Talk:Nexus Prime
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Naming Issues
I wouldn't mind not increasing traffic to that, um, non-Transformers related website. - Starfield 20:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
- Well, Critical Name Research Failure is the sort of thing we tend to find news-worthy, and I'm not sure how else to cite it... --Jeysie 20:27, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
- As a side note, at least as of today this wiki page has pulled ahead of the, shall we say, "original" Nexus Maximus page. -- Dark T Zeratul 05:24, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
So..... ummm in the Club comics he is a Prime now (Nexus Prime) ....... there goes all the jokes.... ho huh........ Protoman 12:07, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
- Source please. Let's make this better, £5 if it's not leaked.Metal Gear NOIZE 14:26, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
- Er, his source is probably just what he said it was: the club comics. Specifically Reunification: Part 5, which according to the TFCC webpage the first-class subscribers should be getting right now. (As a lowly third-classer, I have to wait.) --Jeysie 14:30, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
- Yup 's from the mag. And to officially raise the question, didn't we establish that "in fiction" names trump "on package" names for the wiki? That would mean this should move, Yes? (Or does unintentionally hilarious names trump in fiction names?) --ZacWilliam 07:29, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- I'd speculate that, hilarious name or no, they were probably always intending to call him "Nexus Prime" in the story itself (since being one of the 13, he should be a Prime), and just had to make a concession for the toy since Hasbro are persnickity about what "Prime" gets put on. - Chris McFeely 08:29, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Yup 's from the mag. And to officially raise the question, didn't we establish that "in fiction" names trump "on package" names for the wiki? That would mean this should move, Yes? (Or does unintentionally hilarious names trump in fiction names?) --ZacWilliam 07:29, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- I always thought it was the other way around... toy trumps fiction as the official name. (Or is that only for which franchise to put people in?) --Jeysie 09:05, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Naw, it's always been fiction-first. "Beast Changer", and all that. I don't think we have anyone at their toy-name if they have a different in fiction. - Chris McFeely 10:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Yup, fiction trumps toys for us, always has. --Jimsorenson 12:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- That's... not true, really, otherwise we wouldn't have "Brawl (Movie)" or "Jolt (Movie)", neither of which I think should be moved. It's just exceedingly rare for the circumstances to arise where a toy is named first then the later fiction decides to name them something else (or, well, Brawl's bizarre case). In almost every instance, the fiction goes with the names pre-set by the toys, since in most instances the toys come first and fiction is crafted around it. Toys of characters developed for fiction first are a fairly recent and still pretty rare occurrence, and obviously, they're going to shoot for the name the character was given first when they name the toy. Nexus here, we know the backstory that they always wanted "Nexus Prime", and Hasbro's recent reluctance to "water down" the Prime designation, so the current name here I'm okay with. It's not a 100% every-time rule... it's just generally the way naming works in this franchise based on real-world chronology... which I consider the bigger trump card, and even that's not absolute. --M Sipher 13:06, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- You are of course correct. I guess the actual policy is something more akin to 'the most prominent name for the character,' taking toys and fiction and out of universe info into account.--Jimsorenson 22:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Not particularly - surely, to pick one example, Overhaul (Cybertron) would be at Leobreaker if that was the case, yes? - SanityOrMadness 23:34, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- What if the wiki were more flexible where you didn't have to pick one name to be the most prominent to be the name of the article. There would be a list of valid names and whatever one you searched for or linked from would appear at the top of the article with a list of other valid names directly below it. That would be cool. - Starfield 23:59, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- You mean like, if there were some way where if you typed in "Leobreaker" you were somehow... redirected... to Overhaul? My god, it's brilliant. :D Hooper_X 10:42, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- I believe he's looking more for something like typing in "Leobreaker" and you'd be directed to Overhaul's page, but "Leobreaker" would still show as the page title, with "Overhaul" and any other redirects listed below it. Having the page title change like that isn't really that good an idea, though. When you get redirected, there's already a note at the top saying so, indicating that the wiki didn't ignore what you typed. As for having all the page redirects listed...well, what for? If you've already found the page, you don't need them. They'd just take up space, I'd think.--Apcog 11:07, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- Uh, no, I meant what I said. Meaning "if we went purely on prominence, surely the Overhaul page should be moved to Leobreaker" (and I was using that as an example, not as the only example. There are other pages at perhaps less-prominent-but-later names). - SanityOrMadness 17:25, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- I believe he's looking more for something like typing in "Leobreaker" and you'd be directed to Overhaul's page, but "Leobreaker" would still show as the page title, with "Overhaul" and any other redirects listed below it. Having the page title change like that isn't really that good an idea, though. When you get redirected, there's already a note at the top saying so, indicating that the wiki didn't ignore what you typed. As for having all the page redirects listed...well, what for? If you've already found the page, you don't need them. They'd just take up space, I'd think.--Apcog 11:07, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- You mean like, if there were some way where if you typed in "Leobreaker" you were somehow... redirected... to Overhaul? My god, it's brilliant. :D Hooper_X 10:42, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- What if the wiki were more flexible where you didn't have to pick one name to be the most prominent to be the name of the article. There would be a list of valid names and whatever one you searched for or linked from would appear at the top of the article with a list of other valid names directly below it. That would be cool. - Starfield 23:59, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Not particularly - surely, to pick one example, Overhaul (Cybertron) would be at Leobreaker if that was the case, yes? - SanityOrMadness 23:34, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- You are of course correct. I guess the actual policy is something more akin to 'the most prominent name for the character,' taking toys and fiction and out of universe info into account.