrix]], the ships followed Cyclonus to Cybertron. {{storylink|Judgment Day!}}
Thanks to his time as Cyclonus's lackey, Skywarp is bitter at Cyclonus. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}


===''Transformers: The Animated Movie''===
===3H comics===
[[Image:Armada idw20th boom.jpg|right|180px|thumb|For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.]]
[[File:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|left||thumb|Well, that clears ''that'' up.]]
A jet identical to Cyclonus was destroyed by a blast of fire-breath from [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s fire-breath.  {{storylink|To the Death—and Beyond!}}


During the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] conquest of Cybertron Cyclonus and Skywarp coexisted, surviving by taking on [[Aero Drone]] forms. {{storylink|Departure}} They joined the [[Wreckers]], though Cyclonus eventually betrayed them because he was secretly on a mission from [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]. {{storylink|Disclosure}}


{{note|Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] inside.  While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.}}
When the Wreckers caught up with Cyclonus in the bowels of Cybertron, for a moment Skywarp appeared to switch to his side. Cyclonus attributed this to Skywarp having once been his "Armada". Skywarp shot him and told him he had always hated that and hated him, even when Cyclonus had been [[Bombshell (G1)|"a bug"]]. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}
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==Origins==
==Origins==
The Armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have a group of followers identical to him in design, as a natural counterpart to [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]'s [[Sweep|Sweeps]]. This is evidenced by the description for them given in the movie's script:
[[File:TFTMCyclonusArmadaCloseup.jpg|upright=0.95|thumb|My shade of blueish purple may be almost 5% different!]]


:<tt>CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.</tt>
The Armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have a group of followers identical to him in design as a natural counterpart to Scourge's Sweeps. This is evidenced by the movie script:


[[Image:TFTMCyclonusArmadaCloseup.jpg|left|170px|thumb|My shade of blueish purple may be almost 5% different!]]
:<tt>CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.</tt><ref>[http://www.camphortree.net/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Final version of the ''Transformers: The Movie'' script]</ref>
However, while the original [[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)|comic book adaptation]] of the movie followed through with this intention (in terms of art, if not dialogue), the actual movie itself did anything but. Only ''one'' armada robot is shown to be created onscreen, and promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, while the number of Sweeps seems to increase from the mere ''two'' who are shown being created to... well, as many as they need.


Consequently, opinions differ on the Armada's actual "existence", with some arguing that since Cyclonus's personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is little more than an error, and should be ignored.
However, while the [[#Marvel future timelines|original comic adaptation of the movie]] follows through with this, the actual movie itself does anything but. Only ''one'' Armada robot is shown to be created and then promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, while the number of Sweeps seems to increase from the two who are shown being created to... well, as many as they need.


{{-}}
Consequently, opinions differ on the Armada's actual existence, with some arguing that since Cyclonus's personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is an error that should be ignored. But then, if the Armada ''is'' seen to exist, precisely ''who'' was turned into a Cyclonus-bot is the subject of yet another debate. (See [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Who is Cyclonus?|"Who is Cyclonus?"]] for more on that.)


===Who is the Armada?===
[[File:Armadadecepticon.jpg|86px|left|thumb|Unicron even made them T-shirts.]]
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Oy.]]
The Armada's identity prior to re-creation somewhat fraught, tied up as it is with the question of [[Cyclonus (G1)|who Cyclonus is]]. In the finished film, [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] is shown being transformed into (presumably) Cyclonus by Unicron, while [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] becomes the solitary Armada robot.


[[Image:Armadadecepticon.jpg|right|86px|thumb|Sticker from the 2007 ''Masterpiece'' Skywarp]]
Some interpret the "and his armada" line to refer to Scourge and the Sweeps. This is a somewhat awkward reading because they had been created and called out by name already. The ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Thundercracker and Skywarp toys come packed with [[:File:MPSkywarp stickers.jpg|a sticker-sheet featuring multiple Decepticon-themed emblems]] such as "[[Seeker (body-type)|Jetron]] Airforces", "[[Kremzeek]] Attack", and "Skywarp Teleport". One of these says "Armada Decepticon" and shows a Cyclonus-shaped silhouette with several Sweep-shapes behind it; this can be interpreted multiple ways, but it is ultimately just a funny sticker unlikely to have had much thought behind it.
Confusion of the matter aside, the vast preponderance of subsequent sources simply agree with the visuals of the recreation scene as depicted in the movie, showing Cyclonus to be created from Bombshell, meaning that the one-ship Armada—if it exists at all—was made from Skywarp.
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[[Image:Coronationscene3.jpg|right|150px|thumb|"Hi, we're back from being dead. What we miss?"]]
==Toys==
While there have been no toys of the Armada released, anyone interested in [[army-building|assembling an Armada]] is not without options! As the Armada are physically identical to Cyclonus, enterprising fans can purchase multiples of any [[Cyclonus (G1)/toys|Cyclonus toy]] of their choosing and [[personal canon|make pretend]].


