Talk:Insignia
There's such an AWESOME buried assumption in a section called 'Known Faction Symbols.' This whole idea that there are UNKNOWN faction symbols too. The idea that there is a BODY to this story beyond what's been written, the idea that it has a form BEFORE it's written... is facinating. -Derik 15:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't feel the Transtech faction symbols belong here. The line never happened. The events after BM have been well established- Transtech was not it. TFU stupidity aside- they are not all Autobots and Decepticons now.
And I have to ask- there was an Arachnoid faction-symbol?
Yea there was a screencap in Lone Maximal's faction symble thread b4 the allspark went down. X-BoB58 15:27, 4 April 2006 (PDT)
I think it's fine to include them, just with an info note that they're unused.
Speaking of rare symbols I really want the 5 Predacon symbols from IDW Beast Wars to be up here too, but should they go under BW PRedacon or be their own thing?
Also there should be pics of both the regular Con symbol and the three-pointed Cartoon version.
Oh and we should look through DW/IDW art to see if there are any other unnamed symbols there on buildings or anything. ZacWilliam 22:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Do we want to include pics of the diffrent variations of the faction cymbols that appeared on the toy packageing? I have the symbols from the top of the old Tech Spec archive saved on my PC and found images for the Blendtron and Commando symbols. I don't have the Cybertron symbols though.--FortMax 23:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd like both, frankly. My source for the G2 Autobot is distressingly low-resolution (I consider anythign under 400px wide low reolution) and I'm not entiely sure my blendtron synbol is 100% right. (there 1 or two edges I couldnt' tell if they were suppsoed to be rounded or squared off.)-Derik 01:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The G2 Decepticon symbol looks nothing whatsoever like Clench besides sharing that diamond-shaped forehead crest, and it's missing arguably the most distinguishing feature of Clench's face - the triangular (point-up) mouthplate. In my opinion, the G2 symbol is clearly a stylized version of the G1 Decepticon symbol. Similarly, there is essentially no similarity between the G2 Autobot symbol and Pyro - the G2 Autobot symbol couldn't much more clearly be Optimus Prime.
Also, why is the CR Combatron insignia under "Beast Era"? `LV 17:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd need to go back to my G2 issues to check, but I question the validity of suggesting that the G2 Decepticon and Cybertronian symbols are any different. (The only distinction shown here is color, anyway) I also question the simplified versions of the symbols used in the cartoon as "symbols" in their own right, but it seems that I've already been outvoted on that count. The only thing I would ask for is some source text, especially for the more obscure symbols. If they're going to be here, we need to know where they come from.--G.B. Blackrock 18:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and I totally disagree with the note that the G1 Decepticon symbol is based on Soundwave. This is a myth that has perpetuated for years, but has no basis in fact.--G.B. Blackrock 18:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, technically, it's based on the Decepticon symbol looking just like Soundwave's toy head. But the note is gone for the moment. --ItsWalky 20:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Walky, I know you've got a good eye. Maybe you're seeing something I don't. But that's just it. To me, Soundwave's toy's head looks NOTHING like the Decepticon symbol. I've seen folks say this for years, but I'm just not seeing it....--G.B. Blackrock 22:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/itswalky/soundwavedecepticonsymbol.jpg
- There's some obvious correlation here. But nothing I can say with absolute certainty, so the note is down until further notice. But, damn, the Decepticon symbol does look like it was based on an abstraction of Soundwave's noggin. The crest, the horns, the shape of the face, everything. I think Soundwave's cartoon face is distracting you. --ItsWalky 23:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- No, I'm thinking toy-face. (Thanks for the side-by-side, incidentally). Still, I don't think I'd say the Decepticon symbol is "based on" Soundwave, any more than I'd say that there's a generic similarity of shape. But we're mincing minutia at this point. Thanks for indulging me.--G.B. Blackrock 23:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- Walky, I know you've got a good eye. Maybe you're seeing something I don't. But that's just it. To me, Soundwave's toy's head looks NOTHING like the Decepticon symbol. I've seen folks say this for years, but I'm just not seeing it....--G.B. Blackrock 22:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
There is no "Seacon space pirate" sigil. A comical skull-and-crossbones on the sail does not a sigil make. The toy packaging gives them the same purple insect-head Predacon sigil every other badguy in the series gets. --M Sipher 20:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey, someoen put the Blendtron symbol under Unicron in G1. When was the Blendtron symbol used outside of Neo? -Derik 02:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
E-hobby Overcharge X-BoB58 02:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- But didn't we decide to default to the line of origin unless there was a commanding reason to use another? Methinks someone's been more than a tad overzealous....--G.B. Blackrock 13:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
