Talk:Scrapmetal (ROTF)

Does it really need to be "Ze little one"? As opposed to "Little one" or "Little Constructicon"? -- SFH 02:24, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Probably for comic effect since that's all he's been identified as in the film itself, not unlike The Fallen constantly having the "The" preceeding the name, or other such articles. --Detour 02:26, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

It has the benefit of leaving no question who the article refers to.

Also-- I'm not entirely sure about the "looks liek Scrapper, but has a different altmode." The scene in the film is clearly the product of two different 'shoots,' with backgrounds and vehicle positions not matching up, and the long shots showing different vehicles than the close-ups. A lot of the confusion about The Little One's identity comes from that-- there's a truss crane in some of the shots that's simply not there in others. -Derik 03:22, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Perhaps, but in the shots it's featured in, it has a blatant Decepticon sigil on its side. We see no such thing with the loader. --Detour 03:25, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Our best evidence, if we take everything 100% literally, is that he's a triple-changer and transformed between shots. Or scanned a new altmode between shots. - Starfield 10:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

Our best evidence, if we take everything literally, is that G1 Soundwave is a triple-changer capable of transforming into a perfect facsimile of Sideswipe's robot mode between shots.

It's a good thing we don't take everything 100% literally, because the inability to recognize a mistake as a mistake would be crippling. -Derik 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

It seems too unlikely to me that a red excavator transforms into a Scrapper-like robot - for one thing, there's no known example of a Transformer changing colour between modes in the Movieverse. It's possible that Scavenger was originally intended to join the others before they finalised his alt-mode, as occurs in some of the adaptations such as Rise of the Decepticons where the main image on the ROTF Constructicons page comes from. Given that the vehicle-shots before Devastator transforms don't match up with the transformation itself, I'm of the opinion that it's another editing goof and 'ze little one' is simply a Scrapper unit. (Which, given Rampage is smaller than him, puts Scalpel's eyesight into question...) Tarrn 08:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

The excavator is yellow, not red. It's not Scavenger's ginormous altmode, it's a smaller, yellow Volvo excavator. --Detour 13:30, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

Oops, you're right, my bad. I still think it's a editing goof, but the alt mode being smaller and the same colour does add more credibility to the theory. Tarrn 18:14, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

Wait, how did an allspark fragment revive someone killed by the WHOLE allspark?

Maybe because he was alive when he got killed but was dead when he got revived (I know it sounds obvious but keep reading because I don't mean it like that) just like electricity, when your alive it kills you (stops your heart) but when you are dead (with a stopped heart) it brings you back to life (restarts your heart). Lightning is actually more powerful than a defibrillator.90.198.156.78 13:33, 28 July 2009 (EDT)

The same way a cup of coffee jolts you up but a hundred cups kills you. --Detour 19:02, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

Jetfire indicated that Energon has some anti-entropic qualities. Mass doses will blow shit out, but lower doses can bring stuff to life.

Just like unleashign the full power of the matrix can nuke Unicron, but a tiny fragment of the Matrix's finite power can act as an 'extra life.' -Derik 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

Would it be at all possible to ask Orci, Bay, or any of the other reliable sources on this in the same manner we ask Wyatt things? If not, could someone remember to bring it up at the next interview with them (if there's room)? The compromise we're using works for now, but it is kind of iffy, and a clear explanation from someone in charge should clean this right up.KrytenKoro 00:35, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

Not that I'm against that or anything... But it seems blatantly obvious just from the context of the movies. "No Optimus! Don't put the cube in your chest! It's PURE ENERGY!" *Sam puts cube in Meg's chest* "Aaaaaaaaaargh!" *melt melt melt melt melt* (by the way, heat is a form of energy). Considering the cube was used to power up all of Cybertron... Yeah, the whole thing was probably too much for anyone to handle all at once. --Ascendron 03:49, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

I don't think Orci would be interested in that like Wyatt. In an interview he was asked to clarify Devastator and he said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." - Starfield 09:13, 16 July 2009 (EDT)