Talk:Alpha Trion

General

I've decided that Sig-Omega and UT Alpha Trion are totally the same guy. UT Alpha Trion's specific altered-version-of-G1-Alpha-Trion's-design is obviously directly copied from Sig-Omega. And S-O remains unnamed until after he stops appearing, so I could easily imagine Lee and Khanna not being aware, and assuming that this totally-Alpha-Trion dude is totally Alpha Trion. --ItsWalky 06:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Alpha and Nexus Prime

So, according to what I've read on the wiki, Nexus Prime's club bio states that Alpha Trion and Vector Prime split him and the Star Saber up. So is Alpha Trion supposed to be one of the Thirteen, or is this some other really old Alpha Trion from somewhere in the multiverse? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SFH (talk • contribs){{#if:13:08, 27 December 2009| 13:08, 27 December 2009|}}.

We don't have any clue yet at this point. The bio just says Alpha Trion was somehow involved, with no real indication of which Alpha Trion it is, or what have you. --Jeysie 13:19, 27 December 2009 (EST)

It is as Jeysie says. This is why the links go to the disambiguation page. If we knew, we'd have pointed the link towards a specific one. --ItsWalky 13:25, 27 December 2009 (EST)

13

All right, he's confirmed as one of the 13. Should we begin a project to merge the above articles, seeing as he's a singularity?72.128.51.130 22:39, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

See Talk:Thirteen#Alpha Trion --Jeysie 22:47, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

Trying out a note as an, at least temp, solution

Trying out a note and a seperate page for the definate Singularity Trion info as a solution for this at least for now. Does this work for folks at all? --ZacWilliam 22:24, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

Is there a point to keeping the note now that the Wiki has conceded the Aligned Thirteen aren't the same as the Multiverse Thirteen? Mimi (talk) 21:03, 9 February 2014 (EST)

Maybe at least a rephrasing of the note to let people know that not only is it just the Aligned Alpha Trion who's a member of the Thirteen, but also that his being a member of the Aligned Thirteen doesn't make him a Mulitversal Singularity like the Multiversal Thirteen are. --Sabrblade (talk) 22:06, 9 February 2014 (EST)

Does that mean we can also take the huge grey notes off the intros of all the Alpha Trion articles? Or at least move them down to the Notes sections? --abates (talk) 21:43, 27 February 2014 (EST)

I think they should be removed entirely, to be honest. What Aligned Alpha Trion is has no relevance to older Alpha Trions. And perhaps the Aligned Thirteen character articles should be split. Mimi (talk) 08:45, 28 February 2014 (EST)

G1

BotCon toy

It seems obvious, given the preview pages from the Transtech comic, that we'll be needing to move the BotCon toy to Alpha Trion (Timelines) soon... --ItsWalky 05:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm not quite so sure. He makes it clear that he's not one of the Transtechs himself, so he could still be from, say, a G1 or UT universe, and thus belong on one of those pages instead. He would only get moved to (Transtech) if he's a new guy. If he's a version of G1 or UT Alpha Trion, he'd still go on either of those pages. We might not ever get a specific answer, either. --ItsWalky 05:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I just made a note to this effect in the page itself, but didn't think to check this discussion first. If this is too spoilery, feel free to revert.--G.B. Blackrock 18:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Given what we now know of his background, I think it's safe to go ahead and set up the Alpha Trion (Transtech) article. Any dissent? Chip 04:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd use "Timelines" instead. --ItsWalky 04:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why we don't just put the Alpha Trion botcon figure as being the G1 version. The figure was released prior the SG fiction even existing. His profile card has the classics insignia just like all the other figs released that Botcon. The usage of the model in SG comes like a year after the toy was released. There isn't anything to officially say the Botcon figure was actually MEANT to be anything other than the G1 version since as far as I know all of the appearances of this charachter model debuted after the figure's release. Its similar to how Galvatron has no appearance in the classics fiction but Galvatron II does, but we still place the Universe release as G1 Galvatron while giving a note that the on package bio could refer to either one. Similarly Alpha Trion's release was in the Botcon 2007 line but was used in the SG fiction, but nonetheless there's nothing explicitly saying he was released with the INTENTION of being of SG Alpha Trion so he would best be put as the G1 version and count as a repurpose.--BlackStarscream 18:51, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

Images

I think we need some better images. Does anybody have a wider shot of A3 from FIaLTC? And a shot of him from War Dawn? Hey, Monzo, where are ya? --ItsWalky 04:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

• yeah that picture of Alpha Trion and Elita One looks like the bad touch.

