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There's such an AWESOME buried assumption in a section called 'Known Faction Symbols.' This whole idea that there are UNKNOWN faction symbols too. The idea that there is a BODY to this story beyond what's been written, the idea that it has a form BEFORE it's written... is facinating. -Derik 15:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't feel the Transtech faction symbols belong here. The line never happened. The events after BM have been well established- Transtech was not it. TFU stupidity aside- they are not all Autobots and Decepticons now.
And I have to ask- there was an Arachnoid faction-symbol?
Yea there was a screencap in Lone Maximal's faction symble thread b4 the allspark went down. X-BoB58 15:27, 4 April 2006 (PDT)
I think it's fine to include them, just with an info note that they're unused.
Speaking of rare symbols I really want the 5 Predacon symbols from IDW Beast Wars to be up here too, but should they go under BW PRedacon or be their own thing?
Also there should be pics of both the regular Con symbol and the three-pointed Cartoon version.
Oh and we should look through DW/IDW art to see if there are any other unnamed symbols there on buildings or anything. ZacWilliam 22:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Do we want to include pics of the diffrent variations of the faction cymbols that appeared on the toy packageing? I have the symbols from the top of the old Tech Spec archive saved on my PC and found images for the Blendtron and Commando symbols. I don't have the Cybertron symbols though.--FortMax 23:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I'd like both, frankly. My source for the G2 Autobot is distressingly low-resolution (I consider anythign under 400px wide low reolution) and I'm not entiely sure my blendtron synbol is 100% right. (there 1 or two edges I couldnt' tell if they were suppsoed to be rounded or squared off.)-Derik 01:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
The G2 Decepticon symbol looks nothing whatsoever like Clench besides sharing that diamond-shaped forehead crest, and it's missing arguably the most distinguishing feature of Clench's face - the triangular (point-up) mouthplate. In my opinion, the G2 symbol is clearly a stylized version of the G1 Decepticon symbol. Similarly, there is essentially no similarity between the G2 Autobot symbol and Pyro - the G2 Autobot symbol couldn't much more clearly be Optimus Prime.
Also, why is the CR Combatron insignia under "Beast Era"? `LV 17:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd need to go back to my G2 issues to check, but I question the validity of suggesting that the G2 Decepticon and Cybertronian symbols are any different. (The only distinction shown here is color, anyway) I also question the simplified versions of the symbols used in the cartoon as "symbols" in their own right, but it seems that I've already been outvoted on that count. The only thing I would ask for is some source text, especially for the more obscure symbols. If they're going to be here, we need to know where they come from.--G.B. Blackrock 18:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and I totally disagree with the note that the G1 Decepticon symbol is based on Soundwave. This is a myth that has perpetuated for years, but has no basis in fact.--G.B. Blackrock 18:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, technically, it's based on the Decepticon symbol looking just like Soundwave's toy head. But the note is gone for the moment. --ItsWalky 20:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Walky, I know you've got a good eye. Maybe you're seeing something I don't. But that's just it. To me, Soundwave's toy's head looks NOTHING like the Decepticon symbol. I've seen folks say this for years, but I'm just not seeing it....--G.B. Blackrock 22:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
There's some obvious correlation here. But nothing I can say with absolute certainty, so the note is down until further notice. But, damn, the Decepticon symbol does look like it was based on an abstraction of Soundwave's noggin. The crest, the horns, the shape of the face, everything. I think Soundwave's cartoon face is distracting you. --ItsWalky 23:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm thinking toy-face. (Thanks for the side-by-side, incidentally). Still, I don't think I'd say the Decepticon symbol is "based on" Soundwave, any more than I'd say that there's a generic similarity of shape. But we're mincing minutia at this point. Thanks for indulging me.--G.B. Blackrock 23:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe Floro Dery mentioned in an interview that the faction symbols were based on abstractions of faces done by another artist. I also put it to you that the Autobot insignia is probably an abstraction of Prowl's toy face. Unfortunately we have no CONCRETE evidence for the sources of the insignias -- other than Dery's comments. --Jhiaxus 11:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
There is no "Seacon space pirate" sigil. A comical skull-and-crossbones on the sail does not a sigil make. The toy packaging gives them the same purple insect-head Predacon sigil every other badguy in the series gets. --M Sipher 20:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey, someoen put the Blendtron symbol under Unicron in G1. When was the Blendtron symbol used outside of Neo? -Derik 02:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
E-hobby Overcharge X-BoB58 02:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
But didn't we decide to default to the line of origin unless there was a commanding reason to use another? Also, we tend not to link things multiple times in the same article, so I see no reason why the Blendtron symbol should show up twice here. Methinks someone's been more than a tad overzealous....--G.B. Blackrock 13:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
If we have a section for the Shattered Glass faction symbols, shouldn't Nightbeat's be there, too? I know he's an (evil) Autobot, but he has that unique Autobot logo with the dagger on his hood.
