GoBots: Difference between revisions
Levyshahar (talk | contribs) |
|||
| Line 84: | Line 84: | ||
On TFWiki, we have historically chronicled the appearances of all GoBots characters who have shown up in crossover fiction with the Transformers by giving them their own articles, as is our standard procedure for all crossover characters from other media. Over the years, however, several arguments have occurred amongst our userbase over whether we should simply expand the wiki's scope to incorporate full coverage of the ''GoBots'' brand including the original Bandai toys and the ''Challenge of the GoBots'' cartoon, on the basis that Hasbro now owns the ''GoBots'' intellectual property, and all current use of the characters and concepts takes place under the ''Transformers'' umbrella. Ultimately, it was decided that, retcons or not, the original ''GoBots'' franchise does not warrant coverage on TFWiki outside of the characters' limited interactions with the Transformers. | On TFWiki, we have historically chronicled the appearances of all GoBots characters who have shown up in crossover fiction with the Transformers by giving them their own articles, as is our standard procedure for all crossover characters from other media. Over the years, however, several arguments have occurred amongst our userbase over whether we should simply expand the wiki's scope to incorporate full coverage of the ''GoBots'' brand including the original Bandai toys and the ''Challenge of the GoBots'' cartoon, on the basis that Hasbro now owns the ''GoBots'' intellectual property, and all current use of the characters and concepts takes place under the ''Transformers'' umbrella. Ultimately, it was decided that, retcons or not, the original ''GoBots'' franchise does not warrant coverage on TFWiki outside of the characters' limited interactions with the Transformers. | ||
Things got... ''thornier'' thanks to the "Renegade Rhetoric" column, which was, broadly speaking, a continuation of the ''GoBots'' cartoon, treated the cartoon as canon, made sure to namecheck every single cast member from the show, and even created stories about other ''GoBots'' toys who had never been in the cartoon. This reminder of old arguments, coupled with repeated bad faith efforts by readers and participants in the column's Q&A section to "game the system" and force wider GoBots coverage onto TFWiki by coaxing "Cy-Kill" into talking more about the minutiae of the series, posting production artwork from it, etc, has led TFWiki's chief admins and sysops to regard all Facebook coverage of the GoBots' adventures, including the Transformers crossover elements, as simply too inflammatory to cover. We do not ignore it ''completely'', however, and maintain a [[List of Renegades]] and [[List of Guardians]] to briefly cover all GoBots characters who appear in it (which is to say, uh, all of them), as well as an archive of all "Renegade Rhetoric" posts (and associated stories) for you to peruse at your leisure. | Things got... ''thornier'' thanks to the "Renegade Rhetoric" column, which was, broadly speaking, a continuation of the ''GoBots'' cartoon, treated the cartoon as canon, made sure to namecheck every single cast member from the show, and even created stories about other ''GoBots'' toys who had never been in the cartoon. This reminder of old arguments, coupled with repeated bad faith efforts by readers and participants in the column's Q&A section to "game the system" and force wider GoBots coverage onto TFWiki by coaxing "Cy-Kill" into talking more about the minutiae of the series, posting production artwork from it, etc, has led TFWiki's chief admins and sysops to regard all Facebook coverage of the GoBots' adventures, including the Transformers crossover elements, as simply too inflammatory to cover. We do not ignore it ''completely'', however, and maintain a [[Renegade|List of Renegades]] and [[Guardian_(GoBots)|List of Guardians]] to briefly cover all GoBots characters who appear in it (which is to say, uh, all of them), as well as an archive of all "Renegade Rhetoric" posts (and associated stories) for you to peruse at your leisure. | ||
==Easter eggs== | ==Easter eggs== | ||
Revision as of 20:00, 8 April 2016
| This article is about the Tonka GoBots franchise. For the cyborgs that are the stars of this franchise, see GoBot{{#switch:{{#sub:GoBot|-1}}|!=|.=|?=|.}} For a list of other meanings, see GoBots (disambiguation). |

"Autobots versus Decepticons" wasn't the only war between shape-changing robots in the 1980s, as there was an even bigger, if briefer conflict... the war on toy shelves between Hasbro's The Transformers and Tonka's GoBots.
