Talk:Nexus Prime

Naming Issues

I wouldn't mind not increasing traffic to that, um, non-Transformers related website. - Starfield 20:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

Well, Critical Name Research Failure is the sort of thing we tend to find news-worthy, and I'm not sure how else to cite it... --Jeysie 20:27, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

As a side note, at least as of today this wiki page has pulled ahead of the, shall we say, "original" Nexus Maximus page. -- Dark T Zeratul 05:24, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

So..... ummm in the Club comics he is a Prime now (Nexus Prime) ....... there goes all the jokes.... ho huh........ Protoman 12:07, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

Source please. Let's make this better, £5 if it's not leaked.Metal Gear NOIZE 14:26, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

Er, his source is probably just what he said it was: the club comics. Specifically Reunification: Part 5, which according to the TFCC webpage the first-class subscribers should be getting right now. (As a lowly third-classer, I have to wait.) --Jeysie 14:30, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

Yup 's from the mag. And to officially raise the question, didn't we establish that "in fiction" names trump "on package" names for the wiki? That would mean this should move, Yes? (Or does unintentionally hilarious names trump in fiction names?) --ZacWilliam 07:29, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

I'd speculate that, hilarious name or no, they were probably always intending to call him "Nexus Prime" in the story itself (since being one of the 13, he should be a Prime), and just had to make a concession for the toy since Hasbro are persnickity about what "Prime" gets put on. - Chris McFeely 08:29, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

I always thought it was the other way around... toy trumps fiction as the official name. (Or is that only for which franchise to put people in?) --Jeysie 09:05, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Naw, it's always been fiction-first. "Beast Changer", and all that. I don't think we have anyone at their toy-name if they have a different in fiction. - Chris McFeely 10:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Yup, fiction trumps toys for us, always has. --Jimsorenson 12:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

That's... not true, really, otherwise we wouldn't have "Brawl (Movie)" or "Jolt (Movie)", neither of which I think should be moved. It's just exceedingly rare for the circumstances to arise where a toy is named first then the later fiction decides to name them something else (or, well, Brawl's bizarre case). In almost every instance, the fiction goes with the names pre-set by the toys, since in most instances the toys come first and fiction is crafted around it. Toys of characters developed for fiction first are a fairly recent and still pretty rare occurrence, and obviously, they're going to shoot for the name the character was given first when they name the toy. Nexus here, we know the backstory that they always wanted "Nexus Prime", and Hasbro's recent reluctance to "water down" the Prime designation, so the current name here I'm okay with. It's not a 100% every-time rule... it's just generally the way naming works in this franchise based on real-world chronology... which I consider the bigger trump card, and even that's not absolute. --M Sipher 13:06, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

You are of course correct. I guess the actual policy is something more akin to 'the most prominent name for the character,' taking toys and fiction and out of universe info into account.--Jimsorenson 22:19, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Not particularly - surely, to pick one example, Overhaul (Cybertron) would be at Leobreaker if that was the case, yes? - SanityOrMadness 23:34, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

What if the wiki were more flexible where you didn't have to pick one name to be the most prominent to be the name of the article. There would be a list of valid names and whatever one you searched for or linked from would appear at the top of the article with a list of other valid names directly below it. That would be cool. - Starfield 23:59, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

You mean like, if there were some way where if you typed in "Leobreaker" you were somehow... redirected... to Overhaul? My god, it's brilliant. :D Hooper_X 10:42, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

I believe he's looking more for something like typing in "Leobreaker" and you'd be directed to Overhaul's page, but "Leobreaker" would still show as the page title, with "Overhaul" and any other redirects listed below it. Having the page title change like that isn't really that good an idea, though. When you get redirected, there's already a note at the top saying so, indicating that the wiki didn't ignore what you typed. As for having all the page redirects listed...well, what for? If you've already found the page, you don't need them. They'd just take up space, I'd think.--Apcog 11:07, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Uh, no, I meant what I said. Meaning "if we went purely on prominence, surely the Overhaul page should be moved to Leobreaker" (and I was using that as an example, not as the only example. There are other pages at perhaps less-prominent-but-later names). - SanityOrMadness 17:25, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Yes, there is a little note saying that you were redirected, like from "Leobreaker" to "Overhaul" but that doesn't stop big discussions as to the all-important big name at the top of the article. It forces the wiki to take a stance as to which name is more prominent. The list of other names is to immediately let the reader who is on the "Leobreaker" page know that there is not also a separate "Overhaul" page. It might not be practical, but it would allow the wiki to be more neutral to such things. - Starfield 11:40, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

