Talk:Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)

Is the list of characters intended to be expanded to include all the characters that appeared in Victory? If so, including Wheeljack and Perceptor is fine. If not, they really don't feature enough to merit mention, I shouldn't think....--G.B. Blackrock 22:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure an "Appearing Characters" is appropriate for this page. Imagine if we were consistent and did that also on the page for the original animated series! I think a better use of this information would be on individual episode pages. --ItsWalky 23:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree, which is rather the point. I don't think Wheeljack or Perceptor feature anything like prominently enough in Victory to be on this page.--G.B. Blackrock 23:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

It'd be nice to have some production notes, to shed some light into the background on the making of the series. Takeshi357 12:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Franchise page?

Victory appears to lack a franchise page. Could someone-who-is-not-me please crib one together from the short Masterforce page or something? I'm otherwise occupied, which is the only reason I noticed its lack. -Derik 04:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

How about that episode list? Takeshi357 02:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

This? What about it? —Interrobang 07:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Nothing, I already found it and added the link to the article. :P Now if someone could be arsed to write articles for the rest of the episodes...but who would take upon such a task? Takeshi357 15:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Clip shows vs. Recap episodes

I've marked the clip shows in the episode list here... but I'm not entirely sure these are two seperate beasts.

McFeely put some of these direct-to-video clip shows between episodes, and a bunch more at the end of the series. I'm assuming that this is because the mid-quel clip shows are "Holi and Jan sit aroudn the base and remember when..." where the episodes themselves have a shell story (however minimal) that actually takes place 'here and now,' while the later ones identified simply as 'clip shows' do not.

Can someone confirm if I'm right in this belief? -Derik 04:46, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

That's because the ones between legitimate episodes aired as part of the series proper, while the ones at the end were released on home video. That, and it's how the Japanese compile their episode lists. We really just follow what they do. —Interrobang 04:59, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

ah, i was thrown by some of the early clip shows not having airdates. They're simply missign airdate then-- they don't lack them. -Derik 05:00, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

To further clarify, none of the episodes have any kind of shell story - they are 100% clips presided over by omniscient narration. - Chris McFeely 07:17, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

Excellent! Thank you Mr. McFeely! -Derik 08:28, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

Deathcobra

The Victory page is locked and there's no mention of Deathcobra in the cast list. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Deathcobra —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathius (talk • contribs){{#if:00:19, 6 June 2010 (EDT)| 00:19, 6 June 2010 (EDT)|}}.

It's not a cast list, it's a main cast list. Deathcobra appeared in all of one episode. The page got locked speficially because people kept adding one-episode characters to the list. --Detour 00:22, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

Oh I see. This is an encyclopedia that has only partial knowledge. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathius (talk • contribs){{#if:01:48, 6 June 2010 (EDT)| 01:48, 6 June 2010 (EDT)|}}.

No this is a wiki that differentiates between legidimate major characters and hundreds of one-shot nobodies. Deathcobra is mentioned where he's relevant. Which is not the main Victory page. --ZacWilliam 01:51, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

"One shot nobodies" are still characters in the universe. You have more information dedicated to characters who don't even have toys. If I hadn't watched the episodes I wouldn't even know about this guy because you don't include him unless someone reads each and every one of your episode summaries. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathius (talk • contribs){{#if:01:54, 6 June 2010 (EDT)| 01:54, 6 June 2010 (EDT)|}}.

Oh no! We're not including characters outside of articles to which they are relevant! The audacity of it all!!! --Detour 02:16, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

We only list main cast on the series pages to give a clear impression about who the main and recurring characters are. You could list Deathcobra and Old Tom and so on on the Victory page, but it would just obscure who the regular case of the series is. If you listed every single character in the Victory universe, you'd have to list every Masterforce, Headmasters and Generation 1 guy as well. --abates 02:24, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

And if we listed every character who ever appeared, things would get too out of hand. We'd have things like "Security Guard from Roll for It" and "Seeker #9" --NCZ 07:44, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

And yet "the pisser" is listed from dreamwave comics. Like I said, there's no point in arguing with you. Fanboys are the same the world over. They don't like anyone not in their little "cliche" and they can't handle when someone tells them their "world" doesn't make sense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mathius (talk • contribs){{#if:12:31, 6 June 2010 (EDT)| 12:31, 6 June 2010 (EDT)|}}.

On which page? --NCZ 12:40, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

There is no page which contains an overview of the characters appearing in the Dreamwave comics for "The Pisser" to be listed on. He is listed on a page which lists all the human characters in Generation 1 and the page describing the issue in which he appears; neither is analogous to the general Victory cartoon page, as this page does not attempt to list every incidental character that appeared over the course of the Victory series. It's possible that there should be a section listing every incidental from a given series on its page, but at present our pages are not set up in that way. --Monzo 12:44, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

I choose to eschew decency. Shut up and fuck off. Deathcobra is not a main character, therefore he doesn't go in the "main cast". Stop looking for - and failing to find - comparative situations. I imagine you're the guy who's been trying to add all the do-nothing Mini-Cons to the Armada page, and the five-second Headmasters cameo characters to the Masterforce page. These were locked to stop this stupid shit, because it is stupid. You can wail about how we're a "clique" (although how we're "fanboys" and you're not when you're hearing trying to edit the wiki as well, I don't know), but it will do you no good, because you are in the wrong. It's not changing. Go bitch about us on a messageboard or something - that's what every other retard who tries to add something fucking stupid to the wiki and then gets it reverted does. Cry about it some fucking more. - Chris McFeely 13:28, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

The problem isn't people telling us something doesn't make sense. The problem is someone trying to tell us something doesn't make sense before they take the time to learn how our system actually works and the reasoning behind it.