GoBots was Transformers' main competitor... at least in the realm of "robot-based toy lines". (Among other heavy hitters, Kenner's Star Wars was cranking out Return of the Jedi toys aplenty throughout 1983 and 1984.) It is, overall, not looked upon very favorably by the fandom-at-large, with most of the criticisms leveled at the way it was marketed, with goofy character names and a less sophisticated cartoon (and it's not like the original Transformers cartoon was exactly highbrow entertainment). That GoBots ran for barely three years, as opposed to the seven of Transformers, only further reinforces the idea that Transformers was the powerhouse winner between the two.
The series does have its fans and collectors, however. Hasbro also now owns the GoBots [[wikipedia:{{#if:|:}}Intellectual property|{{#if:IP|IP|Intellectual property}}]] thanks to its acquisition of Tonka in the early 90's... but don't go expecting any kind of revival. The relationship between Hasbro and the GoBots is... complicated.
The original Tonka GoBots

Toyline
GoBots made its US premiere in 1983, nearly a full year before the original Transformers toyline's debut. It had a similar origin, being mostly made up of pre-existing Japanese toys used under license by an American distributor, in this case the Machine Robo series by Bandai spinoff company Popy. The bulk of these figures are roughly the size (and retail price) of a Transformers Mini Vehicle, though often more complex and with a much broader variety of alternate modes. The line was also filled out with some larger original molds, including spaceship-bases, cap guns, and several designs originally intended for Machine Robo that didn't actually see release in that series (like how the Transformers "Scramble City" combiners were not-yet-implemented Diaclone designs).
Cartoon
Challenge of the GoBots was produced in the United States by Hanna-Barbera (and Wang Film Productions in Taiwan). It aired in some markets outside the US (such as Australia) with the title Challenge of the Machine Men. The 65-episode series ran in syndication from 1984 through 1985, followed by the feature film, Battle of the Rock Lords in 1986, which was likely rushed to theatres to beat The Transformers: The Movie to screens. The series focused on a much smaller cast than the Transformers cartoon, mainly the Guardian trio of Leader-1, Turbo, Scooter, and their human allies Matt, Nick, and A.J., against the Renegade triumvirate Cy-Kill, Crasher, and Cop-Tur, occasionally backed-up by their own human "ally" Dr. Braxis. While many other GoBots toys were featured throughout the series, they were typically relegated to guest spots, though the Guardian Small Foot and the Renegade Fitor would show up frequently enough to almost be considered main characters.
One of the most notable aspects of the cartoon was it had multiple recurring female GoBots, in stark contrast to the really, really, really guy-heavy cast of Transformers. Crasher and Small Foot saw the most screen time, but many other female GoBots showed up, often in recurring roles. One of the Guardians' human allies was even a woman of color. Chalk it up to Hanna-Barbera's generally more progressive attitudes for their time!
Although the Tonka-toyline-created tagline was "Mighty Robots, Mighty Vehicles", the background material for the cartoon established that the GoBots are not true robots, but rather alien cyborgs; a race of extraterrestrial humanoids, who, after a great catastrophe, had to put their brains into "GoBot forms" to survive.
GoBots versus Transformers
Despite being first to the market, having many more low-price items than its competitor (theoretically making them more desirable, at least to parents' wallets), and a ton of early press coverage stating that it would likely be the victor in the battle of shape-shifting robot toys, GoBots was left in the dust by the vastly better-marketed Transformers. The line struggled its way into 1986, with a spin-off toyline (complete with theater-release movie) called Rock Lords featuring transforming rocks. Yes, rocks. Didn't exactly set the world on fire with that one. Shortly after, the line fizzled out, while Transformers enjoyed a few more years before it too finally "died".
GoBots in the "modern era"
Hasbro & Takara
Following its mid-Eighties demise, GoBots remained a dead line in every regard up until 1991. Hasbro bought Tonka and its subsidiaries (including Kenner), acquiring all of Tonka's intellectual property, which included the GoBots IP... sort of. Due to a lot of factors, much of the GoBots property was and still is outside of Hasbro's control.
