Talk:ASD-324-ddd-3e3c1 model Decepticon
The three contradictory retellings of Transformers pre-history make the early Decepticons' place in Transformers history somewhat difficult to pin down, but it seems this type of soldier saw wide service during the so-called Golden Age of Cybertron wherein fitful wars periodically swept across the planet, causing both Autobot and Decepticons to declare victory many times.
From my reading of cartoon Cybertron's history, this is inaccurate. There were no wars during the Golden Age. FFOD allows us to date/retcon the "Desertion of the Dinobots" film strip to the Second Cybertronian War.
When the narrator says: "And thus began a terrible series of wars. Many times both sides have claimed victory, but this has been short-lived, for the Autobots have overthrown Decepticon tyrants, and, likewise, Decepticon treachery has toppled many a peaceful Autobot ruler. And, to this day, the war rages on!" what he is describing is actually the ebb and flow of the Second War itself, before it has ended.
This fills in a narration gap from the Matrix vision's account, which jumps straight from "Knowing we could never defeat the Decepticons with firepower, we turned to stealth and invented the art of transforming" to "The Autobots ruled for many centuries."
Take note of the fact that first time you see anyone transforming in the "Desertion" film strip is after the narrator says "a few valiant survivors devised new tactics and launched a counter-offensive on their arch foes" and the second time comes right before he says "for the Autobots have overthrown Decepticon tyrants." Only Autobots are shown with the ability to transform, as it should be during the Second War. --KilMichaelMcC 14:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Do we have a G1 Cartoon timeline page? If not I'd definately suggest we make one for this kinda info.--ZacWilliam 17:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
- Right Kil-but that's the problem. The tellings are CONTRADICTORY. These soldiers are contemporaries of Purple Motorcycle Guy, who is also a non-transforming TF. U-Haul Robot was one of the first to transform-- which led to several centuries of Autobot supremacy that ended with Megatron's creation (or possibly retrofitting to transform.) and U-Haul's death.
- War Dawn has Transforming Autobots and Decepticons, so it clearly takes place after all this. War Dawn was golden age. Ergo- there were wars prior to War Dawn. So either there were wars during the Golden Age which dates from the period of harmony after the Quints were overthrown or the term 'Golden Age' only refers to the few centuries of Autobot supremacy between inventing Transformation and War Dawn. (Which doesn't seem... right.)
- You may be right about the ebb-and-flow line referring to the post-transformation conflict... but there were definitely wars during the Golden Age too. Non-TFing Autobots and Decepticons fought like cocks behind a Mexican restaurant. The peaceful era Orion Pax enjoyed seems to be more a result of the Autobots going "Heeey... we can use the tools of our former oppressors to stomp down the Decepticons for us so we don't have to fight and die ourselves! Fire up the Guardian Robots!" An era of peace and prosperity- but no global wars.
- (None of this explains where the Decepticons were during the quints overthrow- but FFoD and War Dawn BOTH show the Autobots alone being the ones to drive the Quints out.) -Derik 20:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
