Talk:Optimus Prime (Universe)
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How is the image representative of the Spy Changer guy? Especially considering, y'know, it's a mode the toy doesn't have. —Interrobang 21:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's the yellow Optimus Prime. Who got a profile in the 3H TFMag describing things that happened to him which, demonstrably didn't happen to the RiD Prime who showed up in the TFU and Cybertron comics.
- Assuming that 3H profile of the yellow not-from-TFU-comics TFU RiD Optimus Prime represents the same character as the yellow not-the-same-guy-from-the-TFU-comics TFU RiD Optimus Prime from the script reading is pretty safe, right? The smaller robot pic is just non-ideal because his only fictional appearance was in super robot mode.
- (The Sams Club toy should probably be moved to this article too, since the TFU Prime's was established as a separate character.)-Derik 21:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- This is not "yellow Optimus Prime." This is specifically the Spychanger yellow Optimus Prime who is specifically from a universe where all Transformers are Spychanger-sized. He is not RiD Optimus Prime. Please understand this. --ItsWalky 22:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's possible that there are as many as four different RID Prime-based characters in the small amount of TFU fiction we actually got. There is AN Omega Prime already in the Cauldron when Primal busts in to do some harrowing. Another Omega Prime, potentially a different one, is summoned when Depthcharge refuses to do the job Primal had him resurrected for. We never see this Omega Prime do anything, but I'm inclined to believe it's the one later seen in the Club comics. These three Omega Primes are ALL colored as the original toys, unfortunately, but it sounds from the 3H profile as though the original prison-break Omega Prime should probably have been colored with the appropriate yellow parts, while the Oracle-summoned Omega Prime should be in the "Cybertron" colors. Then, of course, there's the Spy Changer, who shows up in the script reading in non-Cauldron-related circumstances and is tiny. -LV 22:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Is he actually tiny in-universe? (There were only two TFU RiD Oppy toys and they're both yellow. I'm inclined to believe they're the same character unless there's a significant reason to believe otherwise.) -22:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- The script explicitly calls him "Optimus Prime (Micro)". And then RID Prowl says he "barely comes up to [Prowl's] power pod". Also, he and Prowl (Micro) talk about how weird it is that the RID guys keep shouting their attack names. -LV 22:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- And he's drawn tiny. --ItsWalky 22:24, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Oh. Well in that case ignore me.
- So, you have the script eh? I don't suppose there could be scans of that floating around, could there? *hints unsubtly * -Derik 23:01, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Creating even more alternate universes for the sake of creating more alternate universes just seems ridiculously and unnecessary complicated and confusing. I'll continue to have Spychanger Optimus Prime the same being as the larger toy just on a different scale. 84.71.129.159 09:43, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
- We're not the ones creating more alternate universes. But if there's a new alternate universe, we're going to document it. --ItsWalky 11:11, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
- The script explicitly calls him "Optimus Prime (Micro)". And then RID Prowl says he "barely comes up to [Prowl's] power pod". Also, he and Prowl (Micro) talk about how weird it is that the RID guys keep shouting their attack names. -LV 22:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Is he actually tiny in-universe? (There were only two TFU RiD Oppy toys and they're both yellow. I'm inclined to believe they're the same character unless there's a significant reason to believe otherwise.) -22:13, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- It's possible that there are as many as four different RID Prime-based characters in the small amount of TFU fiction we actually got. There is AN Omega Prime already in the Cauldron when Primal busts in to do some harrowing. Another Omega Prime, potentially a different one, is summoned when Depthcharge refuses to do the job Primal had him resurrected for. We never see this Omega Prime do anything, but I'm inclined to believe it's the one later seen in the Club comics. These three Omega Primes are ALL colored as the original toys, unfortunately, but it sounds from the 3H profile as though the original prison-break Omega Prime should probably have been colored with the appropriate yellow parts, while the Oracle-summoned Omega Prime should be in the "Cybertron" colors. Then, of course, there's the Spy Changer, who shows up in the script reading in non-Cauldron-related circumstances and is tiny. -LV 22:07, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Separation or merge
Is the fact that this RID Optimus Prime is female sufficient to warrant her own individual page? If so, then we should also make an individual page for the female Scourge. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 10:43, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- I think we should take this as similar to the Armada Beast Wars; Universe Optimus Prime has actually done things in fiction, whereas AVP Scourge... hasn't. I think Scourge will be fine with a note on the page saying "In this micro-continuity, Scourge was female", even if we keep Universe Optimus separate. Riptide (talk) 10:55, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- This Optimus Prime had turned up in some previous fiction (the play at OTFCC) and Scourge is just a line on AVP, so you're right that we technically should but I think we should do what we did with the Aurex Beast Wars: keep everything on the BW pages because they're not quite different enough. -- Charles RB 16:06, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
