Talk:Alpha Trion/Shattered Glass
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Jump to navigationJump to searchSo, this would be the old coot that Shattered Glass Optimus and crew shuffled off?--RosicrucianTalk 03:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- Maybe. Alpha Trion's description of his home universe doesn't totally mesh with what we're shown in Shattered Glass. He says his world was at peace and the war was over. But SG Prime dumped his "Old One" seemingly in the middle of that world's conflict. Though it would make sense, personality-wise, it would require A3 to lie. Not outside the realm of possibility, but not something we can totally count on. A trivia note about the distinct possibility is in order, so long as we don't overdue it. --ItsWalky 03:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- I might note that the apparent discrepancy between A3's description and the "Shattered" reality as we know it can be explained by several means. 1) A3 is lying (as you, Walky, suggest), 2) Sideswipe is lying (unlikely), 3) It might be important to note when A3 is pulled out of the Shattered reality. We don't really get that strongly that A3 was "dumped" by Prime (although this is certainly likely), nor that it occurred in the "middle" of the conflict. It could, for example, be before the Decepticons were a force to be reckoned with, and Prime was ruling his world with an iron fist. We definitely get the impression that the Decepticon rebellion had to build up from almost nothing, and that this took a long-time grass-roots effort. 4) Perhaps A3's craziness extends to how he viewed even his home universe. He honestly thinks that his world was at peace, but is incapable of comprehending the full reality due to his madness.--G.B. Blackrock 16:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- Just got the latest issue in the mail, and it sounds even more unlikely that he comes from the Shatterverse. Alpha Trion to Skyfall: "This sword was not originally mine. It belonged to a Decepticon leader named 'Slaughter'. It contains much of his original programming, encrypted so deeply that it is impossible to change or remove. The bearer of the sword is under constant assault by the thoughts of an ancient and evil mind. [...] But these many years, I have resisted this sword's evil influence. I believe you embody a similar strength of character." While it's possible that Trion is a warmongering Autobot who sees the peace-loving Decepticons as "evil," his fear of the sword seems out of place in that scenario; I would expect contempt. Plus he's giving it to an Autobot who has shown no signs of the Shatterversal inversion, and Trion certainly would've figured out by this point that the Shatterverse isn't the norm. And on top of it all, "Slaughter" is an unlikely name for a heroic Decepticon. - Jackpot 21:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- Of course, that gets into the "Alpha Trion as unreliable narrator" issue still.--RosicrucianTalk 22:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- Just got the latest issue in the mail, and it sounds even more unlikely that he comes from the Shatterverse. Alpha Trion to Skyfall: "This sword was not originally mine. It belonged to a Decepticon leader named 'Slaughter'. It contains much of his original programming, encrypted so deeply that it is impossible to change or remove. The bearer of the sword is under constant assault by the thoughts of an ancient and evil mind. [...] But these many years, I have resisted this sword's evil influence. I believe you embody a similar strength of character." While it's possible that Trion is a warmongering Autobot who sees the peace-loving Decepticons as "evil," his fear of the sword seems out of place in that scenario; I would expect contempt. Plus he's giving it to an Autobot who has shown no signs of the Shatterversal inversion, and Trion certainly would've figured out by this point that the Shatterverse isn't the norm. And on top of it all, "Slaughter" is an unlikely name for a heroic Decepticon. - Jackpot 21:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
- I might note that the apparent discrepancy between A3's description and the "Shattered" reality as we know it can be explained by several means. 1) A3 is lying (as you, Walky, suggest), 2) Sideswipe is lying (unlikely), 3) It might be important to note when A3 is pulled out of the Shattered reality. We don't really get that strongly that A3 was "dumped" by Prime (although this is certainly likely), nor that it occurred in the "middle" of the conflict. It could, for example, be before the Decepticons were a force to be reckoned with, and Prime was ruling his world with an iron fist. We definitely get the impression that the Decepticon rebellion had to build up from almost nothing, and that this took a long-time grass-roots effort. 4) Perhaps A3's craziness extends to how he viewed even his home universe. He honestly thinks that his world was at peace, but is incapable of comprehending the full reality due to his madness.--G.B. Blackrock 16:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'll add to the above that there seems to be no indication that A3 got this sword from a Shattered Universe Decepticon, even assuming he's telling the truth about that part. (I confess I don't have my copy yet, so feel free to correct me on that). He may have picked up the sword some time after his departure from his "home" universe. "Slaughter" is a perfectly likely name for a non-heroic Decepticon....--G.B. Blackrock 23:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- I suppose that's true; Slaughter could've been a denizen of Axiom Nexus, or maybe A3 had traveled to other universes between the Shatterverse and the TTverse. Ultimately, I expect some kind of closure on A3's character by the end of this storyline, so hopefully this discussion will be moot soon. - Jackpot 23:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'll add to the above that there seems to be no indication that A3 got this sword from a Shattered Universe Decepticon, even assuming he's telling the truth about that part. (I confess I don't have my copy yet, so feel free to correct me on that). He may have picked up the sword some time after his departure from his "home" universe. "Slaughter" is a perfectly likely name for a non-heroic Decepticon....--G.B. Blackrock 23:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
So, what's the deal with this one? why do you make him sound so bad? ("Transcendent" is hard to get, in Europe)--81.242.160.202 21:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
fiction
So anyone willing to fill the fiction part?--GUIGUI 13:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Waaaaay behind.
Honestly, I'd write this myself if I had access to club comics, but this is in dire need of a rewrite, and potentially even a move to Alpha Trion (Shattered Glass).--RosicrucianTalk 18:23, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
- Is Skyfall even dead or what? Slaughter's page says so, anyway, but so much Timeline stuff is behind the times. Antimatter 19:24, 29 April 2009 (EDT)
