Talk:Along Came a Spider
"The clicking noise that the giant organic spiders make sounds somewhat like the clicking noises of the Predator aliens from the Predator movies, which was created by none other than Peter Cullen, voice of G1 Optimus Prime."
Not every element of every Transformers story is a circuitous fanwank/homage (or "fromage"). Can we all admit to ourselves that it's just a coincidence that both Peter Cullen and cartoon spiders have made clicking sounds? -Rotty 22:18, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- If Peter Cullen didn't make the Preds' clicking sounds, I might agree with you, but since he did, it DOES relate to Transformers (in a roundabout way, but still!). Also, Spiderman did show up in one Marvel TF comic, so that reference should stay as well. Stop being a spoilsport, Rotty, and put them back in! --Nightshade83 22:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Considering that, according to Cullen himself, he got the noise from the sound sunbaked horseshoe crabs make, he didn't create it either. And this is the kind of thing that leads to misinformation being spread, and overreaching fan-speculation being touted as fact. "Insectoid-things make clicking noises" is beyond generic. I say we leave them both out. --M Sipher 23:52, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
- Here's my two cents. No where is the reference saying that the sound is an intentional homage (fromage, love it!), but an interesting coincidence. Sipher, if Cullen didn't "create" it, then why would he be credited for it in the first Predator movie? They didn't go out to a beach with a mike, flip a crab and record the noise. It was his creative choice to imitate the sound and, according to his retelling of the story, the director of the film loved it. It came from him, so I think that he created it. And it's a very iconic sound in the sci-fi pantheon. I think the connection makes an interesting bit of trivia.--Suzyprime 01:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Except there is no connection. As Sipher says, "Insectoid-things making clicking noise" is totally generic, there's absolutely nothing to suggest that it's anything to do with Predator. What is basically being asked for here is a line which says "This thing coincidentally happens to sound a bit like something else that's not related in any way to Transformers... but, uh, that thing that has nothing to do with this was done by a guy who was in Transformers." I don't flippin' think. - Chris McFeely 01:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Here's my two cents. No where is the reference saying that the sound is an intentional homage (fromage, love it!), but an interesting coincidence. Sipher, if Cullen didn't "create" it, then why would he be credited for it in the first Predator movie? They didn't go out to a beach with a mike, flip a crab and record the noise. It was his creative choice to imitate the sound and, according to his retelling of the story, the director of the film loved it. It came from him, so I think that he created it. And it's a very iconic sound in the sci-fi pantheon. I think the connection makes an interesting bit of trivia.--Suzyprime 01:19, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
What Nightshade and Suzy are asking for is a bit of trivia, not a "reference". It's a series of coincidental connections that some people may find amusing or interesting, sort of like the Kevin Bacon game. Personally, I'm not especially interested by it, but if some people are, I don't see what's wrong with putting it into the trivia. It just needs to be written in a way that makes it clear it is not a reference/homage, but a coincidence. So, putting it under "real world references" is not appropriate. But under "Miscellaneous trivia" (and written carefully) the worst that could be said of it is "boring". --Steve-o 01:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Steve-o, exactly. But if it makes someone's blood boil to include it, then forget it. Chris, very snarky. The sarcasm detector just blew up in my face. I thought it was a fun bit of trivia. Guess not.--Suzyprime 02:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- So we can have references to Charlie Brown, which has absolutely nothing to do with Transformers, but we can't mention Peter Cullen's Predator sound effects or Spiderman? Okkkaaay. What's wrong with that picture?--Nightshade83 04:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- The validity of this point's inclusion aside, it doesn't really sound to me like the Predator noise. It's more of a high-pitched, squeaky clicking, as opposed to the flatter, bubblier tone of the Predator's noise. Were it not for that, I'd be with Steve-O; not especially enthused about its inclusion, but not objecting on principle either.--Apcog 04:25, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Because a guy in a ghost costume with a big cloud of dust underneath is pretty much a straight Great Pumpkin lift. A bug making a click click noise is not directly related to any fucking thing. -hx 04:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- This conversation is good because it is bringing some issues to light, namely what content is acceptable for citation in either the Real World or Misc. Trivia sections. What are the criteria for these sections? Are they established in stone, unspoken in the collective meme, or just simple majority rule? Right now, it seems pretty subjective to me.--Suzyprime 05:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