- Several characters are alternately male or female depending on continuity. They aren't split based on that. Saix (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- Hrm. I guess. This feels different to me, though; probably because all other gender-switch characters are "same events, different gender", rather than "same general universe, different events, different gender". I'd be happier keeping this on its own page, but I can see the argument for merging, so... I guess? --Riptide (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- Ultimately, it boils down to "is this a version of RID Optimus Prime?" And considering how we now don't consider differing species enough to split pages... Saix (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- This might be related. We don't keep separate pages for all the Animated characters who were originally male before being given proper characterizations as females, which were explained as the result of time travelers altering history. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- I missed that, which Animated characters are those? They're really listed as both genders on their pages? -- Charles RB 18:07, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
- Sunstreaker, for one. Ugh. I guess I see your point. I suppose we should merge, even if we'll lose that excellent opening section. --Riptide (talk) 13:17, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- (Though if we do merge, would having the image caption as some variant of "Wait a minute... there's something bothering me about this place. I know! This lesbian bar doesn't have a fire exit! Enjoy your death trap, ladies." be workable?) --Riptide (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- If Sunstreaker's it and never had any fiction, is that really a precedent? (If we do merge though, good call for saving th intro, Riptide!) --Charles RB (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
- In my opinion, gender isn't a big enough factor to keep the pages separated. Alternate universe versions of characters that are a different gender is nothing new, even though beforehand it was mostly due to differences Japanese/American marketing decisions. If Airazor got some new fiction exclusive to Japan, and was treated as a male character in it, I think it's safe to say we'd list it on her main page. Heck, doesn't every universe where Transformers officially have no gender listed on the same page as incarnations from universes where they do have genders count towards this argument? --Ascendron (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- Good point, I'd forgotten about gender in dubs. Bums, merger seems her destiny. --Charles RB (talk) 19:40, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
- In my opinion, gender isn't a big enough factor to keep the pages separated. Alternate universe versions of characters that are a different gender is nothing new, even though beforehand it was mostly due to differences Japanese/American marketing decisions. If Airazor got some new fiction exclusive to Japan, and was treated as a male character in it, I think it's safe to say we'd list it on her main page. Heck, doesn't every universe where Transformers officially have no gender listed on the same page as incarnations from universes where they do have genders count towards this argument? --Ascendron (talk) 13:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- If Sunstreaker's it and never had any fiction, is that really a precedent? (If we do merge though, good call for saving th intro, Riptide!) --Charles RB (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
- I missed that, which Animated characters are those? They're really listed as both genders on their pages? -- Charles RB 18:07, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
- This might be related. We don't keep separate pages for all the Animated characters who were originally male before being given proper characterizations as females, which were explained as the result of time travelers altering history. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 12:12, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- Ultimately, it boils down to "is this a version of RID Optimus Prime?" And considering how we now don't consider differing species enough to split pages... Saix (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- Hrm. I guess. This feels different to me, though; probably because all other gender-switch characters are "same events, different gender", rather than "same general universe, different events, different gender". I'd be happier keeping this on its own page, but I can see the argument for merging, so... I guess? --Riptide (talk) 11:45, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- Several characters are alternately male or female depending on continuity. They aren't split based on that. Saix (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
- This Optimus Prime had turned up in some previous fiction (the play at OTFCC) and Scourge is just a line on AVP, so you're right that we technically should but I think we should do what we did with the Aurex Beast Wars: keep everything on the BW pages because they're not quite different enough. -- Charles RB 16:06, 18 August 2015 (GMT)
"Literally"
If it's wordplay, it still doesn't meet the definition of "literally". --Khajidha (talk) 11:36, 22 November 2021 (EST)
- 司令官 means "commander". Kanji are meaning-based characters and not phonological-based, so fiction can change the pronunciation for whatever reason. Saix (talk) 11:48, 22 November 2021 (EST)
- That was kind of my bad due to unclear phrasing in the note. Fixed now. -AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 12:30, 22 November 2021 (EST)