That's on purpose! (Since my request above, I have solved the image crisis.) --ItsWalky 02:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

X-Men

Am I the only one who thinks that Alpha Trion looks like Onslaught from The X-Men?

Except with a beard.

And a visible face. --Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 23:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

We should add something about A3 being the first transformers and abotu A1 and A2 being failures X-BoB58

Therin lies the greatness of Wiki. You don't really need a group consensus to do that.--Octopus Prime- King of the Road! 00:53, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

• I don't know how to add it in.

G1?

Should this entry have the "(G1)" tag we add to most characters, or is he considered universal, like Unicron or Primus?--G.B. Blackrock 17:07, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why Alpha Trion would be "universal" (multiversal?). There are versions of him in other continuities, yes, but the same is true for Optimus Prime. I think you probably have to be a god to be the same guy everywhere. --KilMichaelMcC 17:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Failures?

Is there any actual basis for the statement "A1 and A2 were failures" in the cartoon, or was X-Bob just being funny?--G.B. Blackrock 17:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

It was in one of the old Comic Bom-bom issues, it was hosted at Hydra's site but now that's down.

Who said this? And are Comic Bom-bom issues (which I have no access to) considered canon?--G.B. Blackrock 23:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

A. The Issiue in question was hosted at TFPulp wich is now down, you can ask Hydra or Buster over at the allspark for more info. X-BoB58 23:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I assume this means that you posted the bit to which I asked "Who said this?" Thanks for the info. However, it doesn't actually answer my main question, which is "are the Comic Bom-Bom issues considered canon?" However, I grant that this is a bad question. More to the point, are they considered in the same continuity as the G1 cartoon that Alpha Trion originated in? If not, this statement should be sent to a note lower in the article, under a "Comic Bom-Bom" heading (see the Wreckers and Dreamwave Comics headings for examples). It is appropriate to include on the Wiki, but probably should not be part of Alpha Trion's defining bio at the top of the page.--G.B. Blackrock 23:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Especially considering how loose the J-fiction tends to play. --M Sipher 00:03, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I would consider them cartoon-Cannon but others may not X-BoB58 00:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Cartoon-cannon is a dicey issues, because the japanese cartoond is brannch off later, and it had some events even before the movie (scramble city) that were noticably different.

(Did the Ark awaken in 1985 in the Japanese cartoon? I want to say that it did, but I don't think i have a basis to support that, it just want' released until 85 there.)-derik18:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

From the defunkt TfCyberbon/TFPulp

This Bom-Bom continues to move into the 2010 period, with character designs of Cyclonus. There's a paragraph which describes him as holding a position similar to that of Starscream, while mentioning his personality as "having discarded his humanism in order to become a coldhearted battle machine." Interesting to see his cockpit. Then, there's an absolutely fascinating 2-page spread on the Quintessons, describing the function of each face. There's also a timeline in some sort of Seibertron years describing the Quintessons, Vector Sigma, and the first Transformers. According to this, in Seibertronian year 285, A-3 was the first robot to be successfully born via Vector Sigma, A-1 and A-2 having been failures. Then, there are a couple pages showing upcoming releases, foreign items, and some neat merchandise like phone cards. What a month!

Image -Derik 06:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

In absolute terms, Alpha Trion can't have been the first Transformer/Cybertronian ever created; he had no idea how to deal with the Hate Plague in The Return Of Optimus Prime, which prompted Prime to journey further back. If "further back" was two stillborn guys, he wouldn't have been able to find anyone to combat that menace.

That arguement aside - since it's a note from a secondary source (ie nothing of the sort is mentioned in the 'toon), it should probably go in a footnote/Trivia section at the end of his profile rather than the main section, I reckon. -- Monzo 23:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Moustache

20mil BC? 9mil, right? -Derik 06:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

11, actually. - Chris McFeely 20:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Sound effects?

The instructions say he has them; we're sure he doesn't? --Thylacine 2000 02:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Pretty sure he doesn't. Mine doesn't even have the metal contact points in the battery compartment. The electronics are stripped. --ItsWalky 02:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Greatest?