Which it's clear from your comments here and on SG Arcee's page that you haven't taken that time, and instead of simply asking reasonable questions so you could learn, you felt the need to act like a dick. --Jeysie 13:39, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

I'm acting like a dick? I'm not the one cussing and whining like a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. And if I was a dick I'd have just made the edit instead of discussing it first. I don't expect you guys to understand what the difference between a fanboy and a normal person is. It's built into the definition of a fanboy that you are incapable of understanding when you're in the wrong. You guys are like little kids sitting in the sandbox with your "repurposing" nonsense saying "Let's pretend that Hot Rod is bumblee because Hasbro didn't make one." Seriously? You claim there's no "cliche", but then you throw around the words "our" and "we" etc. etc. and talk about your "system" that "I don't understand." If your system works so well then what's with the glaring inconsistencies? (YOUR repurposing page says they're unofficial, but you argue here that they are official. Whatever) If people are continually trying to edit pages and you're locking them so they can't be editted, OBVIOUSLY they want the information there. But you don't want it there so it can't be. But there's no cliche. Whatever. --Mathius 14:25, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

You are using "clique" to describe "group of people who actually follow the established rules and way of doing things of the site." And have not provided any kind of real explanation for why Deathcobra belongs in a section named "Main Cast". - Chris McFeely 14:31, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

The problem here isn't that we don't understand how we're in the wrong. The problem is that you only think we're wrong because you don't understand how things work and won't pay attention to our explanations trying to show you how they work.

We explained to you why we don't list minor cameo characters on main fiction pages, and the places we do list them.

As for the repurposing, Detour already explained that you didn't pay attention to the whole quote: "The repurposed character has no official toy release of his own, but the toy can take on double-duty representing both the character he was originally released as (the character on the box) and the repurposed character established later on in fiction."

On top of that, the descriptions in the prose and/or illustrations for the prose or comic clearly describe/show the character as being represented by that toy (since that's what the author/artist had in mind as being the official representation while doing their art/description).

So if you want to actually understand how things work and then see if something genuinely doesn't make sense, then drop the attitude and listen and then comment. --Jeysie 14:42, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

These are not established RULES, these are just things that are done that way because you as a group have decided they are this way. I read the rules pages, I know very well what they say. The list of rules lists what is deemed official and unofficial content, behaviorial restrictions, etc. There is a GUIDELINE as to where the content should be listed and how, there are not a list of RULES that say the front page of an established series should have a listing of main characters only, nor deem who is a main character and who isn't. Deathcobra was only in one episode because he "DIED" in said episode, but he was certainly a main character FOR that episode. I need not remind you that the Sunstorm character didn't even have a name until E-Hobby decided that this "One Shot Nobody" was worthy of a second look. The point of the matter is, if I'm researching Victory and I know nothing about it, one of the first places I'm going to look is the character casting list. He's a character. He had a decent role. He's not in it. He's also one of only 8 breastforce characters which is significant as well.

I read what Detour wrote. You fail to recognize that the rest of the quote doesn't change anything as far as logic is concern. And I read the 'prose' stories (with the exception of reunification), they have few illustrations in them. Again you fail to see your system doesn't work and your logic is distorted. You're arguing to me that this toy looks like this character, but your own wiki page says there is no official image of this person. In other words, you justified whatthis person should look like based on a textual description and are trying to argue with me the accuracy of what is essentially someone's interpretation of the text.

Does this phrase look familiar? "This character has no official visual representation whatsoever... yet, at least."

Another point to make is that part of the "guidelines" for this is to provide sources. Where are the sources for your "repurposed" pretend figures if they're "official" ?--Mathius 14:51, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

Okay, I need two things to happen. First and foremost, I need people to calm down and tone down this argument's rhetoric a lot or we're never going to get anywhere and some folks are going to get a time out. Second, this is the talkpage for the Victory cartoon. The repurposed toy discussion does not belong here, so please take it to the page where it originated.--Rosicrucian^Talk 14:56, 6 June 2010 (EDT)

Revisiting the cast list

Since expanding the cast list has come back up. I think it's very misleading to include (for example) Overlord in the cast list, no matter how that is titled, as Overlord has a cameo in one episode. People are going to look at the list and think Overlord has a significant appearance in the show, which is far from the case. --abates (talk) 15:56, 5 January 2025 (EST)

As someone who has not seen Victory as of this writing, my concerns primarily lied in Black Shadow and Blue Bacchus. Seeing as the two Crossformers were voiced characters with toys (with the former also seeing some notable attention after Victory), I failed to realized the duo only appeared in one episode. Sorry... ShootingStar7X (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2025 (EST)

The cast list on the Prime cartoon page includes characters who only appeared for one episode such as Makeshift and Tailgate, so what's the excuse for including those characters there but not including Deathcobra, Black Shadow and Blue Bacchus here? --FemboyRatchet (talk) 22:50, 5th of February, 2025 (GMT)

Different shows have different standards as the situation demands. Saix (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2025 (EST)