The toy designs are unquestionably 100% owned by Bandai, direct rivals to Hasbro's partner TakaraTomy. In 2015, Bandai announced a series of high-end, super-posable toys based on several of the original Machine Robo toys that got turned into GoBots, but sold under the original banner. The cartoon seems to have a complicated ownership situation. The entire series was released on DVD by Warner Bros. (who now own Hanna-Barbera) as an online-order-only, "manufactured on demand" series, and is still available today. The episodes themselves bear a copyright to Tonka (though given the nature of distribution contracts, this might be nominal), while the DVD disks and packaging note Hasbro's ownership of GoBots and "all related characters and elements", while asserting a joint Hasbro / Hanna-Barbara ownership of the "program compilation". Some original research from Jim Sorenson suggests that the character designs are owned by Hasbro as well, though he speculates that Hasbro would be unlikely to want to use character designs depicting toys owned by a competitor.
In fact, both Hasbro and Takara have done very little with the GoBots IP overall, seemingly content to bury it outside of periodically using the line's name as a trademark for non-Tonka-GoBots products, primarily for pre-school-aimed toys. Hasbro staked that claim early on with the Generation 2 Autobot toy "Gobots" in 1993, and various uses of the name (in various parsings) over the next decade. The name "Leader-1" was trademarked in 2003 for Armada Megatron's Mini-Con partner, but there's been little to no use of GoBots-original names since. (At one point in development, Armada Unicron's Mini-Con Dead End was going to be called "Gobotron", but that idea was ultimately discarded.) Remember also that trademarks can expire if not used regularly, leaving them open for other entities to snap them up, so this lack of use leaves much of the GoBots cast names in a sort of rights limbo. Hasbro once again renewed the trademark application in 2015, this time for “distribution of motion pictures, ongoing television programs”<ref>http://www.slashfilm.com/gobots-movie-hasbro/</ref>.

In 2004, Takara took the first tentative poke at using the GoBots fictional property under the Transformers banner with the "G1 GoBots" set, an e-HOBBY-exclusive redeco of six recently-reissued Mini Vehicles. Early online images of the set labeled each of the six toys with the name of a GoBot who had that alternate mode: Bad Boy, Bug Bite, Path Finder, Road Ranger, Small Foot, and Treds. However, Takara eventually dropped the names from the final packaging and promotional materials, leaving only the more defensible "G1 GoBots" group name, with the packed-in bio for the whole group introducing them as visitors from another universe (conveniently not identified), with technology astoundingly similar to the technology seen in the GoBots cartoon. The toys themselves are not even colored like the GoBots they were briefly named after, using "prototype" color schemes for the original toys, or all-new decos seemingly created without direct inspiration.
A long dry spell followed, until 2007 when Hasbro released Fracture, a Crasher-inspired redeco of Classics Mirage, as part of a Walmart-exclusive series of toys for the live-action movie toyline. The toy (as well as the others in that wave) was originally intended as part of the Generation 1-based Classics line, and in fact "Fracture" was originally intended to be Crasher-the-GoBot, having crossed dimensions. Her cardback bio makes reference to GoBot Crasher's personality and powers... but also does not actually call her out as a GoBot in any way, not even a sideways "came from another universe" hint. At face value, she's a native Cybertronian. Deco artist Joe Kyde later noted that they had to prove to Hasbro higher-ups that the chosen color scheme actually existed on a real life racing car in order to color her that way, suggesting the desire for a bit of plausible deniability. After that, GoBots was relegated mostly to much smaller deco references. Movie-series toys Backtrack (also deco'd by Kyde) and Deadlift have deliberate deco homages to the GoBots Night Ranger and Spoons (respectively), complete with tampographs of the "MR-**" designation numbers from the original GoBots toys, but they too are fictionally Transformers-universe natives. There's been precious little else out of Hasbro or Takara toy-wise since Deadlift, and he came out in 2010.
All in all, Hasbro and Takara seem uninterested in having any actual toy product directly, unambiguously branded as a Tonka GoBots character.