I recently moved this article to correct the second capitalized word. However, I am unsure as to whether to move it again and remove the plural. Most article names are singular, even for something like Constructicon. However, one of the points of this article is to describe and show many faction symbols. This sort of implies a plural title to me. So... I'm conflicted. Does anybody have an opinion? --Steve-o 22:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I think that if this were an article describing the general signifigance of a faction symbol, that might be appropriate. But this is a list of Faction Symbols. The list is inherenly plural, there's like 30 of 'em. 'Faction Symbol,' describing the role and importance of saction symbols in general might be a seperate article- this is a list. -Derik 00:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I want to add the 5 symbols from IDW Beast Wars, but I have a concern. There is no cannonical evidence that they are actually faction symbols. We never see anyone useing them. Right now, the only thing we know about them is that they were used as wall decoration.
Or do we just assume they are faction symbols? --Crockalley 15:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Add them. If we decide they go somewhere else (and I think they probably do, likely the Predacon faction page, or maybe the Predacon sub-group, I dunno...) we'll move them.
Reminder, you can find the rest of... uh.... Ramhorn's partially obscurred symbol in the pencil-sketch previews to Beast Wars #1 that appeared in Infiltration. -Derik 19:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Headstrong. Ramhorn is the Autobot rhino cassette. --KilMichaelMcC 19:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
The exception that prooves the rule. -Derik 20:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
....what? --KilMichaelMcC 01:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
The 5 Predacon symbols - Whoopsie...wrong file names guys
Two of these emblems were switched. Razorclaw and Rampage's emblems were assigned to the wrong name. I've fixed this in the actual gallery of the emblems with an edit, but the names of the images are still swapped.Sidecutter
Why the heck would Rampage's emblem sport a mane and Razorclaw's not sport a mane? The comic they appear in even show Razorclaw's maned symbol as being the most prominently displayed. --Detour 15:31, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
If you actualy look at the emblems being displayed, that was exactly my point, but someone has made it incorrect again. Razorclaw's orange, maned symbol that matches his beast head is listed with *Rampage's* name. Rampage's red, non-maned symbol, which matches his beast head, is listed with *Razorclaw's* name. The symbols also have the wrong file names, with Razroclaw's symbol named "Rampage Symbol.png" and Rampage's symbol named "Razorclaw Symbol.png". Here is how it was displayed before I fixed it the first time, and this time:
Now as far as I know (I may simply not know how), I can't change the file names. Therefore, I can't fix it that way. But if you look at the page now that I've corrected the gallery again, you'll see that even though the filenames appear "wrong" when you look at the list to edit it, the pictures are actually correct now.Sidecutter 16:09, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
It looks to me that the red one is the guy with a mane. The yellow one doesn't look like it has a mane. --ItsWalky 16:19, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
I don't see how you can see it that way. The shapes of the faces are wrong for the supposed character they represent. The color of each one is also matched to the character it should be (orange/yellow for Razorclaw's beast head, red for Rampage's). Compare each emblem to the toy on TFU.info and it's very clear that the filenames on these are wrong. http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Razorclaw/razorclaw.htmhttp://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Rampage/rampage.htmSidecutter 16:23, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
I've also just gone through the trade to see the originals. The red one shown there might be more feasible as Razorclaw, if still the wrong color. However, if that is the case, the rendition we have here is a very bad one, because the shapes of the symbol parts and the proportions of each part are WAY off from the comic. It's a much narrower symbol here. Sidecutter 16:44, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
I've definitely gotta go with Sidecutter here, the orange one is definitely the one with a mane. -- Semysane 16:51, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
I'm with Walky, the yellow one has cheek tufts NOT a mane. Thus it is a tiger. --Khajidha 16:52, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
Yes, also with Walky. The red one is the one with a mane, I don't know how you can look at it any other way. - Chris McFeely 16:54, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
But Rampage doesn't even HAVE cheek tufts. Also, his beast-mode head is red. -- Semysane 16:56, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
What does the color have to do with it? Divebomb isn't purple. --Khajidha 16:57, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
Doesn't change the fact that Rampage doesn't have cheek tufts. -- Semysane 17:05, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
None of them look exactly like the symbols. They are stylized versions of the animals, not the toys. --Khajidha 17:14, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
Razorclaw looks nearly EXACTLY like the orange symbol. Seriously, have a look at it and his beast-mode head. I honestly don't see how it could be anyone else. -- Semysane 17:20, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
Really? The orange one doesn't say "lion" to me. I think the main problem is the red logo doesn't really look like a lion or a tiger. I'm not sure what that's supposed to be. --abates 19:09, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
I see what you're saying now about the orange one looking like Razorclaw - but that's because you're looking at the two points at the top of the head as if they're the corners of the toy's mane, when they're ears. It's not supposed to look like the toy, it's supposed to look like the animal. The red one's sporting an all-around mane, not one broken up into mechanical toyetic points and chunks. - Chris McFeely 19:25, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
Don't tell me what I'm looking at the ears as. At no point did I think they were anything other than ears. And the red one has nothing even remotely resembling a mane. -- Semysane 03:03, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
I'd have to dig out the issue in question, but I'm not sure if I remember them being in color.--RosicrucianTalk 17:09, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
They are in color. I didn't pay much attention to the colors of the other three, but the two being debated are in the colors shown here (or a close variant, allowing for lighting, etc).Sidecutter 18:15, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
When was that term used? What's the difference between a RiD Commando and a RiD Decepticon?