Not to open a can of worms, beat a dead horse, etc., etc., etc., but I would think the phrase "Cybertron's greatest hero" attributed to Optimus Primal is a contested title, unless all of the fandom voted at some point and time and decided on this.

If so, then fine...I'll curl up in a corner and cry, but if not then I think those kind of statements should be reserved for the Beast Wars Wiki.

Just my opinion. --Suzyprime 04:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

BWX Optimus Primal's profile says outright he's at least ONE of Cybertron's greatest heroes. And, frankly, he must be #1, if Primus picked him, out of, well, every Transformer who ever existed in any universe, to fight Primus' armies against Unicron's. He didn't bring back Optimus Prime, he didn't bring back Rodimus Prime, he didn't even bring back Big Red. Optimus Primal was brought back from death (after saving the entire planet with an army of seven... against millions) to lead Primus' forces in his darkest hour.

(And, really, this IS the Beast Wars wiki. Beast Wars IS a good chunk of Transformers.) --ItsWalky 05:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not denying Beast Wars its place in the lore. I like Beast Wars 100 times more than the anime crap out there.

And I have no trouble granting to Primal the status as ONE of Cybertron's greatest heroes. Fine. IMHO, he's better than Rodimus and Ultra Magnus put together. But THE greatest? Again, when was the vote to determine this? My point is, isn't the use of this description on this page an obvious and disputed bias?

Are you attributing this title to him just because in one comic continuity Primus picks him to return from the dead and fight a battle against Unicron? Is that the official word then?

If so...boo, hiss.--Suzyprime 05:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll admit it's a pretty strong statement when comparing him to someone as iconic as Optimus Prime, but as you said, there is not denying that he is one of Cybertron's greatest heroes. But I don't think there was any sort of fandom vote. -- SFH 06:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this isn't a fandom issue. This is more his place in the canon. I like Optimus Prime as much as anyone, but Primal did do something more significant.--Rosicrucian^Talk 06:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, crap. The truth comes out. You're all a bunch of monkey-lovers. :) --Suzyprime 06:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, it IS the best Transformers ever. Until Animated comes out, maybe. --ItsWalky 06:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeesh, Suzy. It's a statement in the Wreckers/Universe section of the fiction. In the Wreckers/Universe continuity, he's stated to be all that and a bag of chips. It doesn't affect other continuities.--Rosicrucian^Talk 06:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay Rosi. Point taken. In this context it makes sense, but -- as the lone Gee-Wun fan here -- I can disagree with its use. :) Good night fellas.--Suzyprime 06:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Besides, Beast Wars is a continuation of the G1 cartoon (mostly, with parts of the G1/G2 comic) and Wreckers/Universe is set after Beast Machines, so if you're going by the original G1 cartoon continuity, then canonically, Primal is the greatest hero in Cybertronian history. Really, G1 Prime never did anything in the cartoon continuity as impressive as what Primal achieved. --FFN 07:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Though Prime did kill Unicron in the Marvel Comics. -- SFH 17:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

And sacrificed himself to bring the light of Primus to the Swarm, thus paving the way for the creation of the Vok. Which is in continuity with Wreckers/Universe by way of Primeval Dawn. But Wreckers/Universe is a continuity mess even before it transitioned into multiple continuities crossing over. To this day I'm not sure what they cherry picked from the cartoon and the comic.--Rosicrucian^Talk 18:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Primal did save earth from the Planet Buster, didn't he? I'll give him that.--Suzyprime 05:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That was the first time he died. The second, he plunged himself and Megatron into the center of Cybertron, saving that planet, too. And then Primus brought him back to save all planets in all universes in all realities. And he did! --ItsWalky 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like Primal is one big glory hog. ;) --Suzyprime 05:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC) Insert non-formatted text here

His Titan Return figure does have an Autobot insignia

I noticed on the entry for his Titan Return figure is says,

"Curiously, he lacks any Autobot insignia on his body", 

But he does in fact have one, which is also visible in the image in used for the figure on the page. It is located on his front left leg of his lion mode (I have the figure and I just checked to make sure). Sure it is not visible in robot mode and perhaps this is what the writer of the entry meant to say, but it could be confusing for anyone looking up info about the figure. Melissa (talk) 04:44, 13 January 2019 (EST)

Marcelo and Trion

https://twitter.com/marcelomatere/status/1651264558307348481?t=2GhFS1cM3NnO3YpZ_WoEMw&s=19 I don't know what this means, did he design it or something?Poliwag06 (talk) 06:19, 27 April 2023 (EDT)