Hasbro licensees
In fiction, GoBots made some "appearances" in Transformers comics... mainly by various Cybertron-native Cy-Kills getting killed, a gag that was not at all hack and tiresome each and every time it happened over and over again, wow so clever<ref>The negative fan reaction to the violent deaths of the TransTech iterations of Cy-Kill and Scooter resulted in Pete Sinclair stating that this would be the last GoBot death scene in Fan Club works, and they've since stuck to that.</ref>. "GoBots" was also a frequent "cute" term of derision for human characters to use in reference to the Transformers in various comics. It's extremely likely that these references would have remained even if Hasbro didn't have some fingers in the GoBots IP.
While GoBots-as-GoBots has been virtually nonexistent in the mass-market Transformers outlets, Hasbro licensee Fun Publications has not been shy about making more overt ties to the former competitor.

BotCon 2007 followed up on the earlier e-HOBBY use of the GoBots and continued the story begun there, specifically naming the box set's white Bumblebee redeco "Bugbite"[sic], thus firming up the connection that was always implied... though his bio card only hints at him being more than just another Decepticon, and the accompanying comic stopped just short of outright stating that Bug Bite was a displaced GoBot. He explained that he came from another universe, seeking to destroy the cause of the Cataclysm threatening his reality, which lines up with the G1 Gobots bio information from the e-HOBBY set, but again, did not outright name his home... juuuust inching towards the line but not actually crossing it. The storyline was followed up in the 2008 Transformers Collectors' Club online-exclusive text story "Withered Hope", which unambiguously cemented the G1 GoBots as being GoBots from the GoBots universe as depicted in the Challenge of the GoBots cartoon.
GoBots-as-GoBots once again lay fallow for a while after "Withered Hope". Occasionally side-references would be made in-fiction, mostly in the form of Shattered Glass and TransTech iterations of GoBots as native Cybertronians. In 2010, the Collectors' Club membership "freebie" toy Dion came with Cop-Tur, a blue redeco of the toy's mold-mate Mini-Con Jolt. Though his characterization was inspired by the GoBots Cop-Tur (the blue deco was actually a result of the gang-molding with the Dion toy rather than a deliberate choice), they were quick to declare that he was a native Cybertronian, not a displaced GoBot. In 2013 a "Withered Hope" follow-up story called Spatiotemporal Challengers was announced, part one of which eventually saw release on January 7, 2016.
The 2010 IDW book Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II, a retrospective covering the third season of Transformers Animated, would take things further. In the profile for Stretch, a character created for the book based on Porter C. Powell's GoBots-homage limousine from the show, it was heavily implied that he wound up in the actual Challenge of the Gobots cartoon universe after the events of the book. Additionally, a news story in the multiversal paper ALTernity Today gave Challenge of the Gobots a universal stream designation, thus implicitly pulling it into the multiverse. Finally, the book used its ubiquitous Cybertronix text to, among many pop-culture references, introduce new installments of "Ask Vector Prime", a feature from the Hasbro web site during the Cybertron series. These question-and-answer segments were not limited to events and characters from the Animated cartoon universe, and one declared that Gobotron was another manifestation of the Transformers' transdimensional creator-god Primus.

In 2015, as a part of the run-up to BotCon, Fun Publications unveiled a number of new Facebook-published features, broadcasting on the Axiom Nexus News network. One of them was yet another revival of "Ask Vector Prime". With a prodigious output of answers to user questions, sometimes more than ten a day, the feature managed to cover the depth and breadth of the Transformers franchise... and the Tonka GoBots. The words "GoBot" or "Gargent" (the universal stream designation of the GoBots franchise) show up almost 50 times in the column. New GoBots universes were introduced, and many characters and concepts were explicitly referenced by name. The first major example of this was when Jim Sorenson Vector took the step of publicly canonizing a GoBots character as a Transformers character: the Evil One, an ancient and villianous GoBot, was said to be the Gargent incarnation of the Fallen. A picture was even put up of the Evil One's animation model. <ref>"Q: Dear Vector Prime,
Who is the Evil One from Gargent?