I'm assuing this is a placeholder spot for the Car Robots Destronger symbol, which was a green, upside-down G2 Autobot sigil. - Chris McFeely 10:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Should the Autobot and Decepticon (and Predacon in RiD) symbols also be listed in the Robots in Disguise amd Unicron Trilogy sections? It might be misleading if only unique symbols are listed in those sections. "Are Minicons and Powerlinx the only factions in the Unicron Trilogy?"
The G1 section seems to be vaguely organized chronologically, but Beast Wars doesn't make sense to me. Since certain chronological listings might be debatable (Ancient Autobot and Ancient Transformer: who comes first, etc), I propose to make each section alphabetical.
Generation 1
Autobot
Autobot (Ancient)
Autobot (The War Within)
Decepticon
etc.
Also, why does G2 get a seperate sction, but Beast Machines does not?
There is no basis for calling the five IDW Beast Wars symbols "factions", and the Energon Powerlinx symbols are not factions. But I want to keep a page with all these symbols. Rename article to just "Symbols"? Or maybe that would open it up too much. Just a rambling thought.
Don't want to make any changes without talking about it. Thanks for listening. --Crockalley 01:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
--Crockalley 01:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I think it's fine titled "faction symbols" but also inlcuding symbols that aren't strictly of "factions," with appropriate notations about whether a symbol is a variant of a faction symbol or just something faction symbol-esque that's close enough for inclusion, etc. --KilMichaelMcC 01:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
They might move if we get enough other signage and symbols. (We have, for instance, two seperate Cybertronian medical symbols, one Autobot and one Decepticon.)
You mgith argue that if we have a page liek thism we maybe should have a much-clearer 'factions' page that, as Crockcrikey suggests, list which factions appear in which series, makign this page just abouth the SYMBOLS. As it's it's kinda dual-purpose, providing quick bio's about the faction in addition to the symbols and variants themselves. -Derik 01:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
In that case, where should things like, say, Sideways's split-down-the-middle insignia from his packaging and the Maximal/Vehicon blend found on the Beast Changer toy go, if anywhere at all? On the other hand, if it stays here and keeps gathering up symbols that aren't strictly "faction" symbols, somebody ought to add the planet symbols from Cybertron/Galaxy force--Nemesis Primal 22:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Not to be a nudge, but the normal G1 Decepticon symbol isn't actually pictured in the article anywhere except in the pic that has it inserted in the cobra insignia. Also, a pic of the "three-pointed" cartoon version might help in showing exactly where the difference lies. --Nemesis Primal 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Anyone going to throw in Dreamwave's alternate Unicron faction symbol? I remember it being used for the MTMTE profiles for Nemesis Prime and maybe Sideways, although I don't have it on hand. I feel that it's required.--MCRG 07:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Dunno if we want to include this, since it's just an abstraction of Energon Ironhide's head, but there's a good shot of it here. Plus, here and here. --Monzo 11:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm... not really sure about these as "faction symbols". I dunno. --M Sipher 15:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
See the discussion above ("Factions?") for more input on the inclusion of non-faction symbols. --Crockalley 16:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I think the consensus was- "Wait until we have anough non-faction symbols here to justify splittign them off into their own page." We're getting close, but that'll necessitate a long, unpleasant discussion about what is and isn't a faction symbol. (For instance, I think the IDW Quint symbol is the US Quint faction symbol- just like we have American and Japanese Unicron-allied symbols.) -Derik 17:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
IDW Quint symbol? I hope you don't mind me asking where that's shown, out of curiousity. -Tindalos 19:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, time for an opinion poll: Should there be pix of both the "Cartoon" and "Comic" versions of the G1 Bot & Con symbols? I would say so, and several of you expressed the same opinion in the above discussions. Earlier today I added the cartoon Bot symbol and the comic Con symbol thereby completing the "pairs", but not soon after, the comic versions were removed. I have since replaced them, not to rebuff that editor, but based on the reasoning that if we can have five different colored Powerlinx symbols (?!), why would we not have both distinct variations of the two main symbols. Thoughts, anyone? Evil-yuusha 03:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, your cartoon Decepticon symbol doesn't look like the cartoon Decepticon symbol, for one. I'm guessing that was part of the cause for the reversion. -Derik 04:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. There are different Powerlinx symbols depicted because those are all legitimately distinct symbols which were intended to be legitimately distinct symbols, and they all *mean different things*. The Autobot/Decepticon symbols in the cartoon/comic/toyline are all the same symbol but rendered differently due to media format. We are NOT going to have separate entries for every single mis-render of the same symbol design. That's absurd.