RID

I notice that this is tagged with the Japanese-original characters category. Was Alpha Trion actually mentioned in the original Car Robots version? The reason I ask is that some RID things such as Gigatron = Megatron and the whole Auggie Cahnay thing were US adaptations, not instigated in the Japanese version. Therefore, if Alpha Trion isn't mentioned in the original dialogue, can he really be a "Japanese-original character"? Just a thought. 118.208.199.214 13:27, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

I think you may be right. - Starfield 14:32, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

Toy placement

Hold the heck on. Since when have we actually had fiction identifying the BotCon 2007 Alpha Trion toy as RiD? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

I was wondering the same thing. Is there something in AVP confirming this somewhere? I don't recall reading it. --Ascendron (talk) 20:05, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

If you look at Beta Maxx's profile, it mentions that his partner is Alpha Trion. And since AVP confirmed that Beta Maxx is from Viron 704.31 epsilon, this pretty much confirms that his partner, Alpha Trion, is from there too. (Crossblades (talk) 20:25, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

A reasonable assumption. A note explaining this should be made to clarify things on the page itself. --Ascendron (talk) 20:40, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Good point. I'll get on it --Crossblades (talk) 20:45, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

But wasn't that Alpha Trion the Shattered Glass version? Couldn't he have picked up a partner from a Viron stream while in Axiom Nexus? --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Alpha Trion's toy came out in 2007. Shattered Glass wasn't introduced till 2008. It's clearly a repurpose. Plus, his profile makes no mention of the shattered glass universe. --Crossblades (talk)) 20:56, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Seems like the same kind of case as Jhiaxus (RID) where the first fictional material described the character as someone from one continuity, but AVP went "Well, they were also this other guy before the fiction came along, so there." --Ascendron (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

I am taking issue with the assertion that because Beta Maxx has been identified as originating in a Viron stream, therefore the Alpha Trion he's partnered with must also be from Viron. Because, again. Axiom Nexus. Multiverse. These are things. Especially when it comes to AVP answers. And unless there's one that specifically says "this body is what RID Alpa Trion looks like, too" I disagree with the placement of the toy on this article. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 21:36, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Hasn't FunPub explained that because of timing issues, they simply ended up utilizing the BotCon 2007 toy principally as the SG character? Plus, the fact that Alpha Trion's profile card makes him look good instead of evil is in keeping with SG Alpha Trion's lying nature, is it not? And the profile card mentions "three travelers" - referring to the events of Transcendent. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 21:42, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Do we get to see SG Alpha Trion's purple Autobot badge anywhere in his fictional appearances? The toy has a red Autobot badge, so that might be a factor in our decision as well. --Ascendron (talk) 21:43, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

That Red badge alone is proof that this toy was repurposed for Shattered Glass. Plus, Beta Maxx has not appeared in any fiction claiming to be partners with "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion. --Crossblades (talk) 22:11, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd still like to know for sure if SG Alpha Trion's purple badge is ever visible. Let's be thorough and impartial in this. --Ascendron (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

I don't understand what's happening here now. That toy is Shattered Glass Alpha Trion. This was a settled thing on this wiki, like, years ago. Look at G1 Alpha Trion's page, where it notes "Shattered Glass Alpha Trion was repurposed as Alpha Trion by Transformers Legends." SG A3 is the baseline, it's use for a different A3 is the repurpose. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

That toy's bio does not indicate whatsoever that he's evil or he's from the Shattered Glass universe. I think the wiki automatically assumed he's a Shattered Glass toy because of the fact it made its appearance in the shattered glass fiction. --Crossblades (talk) 23:03, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

AVP did imply (maybe) that this Alpha Trion might be represented by the toy. Unfortunately, I don't see any room for clarifications, seeing as the feature is focusing on different things as of late. AVP in the past has set some precedent over how a toy's first appearance in fiction doesn't necessarily mean that's what the toy initial portrayal was supposed to be, as with Jhiaxus, stated above. It also encouraged its readers to make their own leaps in logic, sometimes poking fun at certain things being "obvious." HOWEVER, from the facts presented up to now, it looks like the the evidence pointing towards this toy being RID Alpha Trion is very circumstantial evidence. I think we can all safely assume that when the toy was made, its creators did not have this Alpha Trion in mind. (It was most likely G1 Alpha Trion, and that debate's off the table.) Unless we can definitely find other hints that push this whole argument in one direction or the other, for now, I suggest at most relegating this whole thing to the Notes section of the article. Just point out that since Beta is RID, maybe Alpha Trion is as well. --Ascendron (talk) 23:22, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Fair Enough. Plus, you never know if someone will ask about this on AVP in the future and it gets clarified there. Once it does, We'll just make a quick edit on this page and call it a day. --Crossblades (talk)