Of course, both Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] all appear later on in the movie. [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] is given significant screentime on the planet of [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]; if the comic adaptation is any indication, he's specifically called for by the script. The other characters can be seen at Starscream's coronation. While it is obvious that these are merely animation errors, (the episode "[[Starscream's Ghost]]" shows a grave marker for Thundercracker, definitely stating that he no longer exists), there's no reason Skywarp fans can't assume that he was alive and well, and it was a similar seeker thrown off [[Astrotrain]] and subsequently made into the Armada.
==Notes==
* The capitalization of "Armada" is inconsistent in the fiction. The movie script, treating it as a generic term for a group of soldiers, leaves it uncapitalized. The ''Wreckers'' story, treating it as a singular identifier for Skywarp's Unicronian form, capitalizes it. We default to the proper-name form unless the specific fiction dictates otherwise.


{{-}}
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sono muteki kantai''' (その無敵艦隊, "that invincible armada")


==Toys==
==References==
{{note|While there have been no toys of the Armada released, anyone interested in [[army-building|assembling an Armada]] is not without options! As the Armada are physically identical to Cyclonus, an enterprising fan can purchase multiples of Cyclonus's original 1986 toy, or his [[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]] figure, and make pretend.}}
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==External links==
* [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Original script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'']
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9xbI5a1ilk Galvatron's re-creation scene] — on YouTube


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Latest revision as of 03:03, 22 November 2024

This subject of this article goes by multiple names that apply to other articles as well. See Cyclonus (Armada), Cyclonus's Armada (SG).
Cyclonus's Armada is one or more Decepticons from the cartoon portion of the Generation 1 continuity family.
Who cares if the President doesn't exist? He's a great American!

Cyclonus's Armada is the Decepticon or group thereof that Unicron put under Cyclonus's command. Any details beyond that are a contentious matter; it may be a single Cyclonus-lookalike, a squadron of them, or instead simply Scourge and the Sweeps. It may even be a group including those plus Thundercracker and Skywarp! And don't even get us started on who the Cyclonus-bot(s) might've been created from.

And these shall be your minions: Scourge, the tracker, and his huntsmen, the Sweeps... Cyclonus, the warrior, and his armada.

Unicron, The Transformers: The Movie

Fiction

[edit]

Generation 1 cartoon continuity

[edit]

The Transformers cartoon

[edit]
The Armada that belongs to Cyclonus, NOT the Cyclonus that belongs to Armada.

When Megatron agreed to submit himself to Unicron and be re-created as Galvatron, Unicron also turned several fallen Decepticons into new warriors. He announced their names as he did so, first "Scourge the tracker and his huntsmen, the Sweeps" and then "Cyclonus the warrior and his armada". As Cyclonus was created, a duplicate of him could also be seen. But this doppelganger quickly disappeared and was rarely seen again. The Transformers: The Movie

At least four jets of Cyclonus's design were seen on two occasions during an assault on Cybertron. One even sported a unique paint job which, oddly, resembled Dirge's! Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5

It is possible to dismiss all of these duplicate Cyclonuses in the poorly-made "Five Faces of Darkness" as animation errors.

IDW Transformers: The Animated Movie comic

[edit]
For a guy who died so quickly, he sure created a lot of problems.

A jet identical to Cyclonus was destroyed by a blast of Grimlock's fire-breath.[1] To the Death—and Beyond!