As Derik pointed out, what you had uploaded wasn't even the "cartoon versions" of those symbols! Those are just the fancy painted versions thereof that were on toy packages, some Marvel Comics covers, and, of course, the toys. I reworked all of that because it was inaccurate. --ItsWalky 06:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It might be reasonable to include the cartoon version of the Decepticon symbol, since it had the whole triple-point deal going. But as far as I know there's no equivalent variation in the Autobot symbol. And, as stated, the painted Decepticon symbol is NOT the cartoon's variant Decepticon symbol. --Andrusi 14:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Well thank you for pointing out how "absurd" my reasoning is Walky, its certainly more informative than your previous Post Summary of "Argh". I think some clarification may be needed, as there seems to be confusion (very possibly on my part).
This is one of the two images I posted:
Is this what you all would deem "cartoon" or "comic"? Or if neither, why?
This is the other image I posted. Cartoon? Comic? Neither?
Seeing as how I posted one version of the Bot symbol and the OTHER version of the Con symbol (the two that were missing at the time), how can I be wrong in both cases?
And just for the record, when I re-posted what I perceive to be the "comic" versions, I replaced (which was what was previously posted), with , simply because I thought it looked nicer. Evil-yuusha 15:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
That first Autobot symbol only appeared on Hasbro packaging from '84 to '86, Japanese packaging, cartoon scene bumpers, and some comic covers. The Decepticon symbol in the cartoon generally had a 3rd spike on the center top piece due to the beveling on the "packaging" symbol being misinterpreted. We're not going to have a picture of every interpertation of every symbol, lest we have a pic of the changes the packaging symbol when through in the G1 line, the different color borders in G2, the slightly different shapes from RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Classics, and the movie. Diffrent styles does not equal a new faction symbol. --FortMax 16:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, that white-border Autobot sigil looks blurry. --FortMax 16:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Blurry, eh? I thought it was just my contacts. =) I agree that variation does not a new symbol make, but to me it seemed significant to show the two distinctly different "variations" of these two symbols. (And I'm not talking about "third point crest cartoon" version, or what have you.) The 3-D, glossy, transition-color "deluxe-looking" (if you will) version appearing on packaging, toon bumpers, etc to my knowledge (and i'm sure someone will correct me if im wrong) was never used on an actual figure, nor did characters in the comics and/or cartoon bear sigils with this appearance. It more or less had media-only usage, correct? In contrast, the 2-D, matte, solid-color "plain-looking" version was the type used on the toys, as well as typically being seen on animated/drawn characters.
Was there ever melding of these two styles? A 3-D glossy symbol with solid colors? or a 2-D matte symbol that transitioned in color? If there was, then I humbly retract my previous ramblings and apologize to the community at large (especially Walky, who seems keen on shooting down whatever i do anyway. And yes, I am aware of the differences between the powerlink colors, but I think my point has validity nonetheless). In any event i do admit to being confused as to exaclty what the "cartoon version" of the Con symbol was in reference to (thank you FortMax). =P
But if I am correct in saying that there is a measure of deliniation between these two styles, and not just a simple case of "variation" (which is essentially what the "three point crest" is, and you guys seem to think that's worthy of mention), then at the very least I think they should be shown as a footnote of some type to the page, perhaps following the Unused symbols. Evil-yuusha 18:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
All of the G1 merchandise that had a symbol not taken from boxart used the logo symbols. The one exception is the marvel US comics, but that was due to the low-tech printing methods used. Plus, whatever the border shaps or solidness of the color, it's still recognizable as the Autobot symbol. The only time we would need a cartoon version on this page is when said sigil only appears in the cartoon. Plus, the only fictional apperences of the package style sigils (that I know of) are in scene bumpers, commercial bumpers, and titles, none of which actually happen in-universe, and the solid colored symbol appeared on the toys before the cartoon or comics were released.