There, edited things on the page itself. I trust this is a reasonable middle ground for both sides of the discussion? --Ascendron (talk) 23:52, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Looks good to me --Crossblades (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

If I can get any attention to this page, can we delete the mention of the toy? FP established years ago that BotCon 2007 Alpha Trion was the SG guy. AVP never touched RiD Alpha Trion. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 16:38, 21 September 2016 (EDT)

Shattered Glass

Alpha Trion's Identity

So, this would be the old coot that Shattered Glass Optimus and crew shuffled off?--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe. Alpha Trion's description of his home universe doesn't totally mesh with what we're shown in Shattered Glass. He says his world was at peace and the war was over. But SG Prime dumped his "Old One" seemingly in the middle of that world's conflict. Though it would make sense, personality-wise, it would require A3 to lie. Not outside the realm of possibility, but not something we can totally count on. A trivia note about the distinct possibility is in order, so long as we don't overdue it. --ItsWalky 03:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I might note that the apparent discrepancy between A3's description and the "Shattered" reality as we know it can be explained by several means. 1) A3 is lying (as you, Walky, suggest), 2) Sideswipe is lying (unlikely), 3) It might be important to note when A3 is pulled out of the Shattered reality. We don't really get that strongly that A3 was "dumped" by Prime (although this is certainly likely), nor that it occurred in the "middle" of the conflict. It could, for example, be before the Decepticons were a force to be reckoned with, and Prime was ruling his world with an iron fist. We definitely get the impression that the Decepticon rebellion had to build up from almost nothing, and that this took a long-time grass-roots effort. 4) Perhaps A3's craziness extends to how he viewed even his home universe. He honestly thinks that his world was at peace, but is incapable of comprehending the full reality due to his madness.--G.B. Blackrock 16:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Just got the latest issue in the mail, and it sounds even more unlikely that he comes from the Shatterverse. Alpha Trion to Skyfall: "This sword was not originally mine. It belonged to a Decepticon leader named 'Slaughter'. It contains much of his original programming, encrypted so deeply that it is impossible to change or remove. The bearer of the sword is under constant assault by the thoughts of an ancient and evil mind. [...] But these many years, I have resisted this sword's evil influence. I believe you embody a similar strength of character." While it's possible that Trion is a warmongering Autobot who sees the peace-loving Decepticons as "evil," his fear of the sword seems out of place in that scenario; I would expect contempt. Plus he's giving it to an Autobot who has shown no signs of the Shatterversal inversion, and Trion certainly would've figured out by this point that the Shatterverse isn't the norm. And on top of it all, "Slaughter" is an unlikely name for a heroic Decepticon. - Jackpot 21:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course, that gets into the "Alpha Trion as unreliable narrator" issue still.--Rosicrucian^Talk 22:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll add to the above that there seems to be no indication that A3 got this sword from a Shattered Universe Decepticon, even assuming he's telling the truth about that part. (I confess I don't have my copy yet, so feel free to correct me on that). He may have picked up the sword some time after his departure from his "home" universe. "Slaughter" is a perfectly likely name for a non-heroic Decepticon....--G.B. Blackrock 23:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I suppose that's true; Slaughter could've been a denizen of Axiom Nexus, or maybe A3 had traveled to other universes between the Shatterverse and the TTverse. Ultimately, I expect some kind of closure on A3's character by the end of this storyline, so hopefully this discussion will be moot soon. - Jackpot 23:55, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

So, what's the deal with this one? why do you make him sound so bad? ("Transcendent" is hard to get, in Europe)--81.242.160.202 21:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Because he is an SG Autobot, who are bad. --LokitheGrammarNazi 16:02, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

Doesn't anyone figure that some completely different characters happen to have the same name because one of them changed their original name? Maybe SG Alpha Trion's original name wasn't good enough for him so he changed into something he thought was original, much like how two completely different humans can have the same name because of a change. Of course, SG Alpha Trion probably wouldn't have let anone call him by his fictionally real name so we wouldn't ever hear about it in the canon. With that being said, it could be possible that the real Apha Trion is a good guy, not some transformer with multiple-personality-disorder. --LokitheGrammarNazi 16:02, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

fiction

So anyone willing to fill the fiction part?--GUIGUI 13:34, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Waaaaay behind.