Rodimus vs. Cyclonus

[edit]

Not long after their creation, Cyclonus and Scourge hunted down Hot Rod, Kup, and the Dinobots while they fled from Quintessa to the planet of Junk. The hunters split up, and Cyclonus found the Autobots on his own. Boarding their ship, he fought with Hot Rod, who taunted him. Cyclonus responded bitterly, complaining about how he'd been overlooked and undervalued "all his lives"; he said that even Unicron had failed to deliver on his promise of personal troops. He was jealous of Scourge's Sweeps, and in fact when Scourge caught up with them, the two ended up fighting each other instead of the Autobots. Rodimus vs. Cyclonus

Ask Vector Prime

[edit]

In an unstable Iocus reality created by the machinations of Sideways and Gong wherein the Unicron War played out with GoBots involved, Slicks was reformatted into the Armada, which was built on Fracture's template instead. Echoes and Fragments

Marvel future timelines

[edit]
Cyclonus's Armada Shadow Mode.

Several additional ships in the shape of Cyclonus were present above the surface of Unicron shortly after Galvatron's creation. When Galvatron decided that he needed to take care of Starscream before going after the Autobots' Matrix, the ships followed Cyclonus to Cybertron. Judgment Day!

3H comics

[edit]
Well, that clears that up.

During the Vehicon conquest of Cybertron Cyclonus and Skywarp coexisted, surviving by taking on Aero Drone forms. Departure They joined the Wreckers, though Cyclonus eventually betrayed them because he was secretly on a mission from Cryotek. Disclosure

When the Wreckers caught up with Cyclonus in the bowels of Cybertron, for a moment Skywarp appeared to switch to his side. Cyclonus attributed this to Skywarp having once been his "Armada". Skywarp shot him and told him he had always hated that and hated him, even when Cyclonus had been "a bug". Wreckers: Finale Part II

Origins

[edit]
My shade of blueish purple may be almost 5% different!

The Armada is, in general, a monumental headache for a number of reasons. The basic idea was for Cyclonus to have a group of followers identical to him in design as a natural counterpart to Scourge's Sweeps. This is evidenced by the movie script:

CYCLONUS is CREATED and then his "armada" of similar, but smaller and similarly colored and clad creatures are formed.[2]

However, while the original comic adaptation of the movie follows through with this, the actual movie itself does anything but. Only one Armada robot is shown to be created and then promptly vanishes from the film mere seconds later, while the number of Sweeps seems to increase from the two who are shown being created to... well, as many as they need.

Consequently, opinions differ on the Armada's actual existence, with some arguing that since Cyclonus's personal army was dropped in production and removed from the film immediately after being introduced, its inclusion is an error that should be ignored. But then, if the Armada is seen to exist, precisely who was turned into a Cyclonus-bot is the subject of yet another debate. (See "Who is Cyclonus?" for more on that.)

Unicron even made them T-shirts.

Some interpret the "and his armada" line to refer to Scourge and the Sweeps. This is a somewhat awkward reading because they had been created and called out by name already. The Masterpiece Thundercracker and Skywarp toys come packed with a sticker-sheet featuring multiple Decepticon-themed emblems such as "Jetron Airforces", "Kremzeek Attack", and "Skywarp Teleport". One of these says "Armada Decepticon" and shows a Cyclonus-shaped silhouette with several Sweep-shapes behind it; this can be interpreted multiple ways, but it is ultimately just a funny sticker unlikely to have had much thought behind it.

Toys

[edit]

While there have been no toys of the Armada released, anyone interested in assembling an Armada is not without options! As the Armada are physically identical to Cyclonus, enterprising fans can purchase multiples of any Cyclonus toy of their choosing and make pretend.

Notes

[edit]
  • The capitalization of "Armada" is inconsistent in the fiction. The movie script, treating it as a generic term for a group of soldiers, leaves it uncapitalized. The Wreckers story, treating it as a singular identifier for Skywarp's Unicronian form, capitalizes it. We default to the proper-name form unless the specific fiction dictates otherwise.

Foreign names

[edit]
  • Japanese: Sono muteki kantai (その無敵艦隊, "that invincible armada")

References

[edit]
  1. Although Grimlock did indeed use his fire-breath in this manner in the movie itself, his target was unambiguously Cyclonus himself with Galvatron inside. While Cyclonus survived that encounter with little damage, his lookalike in the comic goes kersplodey with equal unambiguity.
  2. Final version of the Transformers: The Movie script