--Jimsorenson 22:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- That's... not true, really, otherwise we wouldn't have "Brawl (Movie)" or "Jolt (Movie)", neither of which I think should be moved. It's just exceedingly rare for the circumstances to arise where a toy is named first then the later fiction decides to name them something else (or, well, Brawl's bizarre case). In almost every instance, the fiction goes with the names pre-set by the toys, since in most instances the toys come first and fiction is crafted around it. Toys of characters developed for fiction first are a fairly recent and still pretty rare occurrence, and obviously, they're going to shoot for the name the character was given first when they name the toy. Nexus here, we know the backstory that they always wanted "Nexus Prime", and Hasbro's recent reluctance to "water down" the Prime designation, so the current name here I'm okay with. It's not a 100% every-time rule... it's just generally the way naming works in this franchise based on real-world chronology... which I consider the bigger trump card, and even that's not absolute. --M Sipher 13:06, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Yup, fiction trumps toys for us, always has. --Jimsorenson 12:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Naw, it's always been fiction-first. "Beast Changer", and all that. I don't think we have anyone at their toy-name if they have a different in fiction. - Chris McFeely 10:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- I always thought it was the other way around... toy trumps fiction as the official name. (Or is that only for which franchise to put people in?) --Jeysie 09:05, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Yes, there is a little note saying that you were redirected, like from "Leobreaker" to "Overhaul" but that doesn't stop big discussions as to the all-important big name at the top of the article. It forces the wiki to take a stance as to which name is more prominent. The list of other names is to immediately let the reader who is on the "Leobreaker" page know that there is not also a separate "Overhaul" page. It might not be practical, but it would allow the wiki to be more neutral to such things. - Starfield 11:40, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- I don't know what possible benefit we would get from this.--RosicrucianTalk 12:50, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- I do. We'd never have to argue about which name takes primacy. Do we file Animated Wasp under Wasp or Waspinator? Doesn't matter, whichever you type in is what the name on the top of the page says. Nexus Prime or Nexus Maximus? Doesn't matter. Elita-1 or Blackarachnia? V.V.H. or Variable Voltage Harness? Brigadoon or Flying island? Optimus Prime or Orion Pax or Optronix? As long as there's no debate about whether a name is valid or not, then we can avoid a lot of handwringing by making a little code. I think it's a great idea. --Jimsorenson 13:05, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- Regardless of how beneficial or not it would be, I don't think it would even be possible, since the wiki database uses the title of an article in storing it, and I doubt there's any way to feasibly tie redirects to a main article in terms of rewriting the HTML. I have a feeling it'd be a lot more than just "a little code". You'd pretty much have to rewrite the database schema itself to enable it to store aliases of some sort for a page. And then I'm not sure how you could make it so that redirects=stored as aliases.
- But IANAP (I Am Not a Programmer), so take this with a few grains of salt. --Jeysie 18:22, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- I do. We'd never have to argue about which name takes primacy. Do we file Animated Wasp under Wasp or Waspinator? Doesn't matter, whichever you type in is what the name on the top of the page says. Nexus Prime or Nexus Maximus? Doesn't matter. Elita-1 or Blackarachnia? V.V.H. or Variable Voltage Harness? Brigadoon or Flying island? Optimus Prime or Orion Pax or Optronix? As long as there's no debate about whether a name is valid or not, then we can avoid a lot of handwringing by making a little code. I think it's a great idea. --Jimsorenson 13:05, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- I don't know what possible benefit we would get from this.--RosicrucianTalk 12:50, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
- Yes, there is a little note saying that you were redirected, like from "Leobreaker" to "Overhaul" but that doesn't stop big discussions as to the all-important big name at the top of the article. It forces the wiki to take a stance as to which name is more prominent. The list of other names is to immediately let the reader who is on the "Leobreaker" page know that there is not also a separate "Overhaul" page. It might not be practical, but it would allow the wiki to be more neutral to such things. - Starfield 11:40, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
Nexus Prime seems to be his true form, does that mean he is like the opposite of a combiner, a disassemble-er? Instead of the minds of several Transformers gestalting into one, his mind fractures into five? Oh, and I vote for the move. - Starfield 12:14, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
Remember, we have a 30-day grace period enforced before we add Club Magazine material. --ItsWalky 21:06, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
- Correct, but surely this doesn't extend to something as simple as rectifying a name?--RosicrucianTalk 21:15, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
The link at the bottom, "posted an image" leads to a password protected site. 76.252.60.224 01:16, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
Official Configuration
"Fun Publications stated at BotCon 2009 that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Topspin as the left arm, Breakaway as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the Caretaker no one knows."
Considering that his comic setup ended up being Landquake=right arm, Topspin=right leg, Breakaway=left arm, Skyfall=left leg, and I don't have access to his instructions or BotCon 09 info, I have no idea if this is an editing goof on our part (and the BotCon 09/instruction info needs fixing), or if both the BotCon 09/instruction setup and the Caretaker setup ended up not matching the comic. --Jeysie 12:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)
- Wouldn't this note be better put in the toy description? Not to mention redoing the photo to actually match it. Khajidha 12:50, 11 February 2010 (EST)