Honestly, I'd write this myself if I had access to club comics, but this is in dire need of a rewrite, and potentially even a move to Alpha Trion (Shattered Glass).--Rosicrucian^Talk 18:23, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

Is Skyfall even dead or what? Slaughter's page says so, anyway, but so much Timeline stuff is behind the times. Antimatter 19:24, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

A3's Status as the first Shattered Glass toy

I'd say that's debatable at best, seeing as Dreadwind and Darkwind are Robot Masters Smokesniper and Gigant Bomb, who came out four years prior to the actual set. ---Blackout- 12:38, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

Excellent point! A repurpose is a repurpose is a repurpose. This is why trivia notes like 'A is the first / last / biggest / smallest / only' are pointless. [However, as a good candidate for being one of the 13, he may well be the first Shattered Glass CHARACTER ... not that that matters;)]--Jimsorenson 13:01, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

I really don't think he's a candidate for being one of the Thirteen. --ItsWalky 13:11, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

Neither do I. If it has a mirrorverse counterpart, it's not a multiversal singularity, and therefore, it cannot be one of the thirteen. ---Blackout- 13:29, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

Forest Lee has talked about how multiversal singularities can be influenced by the dimensions they're in, but I doubt that sort of thing would turn a Singularity Alpha Trion into a murderous jackass with delusions of multiversal conquest. And G1 A3 is far from the oldest Transformer discovered in the Matrix (as seen in The Return of Optimus Prime), so... --ItsWalky 13:40, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

So.....in a nutshell, A3 isn't a multiversal singularity. End of story, verdict has been reached. Next person to say otherwise without any plausible evidence to back up their theory will be murdered. With SG A3's sword. :) ---Blackout- 14:19, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

You mean Slaughter's sword, right? Anyway, none of this matters - that was a tongue-in-cheek remark. My real point is, it's wrong to call him the first toy. --Jimsorenson 14:35, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

Right now, I'd write a long and difficult-to-read essay on how Slaughter doesn't exist, but I won't because I'd bore you to death. Anyway, Dreadwind and Darkwind are the first actual toys. ---Blackout- 14:47, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

You'll get no argument from me on Alpha Trion not being one of the 13.

As for the toy thing, I guess you could still say he's the first SG character to get a toy officially sold as that character if you really wanted.

(And just to be utterly pedantic, I think either Demolishor, Bludgeon, or one of the three Targetmasters are the first SG toys in terms of the whole toyline, at least going by the years on their respective pages.) --Jeysie 15:33, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

Well I did write that point before old toys where repurposed, but we could rephrase it as being the first official SG toy, as seing the other trivia point his bio implies that he was always meant to be from there.Dead Metal 15:44, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

Notion has not been seconded.

SG A3 was originally a Classics toy. He is just as repurposed as any other toy.

*flees objects thrown by Dead Metal* ---Blackout- 13:27, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, toy Timelines Alpha Trion even has a red Autobot symbol. I think the toy was technically repurposed. --ItsWalky 13:38, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

I guess it depends on your definition of "repurposed".

To me, "repurposing" means saying that a toy that started out as one character also represents a completely different character.

But, correct me if I'm misunderstanding, Timelines Alpha Trion and Shattered Glass Alpha Trion are the exact same character. It's just that, at the time period represented by his toy, he was in the TransTech universe (hence "Timelines"). Does that still count as repurposed? --Jeysie 13:48, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, didn't Transcendent start pretty hot on the heels of Alpha Trion's release at BotCon?--Rosicrucian^Talk 13:55, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

"The Alpha Trion represented by this toy is the first Shattered Glass character, predating the first SG story by a good year." (It's not really a recton either... they were painting him in a sinister light from his first appearance.) -Derik 13:57, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, I agree with those who have said this doesn't count as a "repurposing." To me, it just looks like character evolution as the writer(s) figured out who he was through the process of storytelling, first via the bio and then the comic. But the whole thing is fuzzy enough that I don't think a statement like "first SG toy" counts either. It's a grey area that would gain no benefit from attempted definition. - Jackpot

