Talk:The Fallen

That bit about how the Fallen was created by Pat Lee? In the latest edition of Wayward's Insecticomics it is said that it was actually Furman who created the character, that Lee just did the design. When I asked her about it, she posted this transcript which backs that up. --KilMichaelMcC 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

OK so I just left line in the trivia, cos I thought it was funny.

• So he's the henchman of a evil being, has mystical supernatural powers, is a badass and is on fire? Someone might want to file a law suit.

Can it stay or should I take it back down?

Head

Anyone notice that his head is very Soundwave-y? When i first saw him, i clearly recognized his head as soundwave's with added badassery.--Skyglide 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Disambig time?

http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6

Ah-heh.

(SOMEBODY IN THAT MOVIE DAMN WELL BETTER BE ON FIRE.) --ItsWalky 19:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Fallen, Bludgeon and Megs

I don't know about Bludgeon, but there is a connection between the Fallen and Megs: IDW Megatron's Cybertronian body is based off of the Fallen, right down to the design of the Fusion Cannon. User:GWolfv2 21.07 June 11

Defiance issue 4 Fallen's backstory

Defiance issue 4 is out. TFW2005.com has posted all the Fallen-relevant spoilers from issue 4, but beware, if you're avoiding Defiance, this spoils the Fallen's crazy scheme in the movie. The backstory for the Fallen seems fairly different to the Fallen we know. So are they still the same guy? --FFN 14:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Still appears to be a member of the Thirteen, still appears to betray them, still apparently serves a force that devours planets/stars.--Rosicrucian^Talk 15:12, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

But from what I understand of the "multiversal singularity" characters thing, there's just one Fallen, so the guy created by Primus who eventually serves Unicron is also a guy created by a Cube who serves nobody but himself and is building solar towers to replenish the Cube. Or is the currently-untold story of the 13 vague enough that this still works? --FFN 15:20, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

It does seem pretty distinct. One's a "created by mighty power source, got selfish, betrayed his brothers, now want to kick off where things went wrong" other "created as a multiversal control for entrophy and warrior against Unicron. Switched sides. Most dangerous servant of the ultimate evil ever". User:Eire 21.21 Apr 8 2009 (UTC)

I don't trust a 3rd party summary written by someone who may not fully understand the story to accurately represent what's actually in the story. -Derik 16:44, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

In any case, I suspect we are probably going to need to wait to see what the movie itself has to say before making a decision on this. It may expand on what is presented in the comic, it may contradict it in some way, it could make it easier to tie this version in with the previous mythos or may firmly separate it, etc. --KilMichaelMcC 17:54, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't think we would have to wait until the movie if the comic is fairly clear on the matter. - Starfield 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

I think we do, because as I said, we have no way of knowing in advance how well the actual movie will line up with the comic. --KilMichaelMcC 18:05, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

The Fallen is one thing, but what about definite "multiversal singularity" Primus? Does the AllSpark=Primus in the movieverse? - Starfield 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

The AllSpark has been designated a sacred implement in Japanese fiction.--Rosicrucian^Talk 18:07, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

It is not uncommon for Transformers to have no knowledge of Primus or Unicron. For every world where they have a full-blown religion to fill them in, you have one where the Transformers have neither heard of either-- remember in The Transformers: The Movie Hot Rod and Kup had never even heard Unicron's name before. -Derik 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Did they not mention that the Fallen calls himself and his other pals "trans-dimensional beings"? --ItsWalky 19:48, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Not the mention this interview affirming he's the original and was "banished to another dimension." -Derik 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

I think what they mean by that is that he's stuck in that stupid pylon. --ItsWalky 02:15, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

The Fallen gets Power Plans!

[1] Preview page from the upcoming DK Ultimate Movie Guide, which is totally written by Furman. It establishes a few important things. The Fallen is an "omniversal tyrant." He betrayed his fellow Primes to serve the source of his new "chaotic" powers "from the very birth of the universe," forces which seek to replace morality with a "void." --ItsWalky 16:06, 18 May 2009 (EDT)