A: Dear Evil Enthusiast,
Megatronus, in his shame, goes by many names. You may know him best as The Fallen. The Gargent Cluster birthed a version in which he became known as The Evil One. Sadly true-to-form, his Dark Heart nearly destroyed Cybertron--er, Gobotron, only to wind up under the Nazca Lines on Earth.
Interesting that in both the Gargent and the Tyran clusters, my tragic brother was drawn to your Pyramids. I note that Devil Z had similar affinities, both for the Pyramids and for the Nazca Lines. Hmmmm... "</ref> Stretch was explicitly confirmed to be the GoBot Stretch (and the reason many GoBots look like Earth vehicles). The amount of GoBots questions shot up once the Evil One question was asked. Vector Prime later described a dimension-hopping encounter where Optimus Prime and a small team of Autobot Spy Changers teamed up with the Guardians to battle the Renegades, "Brain Problem Situation", marking the second official GoBots/Transformers crossover. A third crossover, "Echoes and Fragments", would be published in the waning days of the column. Many pieces of production artwork from Hanna Barbara were published, though per the note about free-advertising above none depicted a Bandai toy. Pieces included Tonka toys, ships, and non-toy characters.
But all of this was insignificant next to a doubling-down on this strategy...
Renegade Rhetoric

During a storyline wherein Vector Prime was called away on urgent business, he was replaced by a series of rotating guest hosts, one of which was Cy-Kill—not a covert nod or a Transformers Cy-Kill or even a Cy-Kill under a deniable new body, the actual Hanna-Barbara Cy-Kill with a modified screen capture from Challenge of the GoBots as his profile picture. Notably, this picture was swiftly replaced by a repurposed illustration of TransTech Cy-Kill (whose appearance is similar) originally commissioned by Fun Publications. This suggests that, while Fun Publications is able to reference names and events from the cartoon, and even non-toy-based character models, they draw the line at actual screen captures of characters based on Bandai-owned toy designs.
Over the course of his nine-day run, he proceeded to mention virtually every significant GoBots character and toy (and some that weren't), often sharing biographical and descriptive details. He also went into detail about their adventures, including both detailed descriptions of Challenge of the GoBots episodes and fanciful tales invented wholecloth. This was partly down to leading questions from some fans, who would ask for any information on a specific GoBot and then added that to this very wiki.

When Cy-Kill proved to be the most popular of the guest hosts, the column was expanded to its own feature, which concluded on February 5 2016. The focus of the ongoing column shifted to become about a fictional "second season" of the Challenge of the GoBots cartoon, made up primarily of original stories that lovingly spoofed the identikit children's cartoon plots of the 1980s and 90s. Concurrently with these posts, Ask Vector Prime posted an episode list of this virtual season 2, and explained that these episodes were "produced" in the universal stream of Quadwal 1215.15 Epsilon, an alternate universe where GoBots had triumphed over Transformers in the 1980s toy wars, and had many sequels and spin-offs. Each episode had a title-card produced, mirroring those used in Challenge of the GoBots. Many episodes featured original character designs for new guest stars or existing cast members in new outfits. Again, whenever a Bandai toy was depicted, it was heavily obscured or completely redesigned. Challenge of the GoBots screen shots were occasionally used as background elements, though never depicting any Bandai-owned characters.
On this wiki
On TFWiki, we have historically chronicled the appearances of all GoBots characters who have shown up in crossover fiction with the Transformers by giving them their own articles, as is our standard procedure for all crossover characters from other media. Over the years, however, several arguments have occurred amongst our userbase over whether we should simply expand the wiki's scope to incorporate full coverage of the GoBots brand including the original Bandai toys and the Challenge of the GoBots cartoon, on the basis that Hasbro now owns the GoBots intellectual property, and all current use of the characters and concepts takes place under the Transformers umbrella. Ultimately, it was decided that, retcons or not, the original GoBots franchise does not warrant coverage on TFWiki outside of the characters' limited interactions with the Transformers.
