Talk:Real Gear Robot
Do we have a reason to consider Toaster a RGR? Chip 14:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Do you know which Toaster I'm talking about?
- He's the prototypical 'animated by the Allspark' Transformer. -Derik 14:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Derik, the Chevy Autobots are not Real Gear Robots. RGRs are a throwback line to the Microchange toys put out in the first two years of Hasbro's Transformers line. Period. Full stop. --Rotty 17:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Also, I just noticed that the original Real Gear article is Real Gear Robots. The material here that isn't wrong so totally needs to be merged with that. -Rotty 17:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am of two minds on this. Fictionally speaking, Real Gear Robots are ordinary Earth machines brought to life by the power of the Allspark. Period. Full stop. However, Real Gear Robots also being the name of a toyline with the specific attributes Rotty notes, applying that term across the board to other examples, or possible examples, of this phenomenon does seem a bit iffy. Hmmmm. I think I would probably lean towards coming up with a different title for this article rather than to merge it with the toyline article. --KilMichaelMcC 17:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Everything relevant to the RGR subgroup needs to be moved there, just as we don't have an article "Mini-con" (or "Pretender") for the subgroup as a concept within the fiction and "Mini-cons" (or "Pretenders") that only describes the toys. -Rotty 17:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am of two minds on this. Fictionally speaking, Real Gear Robots are ordinary Earth machines brought to life by the power of the Allspark. Period. Full stop. However, Real Gear Robots also being the name of a toyline with the specific attributes Rotty notes, applying that term across the board to other examples, or possible examples, of this phenomenon does seem a bit iffy. Hmmmm. I think I would probably lean towards coming up with a different title for this article rather than to merge it with the toyline article. --KilMichaelMcC 17:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I think the discussion here should have been allowed to continue a bit before the article was deleted. I think I would have come down on the side against deletion. I can see the value in keeping this article, albeit moved to another title. Something like "Allspark-animated Earth machines." Real Gear Robots would be just one example of this phenomenon, and this article could cover the others without applying the toyline-specific term to them all. --KilMichaelMcC 18:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- Is that even what the Chevy Autobots are? Derik didn't cite any source for his claim that they're ordinary Chevys animated by the Allspark. -Rotty 18:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I put them under probables because, though their nature isnt' really defined (a conciet of the game w're nto supposed ot look at too closely I think) they seem to be somehow Other than Bumblebee's clutch of Autobots- and BB refers to recruiting them.
- Of course, Sphinx, Ridge, et al are also Chevy models... (albeit in different colors,) and they were wedged into the timeline. But I find that a lto easier to swallow than thousands of Autobots on Earth- who are all aparently newbies and have to undertake training under the generalship of Bumblebee.
- There isn't any proof- but they're a great big "Bwuh?" that making them Allspark-animated 'new' Transformers fits perfectly.
- (It's possible the game will reveal somethign new int hese newsbytes to change my mind- for all I know Flash and Ridge, the advance scouts who seem to have been working with the Chevy engineer, were somehow tied to their creation.) -Derik 20:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I can't even see the article that was apparently deleted? As Kil says, "Real Gear Robot" means TWO distinct things. One thing it means is a real-world "the toy subline" and the other is a fictional-world "Earth machines animated by the AllSpark". There is no need to have two different articles for this, but both meanings should be covered. It is not at all a stretch to use the term to refer to fictional transforming devices which are known to have been animated by the AllSpark. Dewbot might be a RGR, or he might be a Cybertronian, as noted in his article. This movie toaster we're all talking about, which I actually don't even know what it is, if it was brought to life by the AllSpark, is most definitely a Real Gear Robot going by the definition given by copy for the toyline. --Steve-o 21:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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Okay, I've now got an article Toaster (Movie). As he appears to be a Read Gear Robot who is not a toy... that means either the Real Gear Robots article has to also cover the concept behind the robots (as Micromaster does,) or we need another name for these guys for it's own article. (Steve-O seems to support the former.)
For the moment I've moved Real Gear Robots to Real Gear Robot, bringing it in line to naming conventions used on pages such as Pretender. Sadly, I no longer have the article that used to be here- so if whoever deleted it would be so kind as to fold the general description ad timeline notes back in here (since I no longer remember which RGR I referenced for that, and I had to look it up,) by all means, please fold them back into this article-- 'cuz I ain't lookin' 'em up again on my own. -Derik 22:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I restored the original article here for you. --Suki Brits 22:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