If Pete Sinclair wasn't just giving me misdirection, he said they weren't sure exactly what to do with their Alpha Trion toy, story-wise, at the time of his release at BotCon 2007. So the "He's the Shattered Glass version" probably came later. So, TECHNICALLY repurposed (the "technically" is important), but PRACTICALLY? Not really, no. I wouldn't list him on the "repurposing" page, anyhow. --ItsWalky 14:03, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

I have to disagree with Rosicrucian. I just did a check, and Transcendent rolled out eight-nine months after BotCon. I don't think that's what you call "pretty hot on the heels". ---Blackout- 14:05, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

That's why I avoided 'first SG toy' in my suggestion above and instead defined it in terms of the character. -Derik 14:24, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

If we are going to make a note, I like Derik's phrasing. I just find it an interestingly weird edge-case to figure out whether we mention it or not. --Jeysie 14:47, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

I find repurposing more likely, since universal streams are numbered by date, and the main SG universe gets an April 2008 number, while his toy was released during BotCon 2007. So, I guess there are a couple of absolutely identical Alpha Trions throughout the TF muktiverse(which isn't unlikely).Item42 02:36, 16 February 2010 (EST)

As I've kind of explained in multiple edit summaries already, since Reunification is a part of the main continuity, that angle doesn't help. Especially since we don't use the universal streams in determining this sort of thing anyway. (In fact, we really don't use universal streams to determine... anything, AFAIK. You shouldn't dwell on them except as a bit of fun trivia.)

And, if you check Trion's disambig, there are, in fact, lots of nigh-identical Trions out there. --Jeysie 03:05, 16 February 2010 (EST)

Any reason we don't just list the toy as both G1 A3 and SGA3? I mean especially with that trivia note about his bio being "super misleading" when there's no reason to assume that the bio is actually meant to go with this Alpha Trion (in fact that note seems like a whiny fan trying to explain his/her fannon as cannon no offense; it just seems like a failed attempt at justifying the toy as specically Shattered glass A3) I don't see why we don't just put the toy as both charachters at the very least. Actually next Botcon someone should ask if the Botcon Alpha Trion toy represents both the original and Shattered Glass charachters or just the SG. Anyhow if BW Megatron's toys can be listed on G1 MEg's page because of how they were released originally, A3's case is just as compelling to me.--BlackStarscream 17:13, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

I'm with BlackStarscream; the bio and red Autobot symbol on the toy seem to indicate that it wasn't originally intended to be a Shattered Glass figure, & it was released a while before his appearance in Transcendent, or any other fiction. Thus, the toy should be considered as representing it's G1 namesake, & repurposed as it's Shattered Glass namesake. Abejorro97 (talk) 23:12, 18 November 2013 (EST)

Aha!

Maybe this is how it works: The SG universal stream is not numbered according to the Old One's release date because it represents him while he was pretending to be not evil. Which is why it hasn't got a purple Autobot logo. It's the first toy of an SG character, but it doesn't represent something within the SG universe.

More importantly, why does the Notes section have this bit:

He just "evolved" into what we now have with the publishing of Timelines stories featuring him{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:|{{{2}}}{{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}

He mostly appeared in the fan club magazine stories, which aren't called Timelines. So, shouldn't a more appropriate label (like Fun Publications) be used? I'd simply change it myself without asking this, but I'm not sure.Item42 08:24, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

The universal stream is always numbered/labeled according to the fiction, with the actual stories taking precedence over toy bios. Everything SG thus gets its designator solely from the BotCon issue that started the storyline.

You do have a point about the Timelines section, though. I presume people just tend to reflexively think of everything released through the Fanclub as Timelines. (It actually never occurred to me that the TFCC issues weren't considered to be Timelines.) --Jeysie 12:46, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

Alpha Trion's Sword

So it kind of occurred to me today... in "Reunification: Part 4" Aquarius says that Alpha Trion is connected somehow to the Omega Terminus. Which Rodimus in "Dungeons & Dinobots" says is controlled by the Terminus Blade. So now I find myself wondering if Alpha Trion's sword = that there Terminus Blade. --Jeysie 19:13, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

That seems likely! It's probably the SG counterpart of the Key to Vector Sigma. (And would explain why it's one of the few things that can pierce Skyfall's personal forceshield.) --ItsWalky 13:29, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

I had always figured that Skyfall's death was just a matter of the fate manipulation that seemed to revolve around the five (A personal forcefield that literally runs on plot? Heh.), but your further connection makes more sense.

