Talk:2005 IDW timeline

Update?

I've not yet read AHM, but it looks like this page hasn't been updated for about a year now. It's in desperate need of additions to MaxDino, Revelation, and AHM. We really could do with a sorted out chronology. Anyone up to the task?

I'm pretty sure it's been explicitly stated that the IDW's Beast Wars title is NOT in continuity with their main G1-based stuff. Even if that weren't incredibly obvious by it's very nature. --KilMichaelMcC 08:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hrm, that sounds a bit familiar. Clearly I was thrown by the consistent-with-BW lethal energon fields in the Shockwave Spotlight. I shall remove it from the timeline. -Derik 08:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

"6.2 metacycles ago, with 1 metacycle = 13 months" uh, that would make the events of the first Ark happen 80.6 months ago, not 6.7 million years.... --UndeadScottsman 11:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Forgot the million, sorry. --ItsWalky 16:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

2006/2007

In the modern era, starting with Infiltration in 2006, isn't it sorta indeterminate when 2007 is, comic wise? Sure, Escalation was published in late 2006-2007, but chronologically it starts right after Infiltration/Stormbringer. Also, while the miniseries is released over a 6-month span, it actually takes place over a few days (weeks at most). Perhaps we should just combine 2006 and 2007 to 2006+ and just list the events in the order in which they happened. Thoughts? --MistaTee 14:18, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't really see the kids hanging out with the Autobots for a year between Infiltration and Escalation...--Nevermore 07:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought we got some sort of in-universe date reference in Devastation saying Infiltration was just a few months ago...? -Derik 00:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Where is it stated that Galvatron's re-emergence and the creation of the Scourge's sweeps in "Rebirth" happened PRIOR to AHM? The way it's written it seems that it could very well have happened AFTERWARDS, couldn't it?

I think that was according to the Continuum reading order. Don't have it in front of me to check though.--MistaTee 13:36, 29 January 2010 (EST)

Yeah, but even if it IS in the Continuum, does that thing even COUNT?

No.

(I mean, seriously... no. Even ignoring the errors, it's basically written out-fiction. It adds nothing to the universe.) -Derik 17:05, 1 February 2010 (EST)

All we really know for sure is it happened sometime AFTER Revelation. Hopefully the next author that follows up on this can nail down the timeframe. Is Galvatron supposed to be in the Wreckers mini? --MistaTee 14:05, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Clean up?

The Infiltration/Escalation/Devastation sections seem way too long and detailed for a timeline. Shouldn't things like Sixshot's battle with the Autobots be like one or two sentences long, rather than an issue-by-issue citing of events? I'm asking 'cause it's possible somebody's trying to verify that the events can really happen at the pace they're portrayed (which is a laudable goal given the current furor over at Spotlight: Arcee), but I suspect it's mostly a result of things being added piecemeal as each issue comes out, without any re-writing of previous material. -- Repowers 00:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree, a cleanup is in order, and we haven't even added in the events of the last three Spotlights in the current era, yet. --FFN 05:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't the events of Spotlight Arcee take place before the end of Devastation? --FFN 10:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC) A few notes - Spotlight Wheelie clearly takes place sometime AFTER all the other ones so far, as the decepticons who die in it are all under Megatron's command in AHM. So that gives us some context to add it. Also I'd argue for Spotlight Kup occuring sometime earlier than listed here. --Sunyavadin

Wrong on Spotlight Kup. Springer shows up in the comic following the events of Stormbringer. --Detour 04:32, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH SO BLOATED WHAT THE HELL. Man, I wanted to clean this up before Continuum comes out, but it's a friiiiiiggin' mess. --ItsWalky 22:18, 9 November 2009 (EST)

MistaTee, what the hell. Maximum Dinobots does not need a play-by-play. This is a TIMELINE. If we're using more than ten sentences for a five-issue miniseries we're DOING IT WRONG. --ItsWalky 15:44, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Follow the example of Megatron Origin's writeup on the timeline. That is ideal. You can really tell where on this page when we started creating it - which stories were already out when we started, versus which stories were coming out as we were updating it. We should always write like the former, not dogpile sentence-by-sentence until we make a monster. --ItsWalky 15:50, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Agreed that it needed shortening, but it doesn't even mention the Monsterbots, who basically saved their asses. This is condensed more than Continuum, which is not necessarily a good thing. --MistaTee 16:02, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Expand it from here, rather than shorten it from the super-long version. This edit is closer to what we desire. --ItsWalky 16:26, 12 November 2009 (EST)

Inclusion of Avengers

Does anyone actually know if this series is still considered (or ever was considered) canon with the other IDW stuff or is it like most comic book crossovers, just random, non-canonical stuff User:Eire 23.22 Nov 12 09 (UTC)

It's definitely included. It's been said to be canon, and it ties directly into Spotlight: Ramjet anyway. --ItsWalky 18:25, 12 November 2009 (EST)

How incredibly depressing...so where were the damn avengers during AHM huh ^_^ Although, SPL: Ramjet went out of its way to not really give you a clue about the connection

Where were Spider-Man and Nick Fury when the Decepticon Civil War broke into New York City? They called the Neo-Knights instead! But "Prisoner of War!" is still canon, even though the letters page asked us to forget about it, please. --ItsWalky 22:13, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Out-universe, Marvel seems to (via their "Access") series canonized the idea that there are 3 kind of "naturally occouring" non-amalgamated 'crossovers.'

1. A character crosses from one universe to another, and is totally aware this is not their own universes.
2. Two universes temporarily overlap, including all their histories. Characters from Universe A will remember always having known about characters from Universe B, and may be vaguely aware of the oddity that they somehow always managed to miss one another in the past, but not think anything of it. (all characters occupy the same universe, but the universes remain largely segregated.)
3. Two universes overlap, and the overlap causes large-scale alterations to the universe because if these characters had always co-existed they would have been fundamentally altered by their interaction. (The present looks nothing like the present of either universe.)

Access sorts out crossovers of Types 1,2 and 4. (4 being Amalgamations, which do not naturally occour.) He may also handle #3 behind-the-scenes, but this has not been established.

So there is a mechanism for this crossover to be canon and make perfect sense (IIRC the Marvel line at the time was that these were the Avengers of earth 616) a Type 2 universe cross-over. They happen naturally from time to time. But that mechanism has only been established in the Marvel comics, not any TF comic, so apparently we're required to remain ignorant of it? -Derik 21:40, 25 November 2009 (EST)

Remain ignorant about what? :P

1) I don't know if it is true or not, but our page on the crossover says it can't be Earth 616. 2) I think the wiki sort of treats it like #2 already. How would we treat it differently if we were to acknowledge this canonized idea? - Starfield 22:06, 25 November 2009 (EST)

AHM Giant Block of Text

Why does AHM have a giant block of text that is essentially a recap of two issues? --FFN 18:56, 25 November 2009 (EST)

I don't know. I put the cleanup tag for it. But I'm not about to go torture my brain cells reading AHM again to fix it. --Detour 21:24, 25 November 2009 (EST)

I've trimmed it back to bullet points. :) --abates 00:37, 26 November 2009 (EST)

You rock. --Detour 00:51, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Drift miniseries

I'm right in saying that the Drift miniseries should also be mentioned under the section detailing Drift's defection and meeting with the neutrals right? Only Spotlight: Drift is mentioned currently see...