Talk:The War to End All Wars, Part 5
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Death tally
In issues like this one, where minor characters get offed in the background, some sort of list of the dead seems appropriate in the notes. Just something to consider going forward. -- Repowers (talk) 20:56, 19 March 2014 (EDT)
- Poor Slingshot...he can't survive any Marvel finale.--Nu-Priest (talk) 11:36, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
- I put together a death tally for all of RG1 over at Transfans though for this issue it was easier just to list who's still alive. I can post it here if it'll be helpful? --Emvee (talk) 15:17, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
- If you want to get really technical everyone dies.--Altercron (talk) 17:07, 20 March 2014 (EDT)
I too like the ideas of 'death lists' for events like this. --MissRatbat (talk) 01:36, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
- Here's how I broke it down for the whole series, though probably inaccurate and mostly cut 'n' pasted:
- The Last Autobot is nuked.
- The Skyscorchers are executed by three of the Deluxe Insecticons.
- All of the human characters bar two, and most of the population of Earth are dead.
- The 84/85/86 Decepticons - with the exception of the big five, Megatron, Soundwave, Shockwave, Starscream and Ravage - and the Monsterbots, for some reason, were lobotomised and turned into zombies, then they're beaten by the Autobots, deactivated and incinerated from orbit.
- Ratchet spent 21 years as a face, and then Kup shoots him.
- Optimus Prime puts Megatron down for good.
- Lightspeed and Nosecone and probably others get eaten by Demons.
- Slapdash and a few generics are killed by the Autobot Headmasters.
- Misfire and Treadshot are killed by Scorponok and Grimlock respectively.
- Pounce is shot in the head by Crosshairs.
- Roadblock and Scorponok fall into the Sonic Canyons.
- Poor Cosmos.
- Windbreaker goes out with a sad [i]parp[/i].
- Just to make sure we know it, we see Buster and Jessie killed by Ratbat in a carwash, plus Movie Ultra Magnus, Kup, Springer, Arcee and Rodimus are killed in another timestream. Jhiaxus killed Boltax, Decanus, Tallus and Rokan.
- Monstructor is quite comprehensively ripped apart.
- Mainframe's definitely dead.
- The G2 guys kill a load of Demons.
- Hound buys it while taking on the G2 guys.
- Jhiaxus kills Joyride, Sky High, Crosshairs and Brainstorm. The Wreckers and Shockwave slaughter thousands of G2 guys. Galvatron takes out a bunch of generic Autobots..
- Almost EVERYONE WHO WAS LEFT ON CYBERTRON is consumed by some sort of energy shadow-leech thing. Iguanus, Soundwave, Beastbox, Squalktalk, Howlback, Wingthing, Slugfest and Overkill explicitly, Scattershot implicitly. But pretty much everyone else is dead apart from Shockwave, Starscream and Ravage.
- From the final issue it's probably easier to list who's still alive. The characters we've seen are Rodimus, Blurr, Jetfire, Blaster, Ultra Magnus, Kup, Nightbeat, Bumblebee, Chromedome, Wheeljack, Streetwise, Blades, Groove, Powerglide, Jazz, Getaway, Beachcomber, Skids, Fastlane, Prowl, Broadside, Whirl, Topspin, Sandstorm, Roadbuster, Rack 'n' Ruin and Hardhead plus the ever-indestructible Dinobots. We can assume some other Autobots are off-panel as well, as we later see Perceptor, Mirage, Red Alert and (bizarrely) Backstreet alive, as well as Hosehead, Slingshot and Tailgate (aw) who show up just to get shadow-leeched to death. As does Streetwise.
- Magnus puts down Galvatron like a mad dog.
- Fort Max comes back wrong and has to be put down.
- Optimus Prime dies (again).
- By the end of the issue, all the other Transformers are dead apart from Rodimus, who dies.
- Like I say, it's not 100% accurate but it could be a useful start. --Emvee (talk) 16:31, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
Howlback: the only female Transformer in this continuity. Also: dead. --ItsWalky (talk) 17:20, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
- The Skyscorchers survived the Insecticons attack. They were seen as prisoners in #87. ('Course, that means they died in #100, but whatev.) Don't recall seeing Mainframe die on-panel. --Xaaron (talk) 17:37, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
- Also Skram and Gunrunner were killed by Galvatron. Escargon (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
- An explosion went off near Skram...doubt that killed him. And Gunrunner must have survived getting shot by the Unicron cosplayers since he was killed by Jhiaxus in #99. --Xaaron (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
- Also Skram and Gunrunner were killed by Galvatron. Escargon (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
Additional Rodimus?