An example of the cartoon Decepticon symbol might be a good idea though. --FortMax 20:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Did the TWW Predacons (Starscream's group) or the Lightning Strike Coalition (Grimlocks group) have their own faction symbols? --FortMax 20:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Not that I'm aware of. And they both continue to wear their respective Con/Bot logos on themselves. --ItsWalky 00:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Although I'm pretty sure they've started being the standard symbols instead of the TWW ones by then. -LV 01:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, whoever called shannanigans, explain your objection... I admit It's been a long time since I've looked at some DW issues but the Anceint unified faction bit seems to jive with what I remember being said. Anyone who's looked at things recently clarrify? --ZacWilliam 22:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The ancient faction symbol appeared on the Vector Sigma room, the Archives (IIRC) and the golden Disk room on Paradron. It's ancient, and it has nothing to do with Shockwave. Shockwave welded a blank plate over his faction symbol- he didn't create a new hybrid symbol. There was no Hybrid symbol for Shockwav'es reign on Cybertron.
So in short, the nature of my objection is... it's wrong. -Derik 22:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
So, uh... fix it? Why call shenanigans instead? --Steve-o 02:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
'cuz I didn't want to be the one to fix it, being next-deep in other edits at the time. -Derik 02:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
"Ancient Decepticon" has been here a long time with no symbol. Does an ancient Decepticon symbol exist? Also, yea or nay on BWII Seacons symbol? (Unless someone can find a better image of that flag, it's moot anyway.) --Crockalley 20:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I think someone had a seacon skull up at one point- or at least there was a discussion about its variations...
I've removed ancient decepticon- AFAIK, that's a relic of an unofficial reprolabel set that decided Shockwave's funky symbol was the counterpart of the ancient Autobot symbol- in defiance of all context. -Derik 20:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, that's much clearer than the VCD I have. Is there an new not-centosaur encode floating around? -Derik 20:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
That's an excellent image. Now what's this about variations? P.S. 85, don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes ~ And why not just get a user name. --Crockalley 01:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Can someone put this up? I'm pretty sure it was reused semi-recently, either in a DW/IDW book or as one of Overcharge's labels... right? --Thylacine 2000 20:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
You're probably thinking of the Reprolabels set. It hasn't shown up anywhere else official, that I've heard of. --KilMichaelMcC 21:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey, now it HAS showed up! TakaraTomy's World of the Transformers, Episode 4 has given it a name. It's the "Cybertron Guard" insignia. --KilMichaelMcC 16:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I KNOW! I just noticed that! I uploaded it once a long time ago, but it was deleted. I can re-upload it this evening, if someone else can't get to it before then. Inversely proportional: my excitement about this symbol - my social life --Crockalley 16:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think this is specifically associated with Megatron. It's also on Emirate Xeon's forehead in The War Within.--Rosicrucian 16:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Also, the "Ratbat Symbol" depicts insignia seen on many Transformers associated with the Senate in Origin. In the first issue, all the ship crew for the Senator's vessel have it on their foreheads.--Rosicrucian 16:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
You'll get no argument from me. I had a feeling my descriptives weren't 100% accurate. So, if you know stuff that I don't about these symbols, please add it. --Crockalley 17:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Really I'd still venture that they're the same symbol, the difference being that Figueroa tends to be a bit more precise than Milne. Now, what I'm about to say is pure speculation and thus probably doesn't deserve to be in the article itself, but I'd wager it's a regional insignia that has to do with Kokular or Kaon, as Emirates are regional governors. Alternately, I suppose Megatron's gladiatorial medallion might be an alteration or perversion of the Kokular/Kaon symbol, showing its continuing evolution into the Decepticon insignia. But I'll let others put their two cents in.--Rosicrucian 18:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
From page to page, the Megatron: Origin symbol changes a tad, but certain elements of Xeon's symbol never manifest in Megatron's: the separate crest, the nose/slice down the middle, the cheeks, and Xeon's horns go down, Megatron's go up. --Crockalley 19:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, looks like we got some clarification in Origin 3. The insignia is a team designation, and it's on a chain because team rosters are not fixed. Megatron later has the Decepticon insignia on a chain, which to me says that the prior insignia was for Clench's team which Megatron took over.--Rosicrucian 20:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Anyone else think that the one from Megatron Origin resemble Megatron's head without helmet? As a gladiatorial team symbol, it might still be linked to the champion. Even then, it is not as if we had any idea on how or why those faction insignia evolves with time...Xunk16 (talk) 23:00, 16 March 2016 (EDT)
New insignia for them in Origin #3, if you've seen it. Displayed on the flags over the coffins and on the headstone.
