Talk:Ironfist (G1)
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I know the rule is first fictional appearance, but since we've got a shot of it, would using the profile image from LSOTW be an idea. Same question for Rotorstorm User:Eire 24 April 2010 (UTC)
- The rule is actually "First (Earth) body." Ironfist in LSotW is still in a Cybertronian form. We *also* like variety. So every image on Rotorstorm's page should not be from one miniseries if we have a perfectly good box art image of him.
- Now, what we should talk about is Pyro, since nobody has a usable image of his packaging art other than that headshot from his tech-specs. However, similar problems here -- he was redesigned for Wreckers and BotCon 2010's version of course is a different toy entirely. The best possible solution is to somehow hunt down a usable scan of his original packaging art, but if we can't, that headshot is kinda crappy and we might have to choose between one of his other bodies, probably his eventual LSotW profile art since it'd be closer to his first toy. --ItsWalky 10:14, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- I wish us Euro market TF fans weren't so bad at documenting Transformers toys, their art and documents. Stuff from this era is so difficult to find on the internet. --FFN 10:20, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- Really? First earth mode? Shouldn't we then swap out Shockwave's main pic for his Alternator form then? Wasp isn't using his first Earth form, either.--Jimsorenson 10:53, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- *sigh* There's a statute of limitations if the first Earth toy came years and years after the first appearance. I wish I could respond to queries such as this quickly without being jumped on for not typing out a dissertation so that I cover all the Main Image selection quirks. --ItsWalky 11:10, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- I'm not trying to jump down your throat for your reply - I'd just never heard the policy articulated as 'first Earth mode' before. I've heard 'first fictional appearance,' which isn't really what we do but seems pretty close. Is there a help or an about section with this info? --Jimsorenson 11:29, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- The "(Earth)" was only disambiguating Ironfist's toy body from this Wreckers body, for the purposes of my explanation. It wasn't actually a part of the "policy." --ItsWalky 11:42, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- Ah, my apologies then. I misunderstood. First body it is, as I've always though. Of course, that leads to the situation of the first-episode bodies before characters take on their 'proper' alternate modes, but I'm willing to turn a blind eye if everyone else is.--Jimsorenson 11:58, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- The "(Earth)" was only disambiguating Ironfist's toy body from this Wreckers body, for the purposes of my explanation. It wasn't actually a part of the "policy." --ItsWalky 11:42, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- I'm not trying to jump down your throat for your reply - I'd just never heard the policy articulated as 'first Earth mode' before. I've heard 'first fictional appearance,' which isn't really what we do but seems pretty close. Is there a help or an about section with this info? --Jimsorenson 11:29, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- *sigh* There's a statute of limitations if the first Earth toy came years and years after the first appearance. I wish I could respond to queries such as this quickly without being jumped on for not typing out a dissertation so that I cover all the Main Image selection quirks. --ItsWalky 11:10, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- My impression was the rule was "first toy-based body" for guys who are based on toys. --M Sipher 12:17, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- As long as whatever policy we choose is tempered with a liberal dose of common sense. I'm REALLY glad that BW Megatron doesn't use the alligator for his main pic, and that Animated Optimus Prime and Megatron use their earth bodies and not their Cybertronian bodies. Perhaps my debating style is too circuitous, but I wasn't ever really trying to suggest that Shockblast is the proper representation for Shockwave. My TRUE point is that we should probably go with whatever picture seems most representative of a character and NOT try to codify things with a bunch of silly rules. Did the Alligator BW Megatron toy come first? Sure. Is it by any means close to the best representation of the character? No. --Jimsorenson 13:22, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- Pretty much. Most rules here need gray areas, or else we become wikipedia. But it also needs to be noted that those gray areas are not a carte-blanche to do whatever. They're there for special circumstances, not "because I wanna". --M Sipher 13:24, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- Perhaps they should be noted ... at all. I went looking for the rules on main image selection and didn't see them anywhere. That's not to say they don't exist, but if a couple of minutes of an experienced editor searching doesn't turn them up, how is a newbie supposed to find them?--Jimsorenson 13:29, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- Pretty much. Most rules here need gray areas, or else we become wikipedia. But it also needs to be noted that those gray areas are not a carte-blanche to do whatever. They're there for special circumstances, not "because I wanna". --M Sipher 13:24, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
- As long as whatever policy we choose is tempered with a liberal dose of common sense. I'm REALLY glad that BW Megatron doesn't use the alligator for his main pic, and that Animated Optimus Prime and Megatron use their earth bodies and not their Cybertronian bodies. Perhaps my debating style is too circuitous, but I wasn't ever really trying to suggest that Shockblast is the proper representation for Shockwave. My TRUE point is that we should probably go with whatever picture seems most representative of a character and NOT try to codify things with a bunch of silly rules. Did the Alligator BW Megatron toy come first? Sure. Is it by any means close to the best representation of the character? No. --Jimsorenson 13:22, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
I can at least see where this dispute would arise, since due to Last Stand of the Wreckers there are now characters that Nick Roche has essentially defined. At this moment, Wreckers has far and away the largest corpus of Ironfist characterization.--RosicrucianTalk 14:12, 24 April 2010 (EDT)