There's another tiny Rodimus fighting the Dark Matrix creature, and he's colored orangy. Is this guy Dark Of The Moon Rodimus? Escargon (talk) 19:04, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
- The one left of centre, between IDW Rodimus and Excellion? Given the shoulder assemblies, wheel and windshield locations and yellow fists, I took that to be Alternators Rodimus coloured a bit off. - Chris McFeely (talk) 19:18, 21 March 2014 (EDT)
Botanica?
Do we know for certain that the Cybertronian born from that coccoon at the end is Botanica? Like, was it ever confirmed? Or do people just assume it because their silhouette resembles Botanica? Bluie (talk) 10:11, 21 June 2024 (EDT)
- I looked it up. According to Furman himself, the being isn't necessarily Botanica, but "something like Botanica":
- https://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/transformers-regeneration-one-100-script-wrap/#comment-10130
- Not sure how the page should be edited to reflect that. What should we call a nameless character like that? Bluie (talk) 14:07, 8 July 2024 (EDT)
- It's fine as it is; anything beyond what's published on the page is considered authorial intent, although a note saying that Furman noted it might not literally be Botanic wouldn't hurt. Escargon (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2024 (EDT)
- Except that the published page never identified the character as Botanica. That's literally just a guess fans made based on nothing more than their silhouette. Bluie (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2024 (EDT)
- Because the silhouette is clearly drawn to be Botanica. There's no real need to split hairs over it. Escargon (talk) 19:20, 8 July 2024 (EDT)
- Having the same or similar shape to another Transformer doesn't mean being that Transformer. You should know that by this point. For instance, Thundercracker isn't Starscream, Packrat isn't Rattrap and Apelinq isn't Optimus Primal.
- There is nothing in the published story that establishes that character as Botanica. The fact that some (but not all) fans interpreted it as Botanica is irrelevant.
- Don't pretend that some random fans' interpretation is more relevant to canon than the author's word. Authorial intent is only "wrong" when it contradicts the published work, which it doesn't here. Bluie (talk) 14:19, 9 July 2024 (EDT)
- Considering that the vast majority of your edits have been the result of your own misinterpretations of material, I’m going to say you’re in no place to judge anything about this. Escargon (talk) 14:42, 9 July 2024 (EDT)
- Literally false. The only thing I misinterpreted was the context of a sentence in a TFWiki page, and that was once. And the fact you resort to personal attacks instead of trying to counter my point proves you have no point. Bluie (talk) 14:46, 9 July 2024 (EDT)
- Well let’s see. For one your point about shared body types completely falls flat considering that no one else shares Botanica’s design. And for second, the fact you’re the only person who has had any quibble with this in the past decade, you’re seriously overstating the claim that only “some fans” believe this. Escargon (talk) 14:55, 9 July 2024 (EDT)
- The fact the Transformer in this story has a completely different context and story from Botanica (who got her plant form from scanning plants in another planet and then getting Reformatted by the Maximals in Cybetron, rather than being born with it in Cybertron) already sets them apart from the BM character. And discussion threads like https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/regeneration-one-hundred-spoilers.978710/ show that the Botanica belief isn't universal like you imply. Bluie (talk) 15:00, 9 July 2024 (EDT)
- Well let’s see. For one your point about shared body types completely falls flat considering that no one else shares Botanica’s design. And for second, the fact you’re the only person who has had any quibble with this in the past decade, you’re seriously overstating the claim that only “some fans” believe this. Escargon (talk) 14:55, 9 July 2024 (EDT)
- Literally false. The only thing I misinterpreted was the context of a sentence in a TFWiki page, and that was once. And the fact you resort to personal attacks instead of trying to counter my point proves you have no point. Bluie (talk) 14:46, 9 July 2024 (EDT)
- Considering that the vast majority of your edits have been the result of your own misinterpretations of material, I’m going to say you’re in no place to judge anything about this. Escargon (talk) 14:42, 9 July 2024 (EDT)
- Because the silhouette is clearly drawn to be Botanica. There's no real need to split hairs over it. Escargon (talk) 19:20, 8 July 2024 (EDT)
- Except that the published page never identified the character as Botanica. That's literally just a guess fans made based on nothing more than their silhouette. Bluie (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2024 (EDT)
- It's fine as it is; anything beyond what's published on the page is considered authorial intent, although a note saying that Furman noted it might not literally be Botanic wouldn't hurt. Escargon (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2024 (EDT)