Man, this series is just like delicious candy regarding new insignia.--Rosicrucian 20:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I love it. It's like insignia Christmas this week! --Crockalley 22:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, here it is. Before it's added to the article, I wanted to be sure of what it should be called. Is "Cybertron Security Forces" what they're officially called the comic? --Crockalley 22:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Issue #3 is saying "Autobot Security" but I'll have to get home before I can compare it to the prior two and see if they're called that throughout.--Rosicrucian 23:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Whose funeral? I feel like the yellow should be the same yellow as Decimus's symbol. (Or rather, Decimus's symbol should be the same yellow as this.)
Also, I think the page is getting populated enough that we should start some long-term thinking about reorganization. Either by creating a faction symbol page in addition to the insignia page, or switching to a combo list/gallery format lie that seen in the holomatter article. No need for quick decisions, I'm just throwing it out there. -Derik 23:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't realize it was out yet. -Derik 00:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
RE: yellow. Comparing the colors, Decimus' is more of a gold in the comic, and the funeral flags on the coffins are more yellow. (I'm assuming the flags are the "real" color of the symbol, as opposed to the monochromatic plaque [1]) --Crockalley 00:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I forgot to log in before doing it, but I double-checked all three issues and it is referred to in two separate issues as "Security Services HQ" and "Autobot Security Headquarters." I've split the difference in their insignia entry on the page, and am now moving to correct the reference in my issue synopsis.--Rosicrucian 01:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
I've done a slight reorg of the sections and split G1 up by history/subcontinuity. Hope that helps somewhat.--Rosicrucian 23:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I'd say the page is starting to finally come into its own regarding ease of access and information density. What do you guys think? Is the gallery format helping?--Rosicrucian 19:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes. I think the content maybe needs some rewriting to fit it better... but that'll correct itself in time. This format is 100% better. -Derik 19:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Don't know how to do redirects myself. Could someone else create redirects from Symbol and Badge to this article? --ZacWilliam 21:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Done. Redirects are easy. Type #REDIRECT then space, then the double-bracket-link to the page you want to redirect to. Or just click here and see what it looks like. --Crockalley 22:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Second, what we've seen of the toys indicates the insignia aren't new at all, so what you may be seeing in the teaser art/videos can be attributed to artistic style rather than changes to the symbols.--Rosicrucian 22:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
What do you guys think? I mean sure, it's just an Autobot symbol with two wrenches, but it's still probably worth adding, right? Cyberlink420 16:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Should the Team Chaar symbol be here?
Is it even a separate symbol, or just Blackout's custom (a relic from the Great War maybe?)? -- Silvery 07:23, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
Nobody else from Team Chaar seems to have that symbol, so it's likely that it's exclusive to Blackout. -Mazenoise 07:54, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
So some of the licensed material (i.e., the Candy Mix refers to the insignia as "shields." Are there any other materials that give an official-type name to the faction logos? Hooper_X 12:32, 1 November 2009 (EST)
The MW Decepticon insignia is noticeably different from G1, with very rounded sad-looking eyes and fuzzy indistinct outer margins. It looks like somebody at Hasbro circa 1996 tried to re-create the G1 logos from very poor or possibly even bootlegged source material.
Two questions:
-Are there comparable differences between the G1 and MW Autobots?
-Are these differences significant enough to warrant inclusion here?
--Thylacine 2000 22:37, 20 April 2010 (EDT)
While adding packaging for back of the carded characters featured in Machine Wars, I couldn't help but notice that it somehow used a new G2 version of the logos. Decepticons were now yellow with red lines, while Autobots are their old red... with yellow highlights. This is found not only on the back of the cards, but on all the bio cards as well. Is this just Hasbro being extra lazy for Machine Wars, or something else? Seeing how only one of the carded figures has any logos at all (Skywarp in this case)? Of course, we have no cross-selling on the Mega or Ultra boxes to see if they went to using those logos for the cross-selling. But the bio cards? Sandstorm certainly uses G2 logos for his], despite his figure still using G1 logos. Maybe we should get some made for the page... --NewtypeS3 (talk) 19:30, 10 December 2017 (EST)
The Unicron insignia in Energon section is not only appeared in the Energon cartoon as a special sequence, but literally on TakaraTomy's official Armada(Micron Legend) site and the toy's Japanese package as well.
Shouldn't it be considered as the insignia for Trilogy, at least of TakaraTomy version?
