Talk:Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)

Is the list of characters intended to be expanded to include all the characters that appeared in Victory? If so, including Wheeljack and Perceptor is fine. If not, they really don't feature enough to merit mention, I shouldn't think....--G.B. Blackrock 22:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure an "Appearing Characters" is appropriate for this page. Imagine if we were consistent and did that also on the page for the original animated series! I think a better use of this information would be on individual episode pages. --ItsWalky 23:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree, which is rather the point. I don't think Wheeljack or Perceptor feature anything like prominently enough in Victory to be on this page.--G.B. Blackrock 23:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

It'd be nice to have some production notes, to shed some light into the background on the making of the series. Takeshi357 12:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Franchise page?

Victory appears to lack a franchise page. Could someone-who-is-not-me please crib one together from the short Masterforce page or something? I'm otherwise occupied, which is the only reason I noticed its lack. -Derik 04:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

How about that episode list? Takeshi357 02:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

This? What about it? —Interrobang 07:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Nothing, I already found it and added the link to the article. :P Now if someone could be arsed to write articles for the rest of the episodes...but who would take upon such a task? Takeshi357 15:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Clip shows vs. Recap episodes

I've marked the clip shows in the episode list here... but I'm not entirely sure these are two seperate beasts.

McFeely put some of these direct-to-video clip shows between episodes, and a bunch more at the end of the series. I'm assuming that this is because the mid-quel clip shows are "Holi and Jan sit aroudn the base and remember when..." where the episodes themselves have a shell story (however minimal) that actually takes place 'here and now,' while the later ones identified simply as 'clip shows' do not.

Can someone confirm if I'm right in this belief? -Derik 04:46, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

That's because the ones between legitimate episodes aired as part of the series proper, while the ones at the end were released on home video. That, and it's how the Japanese compile their episode lists. We really just follow what they do. —Interrobang 04:59, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

ah, i was thrown by some of the early clip shows not having airdates. They're simply missign airdate then-- they don't lack them. -Derik 05:00, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

To further clarify, none of the episodes have any kind of shell story - they are 100% clips presided over by omniscient narration. - Chris McFeely 07:17, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

Excellent! Thank you Mr. McFeely! -Derik 08:28, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

Deathcobra

The Victory page is locked and there's no mention of Deathcobra in the cast list. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Deathcobra —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathius (talk • contribs) 00:19, 6 June 2010 (EDT).

It's not a cast list, it's a main cast list. Deathcobra appeared in all of one episode. The page got locked speficially because people kept adding one-episode characters to the list. --Detour 00:22, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

Oh I see. This is an encyclopedia that has only partial knowledge. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathius (talk • contribs) 01:48, 6 June 2010 (EDT).

No this is a wiki that differentiates between legidimate major characters and hundreds of one-shot nobodies. Deathcobra is mentioned where he's relevant. Which is not the main Victory page. --ZacWilliam 01:51, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

"One shot nobodies" are still characters in the universe. You have more information dedicated to characters who don't even have toys. If I hadn't watched the episodes I wouldn't even know about this guy because you don't include him unless someone reads each and every one of your episode summaries. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathius (talk • contribs) 01:54, 6 June 2010 (EDT).

Oh no! We're not including characters outside of articles to which they are relevant! The audacity of it all!!! --Detour 02:16, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

We only list main cast on the series pages to give a clear impression about who the main and recurring characters are. You could list Deathcobra and Old Tom and so on on the Victory page, but it would just obscure who the regular case of the series is. If you listed every single character in the Victory universe, you'd have to list every Masterforce, Headmasters and Generation 1 guy as well. --abates 02:24, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

And if we listed every character who ever appeared, things would get too out of hand. We'd have things like "Security Guard from Roll for It" and "Seeker #9" --NCZ 07:44, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

And yet "the pisser" is listed from dreamwave comics. Like I said, there's no point in arguing with you. Fanboys are the same the world over. They don't like anyone not in their little "cliche" and they can't handle when someone tells them their "world" doesn't make sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathius (talk • contribs) 12:31, 6 June 2010 (EDT).

On which page? --NCZ 12:40, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

There is no page which contains an overview of the characters appearing in the Dreamwave comics for "The Pisser" to be listed on. He is listed on a page which lists all the human characters in Generation 1 and the page describing the issue in which he appears; neither is analogous to the general Victory cartoon page, as this page does not attempt to list every incidental character that appeared over the course of the Victory series. It's possible that there should be a section listing every incidental from a given series on its page, but at present our pages are not set up in that way. --Monzo 12:44, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

I choose to eschew decency. Shut up and fuck off. Deathcobra is not a main character, therefore he doesn't go in the "main cast". Stop looking for - and failing to find - comparative situations. I imagine you're the guy who's been trying to add all the do-nothing Mini-Cons to the Armada page, and the five-second Headmasters cameo characters to the Masterforce page. These were locked to stop this stupid shit, because it is stupid. You can wail about how we're a "clique" (although how we're "fanboys" and you're not when you're hearing trying to edit the wiki as well, I don't know), but it will do you no good, because you are in the wrong. It's not changing. Go bitch about us on a messageboard or something - that's what every other retard who tries to add something fucking stupid to the wiki and then gets it reverted does. Cry about it some fucking more. - Chris McFeely 13:28, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

The problem isn't people telling us something doesn't make sense. The problem is someone trying to tell us something doesn't make sense before they take the time to learn how our system actually works and the reasoning behind it.

Which it's clear from your comments here and on SG Arcee's page that you haven't taken that time, and instead of simply asking reasonable questions so you could learn, you felt the need to act like a dick. --Jeysie 13:39, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

I'm acting like a dick? I'm not the one cussing and whining like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. And if I was a dick I'd have just made the edit instead of discussing it first. I don't expect you guys to understand what the difference between a fanboy and a normal person is. It's built into the definition of a fanboy that you are incapable of understanding when you're in the wrong. You guys are like little kids sitting in the sandbox with your "repurposing" nonsense saying "Let's pretend that Hot Rod is bumblee because Hasbro didn't make one." Seriously? You claim there's no "cliche", but then you throw around the words "our" and "we" etc. etc. and talk about your "system" that I don't understand. If your system works so well then what's with the glaring inconsistencies? If people are continually trying to edit pages and you're locking them so they can't be editted, OBVIOUSLY they want the information there. But you don't want it there so it can't be. But there's no cliche. Whatever. --Mathius 14:25, 6 June 2010 (EDT)