Things got... thornier thanks to the "Renegade Rhetoric" column, which was, broadly speaking, a continuation of the GoBots cartoon, treated the cartoon as canon, made sure to namecheck every single cast member from the show, and even created stories about other GoBots toys who had never been in the cartoon. This reminder of old arguments, coupled with repeated bad faith efforts by readers and participants in the column's Q&A section to "game the system" and force wider GoBots coverage onto TFWiki by coaxing "Cy-Kill" into talking more about the minutiae of the series, posting production artwork from it, etc, has led TFWiki's chief admins and sysops to regard all Facebook coverage of the GoBots' adventures, including the Transformers crossover elements, as simply too inflammatory to cover. We do not ignore it completely, however, and maintain a List of Renegades and List of Guardians to briefly cover all GoBots characters who appear in it (which is to say, uh, all of them), as well as an archive of all "Renegade Rhetoric" posts (and associated stories) for you to peruse at your leisure.
Easter eggs
| “ | This is a universe of nigh-infinite possibilities, so perhaps... | ” |
| {{#if:Unicron reflects on the possibility of GoBots in Transformers| —Unicron reflects on the possibility of GoBots in Transformers{{#if:Transformers: Armada #18 (letters page)|, Transformers: Armada #18 (letters page)}} }}}} | ||
Given the similarity between the properties, as well as the transition from a Transformers competitor to dead product line partially owned by Hasbro, it is perhaps inevitable that there would be a large number of GoBots Easter eggs:
- Several GoBots appear in the background in a number of Dreamwave Transformers comics as visual jokes.
- In the G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War #5, Cobra Commander refers to the Autobots as "glorified GoBots".
- Similarly, the later IDW Publishing series Transformers vs. G.I. Joe has the human characters repeatedly refer to the Transformers as "GoBots".
- In IDW Publishing's Megatron Origin, Cy-Kill is Megatron's first opponent in the Forge. He gets a cover appearance and dialogue before being defeated and killed. Further, a robot that is clearly his fellow Renegade Crasher is part of Clench's inner circle/gladiatorial team, and later fights alongside Megatron.
- In IDW's Beast Wars: The Ascending #2, the GoBot monster Pincher is shown as a murdered Angolmois junkie.
- In the Shattered Glass alternate universe, Renegade GoBot Fitor and Guardian GoBot Leader-1 (the latter in Cy-Kill's color scheme) are among the evil Autobot forces. What looks like Cy-Kill's claw is seen amongst the cheering throngs joining the evil Autobots too. Heroic Decepticon Crasher is described as Blurr's cousin in Blurr's tech spec, and even appears (with earthquake-like powers) in "Dungeons & Dinobots".
- In "Transcendent: Part 5", the two Axiom Nexus guards who die at Alpha Trion's hands are designed after Cy-Kill and Scooter. (The fan reaction to Cy-Kill and Scooter's deaths resulted in Pete Sinclair stating that this would be the last GoBot death scene in Fan Club works.)
- A cropped image of TransTech Cy-Kill from this story would later be repurposed as a version of the original GoBots Cy-Kill.
- The canceled 2007 movie toyline Target-exclusive figure Backtrack was designed as an homage to the Guardian Night Ranger, and even sported Night Ranger's "MR 37" designation number on his license plate.
- Revenge of the Fallen Deadlift is an homage to Spoons, bearing Spoons's "MR-34" designation number.
- The Beast Wars: Uprising story "Head Games" makes off-hand reference to the Monster GoBots Creepy and Vamp.
- Ask Vector Prime would later confirm that these were indeed dimensionally-displaced GoBots masquerading as Predacons.
Notes
- It is worth pointing out that several of the authors involved in GoBots fiction are wiki editors with passionate feelings about the topic.
- AllSpark Almanac co-author and primary "Ask Vector Prime"/"Renegade Rhetoric" author Jim Sorenson argued at length back in 2009 that this wiki should cover the entirety of the Tonka GoBots property. He also, however, advocates support for the wiki's decision-making process, including in more recent times minimal to no GoBots coverage on the wiki.
- Greg "M Sipher" Sepalak, co-author of "Withered Hope", has likewise passionately argued against its inclusion, as well as drafted large swaths of this very article. Clearly this is a topic that can engender strong feelings.
References
External links
- GoBots DVDs on Amazon.com:
- Counter-X GoBots coverage
- TFU.info GoBots coverage