I noticed the Herald of Unicron insignia is erroneously shown as the red blendtron insignia. Is the original orange version lost? That seems to be the most likely possibility as I cannot find it anywhere. How can such a big mistake go unnoticed for so long? Have you all forgotten how to use photoshop to recolor the red one orange? Ignore all of that. I fixed it already. --LokitheGrammarNazi 14:50, 27 September 2010 (EDT)
Wasn't sure where else to put this, but this seems an appropriate enough place. I don't know if it's just on my end, or if I missed something important, but the faction symbols on all Movie/ROTF character pages seem to have become identical to the G1 equivalents. I first noticed it on the Decepticon page when I noticed that the same symbol appears twice. -- Semysane 05:06, 4 December 2010 (EST)
Who designed the original Autobot and Decepticon insignia? I mean in the real world. With all the behind-the-scenes material I've seen, I never heard a word about it.
I'm sure Bob Budiansky must know. Was it ever said in an interview with him?--MistaTee 04:17, 7 January 2011 (EST)
The Decepticon Heartland page shows a building with a symbol that looks like G1 Shockwave's Cybertron Guard symbol. Does it stand for anything in the Titan comics, or is it just an Easter egg? Geewunling 01:26, 24 May 2011 (EDT)
There's only one symbol in that heading, and it appears to be mainly from Exodus (and some online game or something) and has never appeared on Prime, so it's sort of confusing that the section it's in is called Prime. If Aligned isn't a good name for the section, maybe Exodus? I don't really care what it's called, so long as we can agree it's not really Prime, despite being from the same continuity family or whatever.--76.226.116.97 21:27, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
If you do, please move the Rescue Bots symbol there. - Starfield 00:36, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
In Predacons Rising, Megatron's new upgrade has a small star shaped insignia on the chest, I think we should add a picture for that. SoundWave 18:47, 6 October 2013 (EDT)
Unless it was in the GI Joe comic, what is currently listed in the G2 fiction section didn't happen. What I mean is, it wasn't part of the story that the Autobots got together and changed their insignia to look like Optimus Prime. The new insignias where just there. - Starfield 22:35, 25 December 2012 (EST)
Well, how would you describe "their insignia suddenly looked like Optimus Prime rather than the G1 'Bot symbol". Errors & omissions notwithstanding, that's on the page, ergo it's part of the story between G1 #80/etc and G2 #1. - SanityOrMadness 22:49, 25 December 2012 (EST)
I sympathize, but what we can't do is imply that if someone looks up the G2 comics they will find the page where the Autobots and Decepticons revise their insignias. How about something like, "both the Autobots and Decepticons used new insignias, which they have apparently adopted some time after the battle at Klo. For unexplained reasons, the Decepticons' new symbol was identical in design with the Cybertronian Empire."
P.S. Looking through the comics again, it appears they (accidentally or intentionally) avoided some continuity issues by not giving Megatron, Starscream, and Fort Max any identifiable insignias. Neat. - Starfield 00:05, 26 December 2012 (EST)
As near as I can tell, the Arms Micron Stunticon symbol that came on Wildrider's sticker sheet is unique, derived from the Animated BotCon logo, but with the spiffy addition of MotorMaster into the design.
I REALLY like this one, so I took a stab at recreating it, not 100% dead on, but I think I got close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades, can I add it to the page?
I really like that you've recreated this. It's awesome. However, I don't think this entity you've reconstructed is really an insignia. More of a logo. The insignia portion would be limited to the Decepticon symbol with the checkered square around it. Once a bunch of words or letters are added, that's not an insignia anymore. We definitely need to put this artwork somewhere, but I don't think this page is the right location. --ItsWalky 19:11, 5 March 2013 (EST)
That's certainly sensible, might I propose Arms Micron WildRider's toy entry, or maybe in a note section on his character page? (So far) it seems to be unique to him, that is probably where it deserves mentioning. Also thank you!--Destrongerlupus 09:24, 6 March 2013 (EST)
What about that weird Decepticon-but-with-mandibles symbol that appears on Sharkticon Megatron? Should that not be on here? BT383 (talk) 05:32, 1 November 2014 (EDT)
I know that at first, the slash on the insignias of Steeljaw and his followers was to avoid detection, but then Fracture also slashed his insignia after joining Steeljaw, despite not needing to do it as he wasn't a former Alchemor prisoner, then in season 2, I noticed Thunderhoof still kept the slashed insignia. Therefore, should the slashed Decepticon insignias be considered as the insignia of Steeljaw's pack?--D.A.Martin (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
I don't think it's been used in any packaging art or anything that's easily scannable, but I suppose that someone could whip up a good facsimile in Photoshop or something. Grum (talk) 21:08, 8 June 2016 (EDT)
I recently recolored the Autobot and Decepticon symbols to illustrate the similarities between Prowl and Soundwave's heads. Is that useful to the wiki? (here's a link: [2]) TheLiegeDecado (talk) 20:43, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
With the symbols of the Thirteen released in the POTP line so far, shall we go ahead and put them on here, or wait until we actually have all 13 available? Crossfire 00:55, 30 December 2017 (EST)
Are we likely to have all 13? We've only seen symbols for the first 12 and the Thirteenth Prime tends to cause controversy, even in-universe.Cydra (talk) 01:09, 30 December 2017 (EST)
Considering that the toyline has launched and that the cards, packaging, and even an episode of Titans Return have used the twelve symbols, I think it should be safe to add them to the article. Any additional symbols will have to wait until we get officially-distributed material.
