Talk:Ironfist (G1)

Main Image

I know the rule is first fictional appearance, but since we've got a shot of it, would using the profile image from LSOTW be an idea. Same question for Rotorstorm User:Eire 24 April 2010 (UTC)

The rule is actually "First (Earth) body." Ironfist in LSotW is still in a Cybertronian form. We *also* like variety. So every image on Rotorstorm's page should not be from one miniseries if we have a perfectly good box art image of him.

Now, what we should talk about is Pyro, since nobody has a usable image of his packaging art other than that headshot from his tech-specs. However, similar problems here -- he was redesigned for Wreckers and BotCon 2010's version of course is a different toy entirely. The best possible solution is to somehow hunt down a usable scan of his original packaging art, but if we can't, that headshot is kinda crappy and we might have to choose between one of his other bodies, probably his eventual LSotW profile art since it'd be closer to his first toy. --ItsWalky 10:14, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

I wish us Euro market TF fans weren't so bad at documenting Transformers toys, their art and documents. Stuff from this era is so difficult to find on the internet. --FFN 10:20, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

Really? First earth mode? Shouldn't we then swap out Shockwave's main pic for his Alternator form then? Wasp isn't using his first Earth form, either.--Jimsorenson 10:53, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

*sigh* There's a statute of limitations if the first Earth toy came years and years after the first appearance. I wish I could respond to queries such as this quickly without being jumped on for not typing out a dissertation so that I cover all the Main Image selection quirks. --ItsWalky 11:10, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

I'm not trying to jump down your throat for your reply - I'd just never heard the policy articulated as 'first Earth mode' before. I've heard 'first fictional appearance,' which isn't really what we do but seems pretty close. Is there a help or an about section with this info? --Jimsorenson 11:29, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

The "(Earth)" was only disambiguating Ironfist's toy body from this Wreckers body, for the purposes of my explanation. It wasn't actually a part of the "policy." --ItsWalky 11:42, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

Ah, my apologies then. I misunderstood. First body it is, as I've always though. Of course, that leads to the situation of the first-episode bodies before characters take on their 'proper' alternate modes, but I'm willing to turn a blind eye if everyone else is.--Jimsorenson 11:58, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

My impression was the rule was "first toy-based body" for guys who are based on toys. --M Sipher 12:17, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

As long as whatever policy we choose is tempered with a liberal dose of common sense. I'm REALLY glad that BW Megatron doesn't use the alligator for his main pic, and that Animated Optimus Prime and Megatron use their earth bodies and not their Cybertronian bodies. Perhaps my debating style is too circuitous, but I wasn't ever really trying to suggest that Shockblast is the proper representation for Shockwave. My TRUE point is that we should probably go with whatever picture seems most representative of a character and NOT try to codify things with a bunch of silly rules. Did the Alligator BW Megatron toy come first? Sure. Is it by any means close to the best representation of the character? No. --Jimsorenson 13:22, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

Pretty much. Most rules here need gray areas, or else we become wikipedia. But it also needs to be noted that those gray areas are not a carte-blanche to do whatever. They're there for special circumstances, not "because I wanna". --M Sipher 13:24, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

Perhaps they should be noted ... at all. I went looking for the rules on main image selection and didn't see them anywhere. That's not to say they don't exist, but if a couple of minutes of an experienced editor searching doesn't turn them up, how is a newbie supposed to find them?--Jimsorenson 13:29, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

I've been gone for a while, so maybe I missed something, but the idea of having mainpic-bodyform "rules" is news to me. Of course we have our general visual style - backgrounds are discouraged, a full-body view is preferred, etc. But I figured the preferred bodyform was always the one "most representative," whatever that means for the character. In Ironfist's case, I do support the box-art because he has two competing contemporary story-incarnations, and the visual inspiration for both of them is the toy. Roche's version deviates a fair bit, sure, but the toy was still clearly the starting point. (For the record, I would NOT support using the box-art for, say, G1 Ratchet, since his Dery-model has been a lot more influential in defining his fundamental look.) - Jackpot 16:45, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

I can at least see where this dispute would arise, since due to Last Stand of the Wreckers there are now characters that Nick Roche has essentially defined. At this moment, Wreckers has far and away the largest corpus of Ironfist characterization.--Rosicrucian^Talk 14:12, 24 April 2010 (EDT)

I think you could make a case to use the Roche image for the same reason you use the ROTF version of the Fallen. It's the form that made the individual recognisable to the casual comic book reader, who DOESN'T know all the G2/Late G1 guys User:Eire 00.06 May 23rd 2010 (UTC)

That's what the wiki is for. The casual reader sees a new character and punches him up on the wiki. He then gets information on the character's history. If they are reading the comic they already know what he looks like in that comic anyway. I think the Fallen's mainpic was a pragmatic choice to not confuse mass moviegoers. - Starfield 20:06, 22 May 2010 (EDT)

Laser rifle

His bio says he designed Optimus Prime's "laser rifle", which is an outdated designation that no longer applies to Optimus Prime's primary weapon (according to Hasbro, anyway). Should we link to and edit the laser rifle article or the ion blaster article? --FFN 06:03, 25 April 2010 (EDT)

Considering the use of the term "to this day", I'd say it refers to Optimus Prime's ion blaster, but just used laser rifle for simplicity's sake. Or, y'know, since it's a stub, maybe the previous editor just got the name wrong. :p --Detour 06:09, 25 April 2010 (EDT)

It's said to be laser rifle in Ironfist's biography in LSOTW #4. We usually go with how the fiction presents it, but for quite a few years now various Optimus Primes, especially G1 Prime, are said, especially by Hasbro, to use an ion blaster. Even our laser rifle article notes that his rifle was only referred to as such in the Sunbow cartoon and the original release of the toy. --FFN 07:20, 25 April 2010 (EDT)

Yes, and his biography also happens to be a stub. --Detour 07:22, 25 April 2010 (EDT)

Fisitron redirect

I added a redirect from Fisitron back when LSotW #1 came out, but with #5 revealing that someone else has used the name, is it still kosher? - Cattleprod 00:44, 23 May 2010 (EDT)

With someone else using it too, Fisitron should probably get its own entry.--Jimsorenson 03:34, 23 May 2010 (EDT)

Hijacking the funny

It's probably been overdone, but I'm itching to change the last line to 'have a race'... --Tribimat 18:05, 5 October 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, I've, uh, reverted that change already. --ItsWalky 18:12, 5 October 2010 (EDT)

Okay, fair enough. --Tribimat 19:52, 5 October 2010 (EDT)

Statue comment

The following sentence seems a little odd: "A statue to him was erected within Kimia, though it inflicted some damage during an attack by the Sweeps". Is it supposed to say that the statue damaged someone or that someone damaged the statue? If the latter, it should say that it "suffered some damage". --Khajidha 15:29, 1 December 2011 (EST)