Of course, this all goes a long way towards explaining why the SGverse is so messed up. We should probably be thankful the Matrix doesn't seem to exist.

In any case, I'll be interested to see if the last couple SG stories touch more on the Trion/Terminus connection in any way. --Jeysie 15:15, 15 March 2010 (EDT)

* Timelines Alpha Trion's profile card is super-misleading! It doesn't mention how he's evil at all! Just stuff about how he knows lots of things and has advised lots of Transformers, which is technically true. And how we don't know much about him yet. It doesn't say he's not evil, but...{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:page|page{{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}

That would be foreshadowing if it mentioned anything about his true nature, at worse case a spoiler.

Avoiding spoilers, but the answer is no, it's not Alpha Trion's sword.99.39.88.159 23:55, 27 April 2012 (EDT)

Strange link

The text “like all the others” in the beginning section links to a draft for the conceptual history of Alpha Trion rather than his main page. Is this a mistake or is there a reason for this? If so, what is it? --AssaultBread (talk) 13:07, 14 May 2025 (CDT)

I assume it's just a mistake from when that sandbox got copied over to this page. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 16:07, 14 May 2025 (EDT)

Zeratul is correct! Sorry about that. I had interconnected sandboxes for the whole suite and I missed a couple crosslinks. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 16:23, 14 May 2025 (EDT)

Animated

Canon creep

We have references here to a blog comment that says "...I guess this sort of makes him like a..." and what appears to be a joke twitter post with no context.
Declarative statements should be OK to clarify details, like the first part of the blog comment, "Alpha Trion is head of all of the civilian guilds that make up the non military portion of the Autobot High Council." That specifically clarifies his name and position. But I think this article is getting carried away. I think "vice-Magnus" should be dropped (because what Wyatt "guesses this sort of makes him like..." isn't really noteworthy) and references to Vector Sigma and retiring to Energon farms (because it appears to be a joke). - Starfield 12:33, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

Rank

Alpha Trion's name seems knida indicative of rank, ala Ultra Magnus. But that's just speculative.Hida Atarasi 02:36, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Evidence that he is a Multiversal singularity

I was reading over the AllSpark Almanac II and I found some things about Alpha Trion: He "claims to have fought in wars billions of [years] before the Decepticons were even a few lines of code." - Sentinel Prime. Considering how long the Dcepticons have been around in the Animated universe he'd probably have to be one of the thirteen to be that old. Also when talking about Sky Garry he says he's met him a few times in "this era" so this means he can jump dimensions. --Ninjabot33 09:36, 26 December 2010 (EST)

I'm pretty sure that's just evidence that he's old. --ItsWalky 10:11, 26 December 2010 (EST)

Sorry I thought "era" meant like a different timeline. Does it just mean like at a time 'cos it seems like then he's just saying he meets him every so often. --Ninjabot33 18:40, 26 December 2010 (EST)

"Era" just means a period of time. --Khajidha 18:50, 26 December 2010 (EST)

Sentinal Prime and Alpha Trion

I have noticed how Alpha Trion looks alot like Sentinal Prime from DOTM, would someone make a statement about that? --72.160.124.133 17:00, 20 November 2011 (EST)

Besides the mustache and cape, I don't see any resemblance. Tom Servo the Great 17:01, 20 November 2011 (EST)

Yes but I was thinking of color tone too. I just thought they looked similar. --72.160.124.133 18:07, 21 November 2011 (EST)

They both work on the archetype of wizened and bearded old mentor. Similarities are inevitable, but not notable. —Interrobang 19:26, 21 November 2011 (EST)

ROTF

Outdated data

The trivia mentions that this page assumes this is an autobot becuz Timelines Alpha Trion says so...but that was before multiversal singularities were destroyed, so should we de-classify the character from the Autobot and elderly categories? Or leave a footnote saying it's from the singularity days?Poliwag06 (talk) 01:22, 25 December 2023 (EST)

One

We have to make all the captions Morpheus quotes, right? Seems the obvious bit. Liliesrobots (talk) 14:58, 22 September 2024 (EDT)

Or, we can just...not do a theme. Not every page needs a theme. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:16, 22 September 2024 (EDT)