Talk:Nemesis Prime (G1)

Alternators

So, does the japanese version of it contain Die Cast or not?

Well, in a few months when you can buy one, let us know! --ItsWalky 01:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Nit-picky: I don't think he becomes Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy until the spark is put in him. Therefore, "Now, as Nemesis Prime, he returned to Arkeville's lair," wouldn't be true. Actually, the story explicitly stated he is under the control of AI programming, and was only named after Arkeville connected him to the evil life force. But, like I said, that's a nit pick.

What I really don't like is calling that other guy Vector Prime. For me, it's too great a leap. Just my thoughts. --Crockalley 21:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

If this G1 Nemesis Prime is man -made, what about "The War Within" Nemesis Prime from the Titanium Series?--Autobotx1010 21:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Having never seen the packaging and bio, I couldn't speculate. However it's worth noting that Arkeville never appeared in Dreamwave continuity, and thus Dreamwave continuity is not Alternators continuity. In other words, a "War Within" Nemesis Prime would be solidly in the Dreamwave-verse, and thus have no bearing on Alternators.--Rosicrucian 21:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sunstorm and Ricochet are clones in Dreamwave continuity, and not in others. Thus it's difficult to say what kind of status a Dreamwave Nemesis Prime would have based on his status in other continuities.

If I had to guess, I'd ssay they'd place him as part of Age of Wrath with all the other clones runnign around, so clone is likely, bu by no means assured. -Derik 22:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Alternity

Translations of the "super-black" version of Alternity Convoy heavily imply that he's Binaltech Nemesis Prime, as well as Nemesis Prime (Universe 2003). Presumably this works out rather well, because the timeline that birthed the Alternity into the multiverse was the Binaltech one, which is also the one where Universe Nemesis Prime's spark got infused into Binaltech Nemesis Prime's body.--Rosicrucian^Talk 03:16, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

But, if he was created from a fragment of Uni Nemesis' cloned spark, that just makes him a clone whose spark was born from Uni Nemesis, rather than being the same individual. I mean, Uni Nemesis is a clone of a Prime from a destroyed universe...it's all rather head turning really User:Eire 21.29 July 21 (UTC)

Uh... I know that we've seen instances of sparks being split in the past, but I'm blanking on where. (Dinobot II doesn't really count, he had external datatraxs.) -Derik 16:42, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Where are we getting that this is a fragment, not the whole spark?--Rosicrucian^Talk 16:48, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Where are we getting anything that says Nemesis was born from having an entire spark transferred by Unicron? User:Eire 21.49 July 21 (UTC)

What does that have to do with what I just asked? I mean, you seem to be assuming he's a clone of a clone, when that doesn't seem supported by the source material. The second spark within the Binaltech body could well have been Nemesis Prime's in full.--Rosicrucian^Talk 17:01, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

The "fragment" bit is from the unsourced Forest Lee statement down in the trivia section of this page, which I believe he said at a BotCon? That's the only bit that specifically ties Binaltech (well, Alternators) Nemesis Prime to Universe Nemmy; the actual Binaltech story didn't draw so specfic a connection, but did imply Unicron's hand in the proceedings. As Eire says, he (BT Nemmy) doesn't seem to be precisely the same entity as Universe/Alternity NP. Nothing is actually leaping out at me from the translated story that explicitly hints he's Binaltech Nemesis Prime, anyway. - Chris McFeely 17:46, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Alt/BT versus Classics

So we can agree that Alternators/Binaltech NP has some portion of Universe NP's spark, but they each have their own article on this wiki. Now, why would Classics NP be here on this article when his bio shares no connection at all to Alt/BT NP? It just seems funny that the two who share a spark are considered different characters, but Dr. Arkeville's clone and Straxus' twisted soldier are considered the same character. --Crockalley 09:10, 1 August 2009 (EDT)