Talk:Brigadoon

Does the island have a real name from any pseudocanon sources we can use? If not, I think this should be moved to a decapitalized "Flying island" and the article should point out that it doesn't have any known name. --Steve-o 00:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

According to the Japanese Beast Wars Universe guidebook, the flying island was named Brigadoon. Since the book was very US-centric, it's possible this is what it was actually called in the scripts, but since Ben doesn't have the script up for either part of The Trigger, it's difficult to say. Presumably, though, the article could still be moved? --Monzo 00:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Excellent point. I think a move to Brigadoon would be appropriate then, with sufficient redirects and disclaimers that it is named only in pseudocanon, naturally. --Steve-o 00:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Like you say, it's only named in pseudocanon, and we have a perfectly good and straight-forward description from the episode itself. I think the latter makes for a much better article title. --KilMichaelMcC 01:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Just to jump in on a 2 year old conversation, how is Beast Wars Universe, a licensed guidebook, pseudocannon? If we have a name like Brigadoon, from a licensed source, then the generic description 'flying island' seems like a waste. --Jimsorenson 00:55, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

I would support such a move. It's not any different than Galactic Olympics planet, Junkion Lady, catgirls, or stoplight Autobot. —Interrobang 01:05, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

I am somewhat baffled that anyone would support the notion of moving this article to "Brigadoon." --KilMichaelMcC 01:22, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Why? I know we prefer US names over Japanese names, but in the absence of a US name, we generally go with JP ones unless they're tied up in some sort of US-JP continuity conflict. -Derik 01:46, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Do you have anything against this other than personal dislike, Kil? Why is this case different than the four articles I've pointed out above? —Interrobang 01:59, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

I... can't really articulate why. It just me strike me as wrong. It's the flying island. That's what it is and what it's called. The thing isn't called Brigadoon, and it's not some irrelevant side character or location like Nancy or Athenia. If we move the article, are we also going to change the text in other articles? Will Tigatron's fiction section have to say "he was the first to discover Brigadoon," and the like? 'Cause that would seem ever wronger... I dunno, maybe I'm just getting hung-up on the stupidity of the name. --KilMichaelMcC 02:04, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

"Exceptionally stupid" is a valid argument Kil. Lord knows I've used it for article moves in the past.

I kinda agree with you abotu the dumbness of this name... if we do move the article, I think I'd favor limiting the... footprint (?) of the Japanese name. -Derik 02:09, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

Hmmm ... I'm not sure that I agree that the name is stupid, but I wouldn't think we'd need to go through and replace all of the uses of the words 'flying island' with Brigadoon. Just because WE have A name for the island doesn't mean that's what the character called it. We certainly aren't obligated to pretend that they did, anyway. --Jimsorenson 02:49, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

And at the same time, since we do have *A* name, I don't see any reason we shouldn't use it. -- Dark T Zeratul 13:53, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm never fond of using names for things in summaries of episodes and comics in which the name wasn't used (for instance, I wish we didn't call the Animated Starscream clones by their names in the episode summaries, since they didn't go by those names in the cartoon). I would apply that personal belief here, too. Likewise I'm with Kil in not wanting to move this, because it's a painfully stupid name that makes no bloody sense. - Chris McFeely 15:35, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

I support the idea of this page being moved. If the name is used in an officially licensed guidebook, it's an official name. Brigadoon is far from being just a nonsensical name that doesn't mean anything, it's based on the idea of a village in Scotland that only appears every 200 years or something... There was a movie named after it in the fifties, I think. Considering the nature of a hidden island that flies around, I can see the logic in the reference, personally. I don't see why personal preference should have this much sway over an official name. It's out there, just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it'll just go away. Just have "Flying Island" redirect here, and have the opening phrase be something along the lines of "Brigadoon, more often referred to simply as 'The Flying Island,' is a artificial creation of the Vok, blahblahblahblah...." and you're set. --Ascendron 16:46, 29 September 2009 (EDT)

I kind of like the name, but I'm wondering, what does it actually mean that the island's name is "Brigadoon", (in-continuity I mean)? Did the Vok call it that? Is that how the Maximals referred to it? Was that what it was called in the Cybertronian history books? As the island is presented in the story, it doesn't necessarily make sense for it to have a name at all. - Starfield 17:09, 29 September 2009 (EDT)