What I would like to know is if they should go under Prehistory like The Fallen's first insignia, or if we should add a new section specifically for the POTP Thirteen. Ikkad (talk) 05:02, 28 January 2018 (EST)
I would personally add a new section, especially in case these end up being used for all cross-franchise appearances of the Thirteen going forward. Otherwise, the symbols of the Primes are going to take up 80% of the section anyway. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 09:49, 1 May 2018 (EDT)
So Hasbro released the new factions for the new line can we add them?
BotBots are mischievous little robots who came to life from everyday objects inside a shopping mall! This rare type of Transformers robot is tiny, mischievous, and great at hiding!
Not long ago and somewhere close by, a glowing mist filled with TRANSFORMERS energy called ENERGON came down from the sky and covered a shopping mall. The things inside came to life as little TRANSFORMERS robots! These bots can hide in plain sight as everyday objects, meaning no one knows what's a bot and what's not! Mischievous, funny, and super silly, these are… BOTBOTS!
When the Energon hit the objects inside, it made them More Than Meets the Eye. Candy, sports equipment, electronics, school supplies, and other things came to life as little Transformers robots. These robots hide in plain sight at the mall, disguised as the stuff we use everyday.
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GREASER GANG: These greased up and chilled out rulers of the food court put the fast and fast food.
BACKPACK BUNCH: A band of brainy bots who are cooler than school and sharper than a freshly sharpened pencil.
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JOCK SQUAD: A crew of super sporty bots who love to win and are always ready to gear up and get their game faces on.
SHED HEADS: The tough-as-nails team of no-nonsense tools, plants, and home and garden bots.
[5]
SUGAR SHOCKS: A squad of sweet treats and fun-to- eats who share their own unique sugar rush and kick things into overdrive.
[6]
TOILET TROOP: A clean-up platoon of bathroom defenders who take care of business by cleaning the bathroom and beyond.
[7]
TECHIE TEAM: The cutting-edge crew of gotta-have-it phones, gadgets, electronics, and gamer gear.
They'll be added eventually for sure, but we'll probably want to get much cleaner versions of the various insignia instead of the existing blurry screencaps first. Preferably when we have access to all seven. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 14:59, 22 October 2018 (EDT)
To whom it may concern the Studio series Constructicons appear to have their own insignia found on so far Rampage's box where the normal insignia would be found [8] based on Devastator's own face shall we use this for any purpose? Chaosomega (talk) 15:36, 1 March 2019 (EST)
Should we have a catch-all subheader for insignia from external properties? I'm all for categorization, but when we have a separate section for each crossover property, the article could start to get a little bloated. I think insignia that are original to crossover lines, like the Mickey and Donald heads or the Angry Birds symbols, should continue to be broken out, but for cases of direct imports like the NERV logo, the Shadaloo emblem, or the Ghostbusters logo, it might be easier to just group them all together, lest we have a bunch of one-image subheads. Thoughts? -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:00, 28 March 2019 (EDT)
So, I got bored and decided to Vectorize the Mercenary Faction Logo from the Transformers Trading Card Game, put out by Wizards of the Coast, and figured you lot maaay want to have use of it.
So I've got two questions regarding the insignias found on WFC Kingdom packagings. 1) Are the "cave painting" symbols given to BW characters worth being added to the gallery? and 2) Could the Maximal and Predacon logos with Autobot and Decepticon details added to them be included as well? I honestly just think they look cool, so I don't know. That's why I'm asking. --Fritz (talk) 21:05, 3 June 2021 (EDT)
Is this what you all would deem "cartoon" or "comic"? Or if neither, why?
This is the other image I posted. Cartoon? Comic? Neither?
(which was what was previously posted), with 
, simply because I thought it looked nicer. Evil-yuusha 15:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
--Destrongerlupus 18:21, 5 March 2013 (EST)
![[3]](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Greaser_Gang.jpg){kind=link}
![[4]](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Jock_Squad.jpg){kind=link}
![[5]](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Sugar_Shocks.jpg){kind=link}
![[6]](https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Toilet_Troop.jpg){kind=link}