I don't know what possible benefit we would get from this.--Rosicrucian^Talk 12:50, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

I do. We'd never have to argue about which name takes primacy. Do we file Animated Wasp under Wasp or Waspinator? Doesn't matter, whichever you type in is what the name on the top of the page says. Nexus Prime or Nexus Maximus? Doesn't matter. Elita-1 or Blackarachnia? V.V.H. or Variable Voltage Harness? Brigadoon or Flying island? Optimus Prime or Orion Pax or Optronix? As long as there's no debate about whether a name is valid or not, then we can avoid a lot of handwringing by making a little code. I think it's a great idea. --Jimsorenson 13:05, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Regardless of how beneficial or not it would be, I don't think it would even be possible, since the wiki database uses the title of an article in storing it, and I doubt there's any way to feasibly tie redirects to a main article in terms of rewriting the HTML. I have a feeling it'd be a lot more than just "a little code". You'd pretty much have to rewrite the database schema itself to enable it to store aliases of some sort for a page. And then I'm not sure how you could make it so that redirects=stored as aliases.

But IANAP (I Am Not a Programmer), so take this with a few grains of salt. --Jeysie 18:22, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Nexus Prime seems to be his true form, does that mean he is like the opposite of a combiner, a disassemble-er? Instead of the minds of several Transformers gestalting into one, his mind fractures into five? Oh, and I vote for the move. - Starfield 12:14, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Remember, we have a 30-day grace period enforced before we add Club Magazine material. --ItsWalky 21:06, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Correct, but surely this doesn't extend to something as simple as rectifying a name?--Rosicrucian^Talk 21:15, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

The link at the bottom, "posted an image" leads to a password protected site. 76.252.60.224 01:16, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

We are well aware. --ItsWalky 01:26, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

Official Configuration

"Fun Publications stated at BotCon 2009 that the official limb arrangement for Nexus Prime is that of the configuration in his instructions. With Landquake as the right arm, Topspin as the left arm, Breakaway as the right leg, and Skyfall as the left leg. Why he was depicted in a different arrangement in the caverns around the Caretaker no one knows."

Considering that his comic setup ended up being Landquake=right arm, Topspin=right leg, Breakaway=left arm, Skyfall=left leg, and I don't have access to his instructions or BotCon 09 info, I have no idea if this is an editing goof on our part (and the BotCon 09/instruction info needs fixing), or if both the BotCon 09/instruction setup and the Caretaker setup ended up not matching the comic. --Jeysie 12:47, 11 February 2010 (EST)

Wouldn't this note be better put in the toy description? Not to mention redoing the photo to actually match it. Khajidha 12:50, 11 February 2010 (EST)

Link

I really think the link to the site the "orriginal" Nexus Maximus is sold should be removed. Any child could come here and click it.--Primo 18:46, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

Any young child on the Internet should be under direct supervision. If not, then they get to learn something neat. --ItsWalky 18:54, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

There's a disclaimer. That should suffice. What are you, the morality police? First Knock Out, now this. --Detour 18:55, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

I can't wait for them to find the Kiss Player stuff! --abates 18:57, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

I believe I actually bolded the "not safe for work" part a few weeks ago due to similar concerns. --FFN 03:56, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

I have absolutely no way of saying this without incriminating myself, but the, erm, item in question is discontinued anyway. --King Starscream 14:50, 18 February 2013 (EST)

HOW Do We Work This?

So... Exiles/Aligned Nexus has a lot of Facets of his appearance, nature, components and all that DO NOT match up to the version we see in the Fun Pub stuff. I know we're keeping the Thirteen to the one page cause of the singularity stuff. (Even if that doesn't apply to Aligned). So my question is... Is everyone OK if I pull all the Fun Pub Specific stuff down from the opening to the appropriate fiction section and then add the Exiles stuff to that fiction section. That seems the way we'll have to go if we want to keep them one page AND want the opening bio to be universal and continuity non-specific which is what we shoot for. Yes?--76.28.76.206 15:10, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

I'm wondering if we need separate pages for (Prime) Clocker, Mainspring, Chaindrive, Pinion, and Cannonspring. I mean, Skyfall and friends had several years worth of Fun Pub stories to develop as individuals, not to mention their own toys / images that could fill up their pages. Nexus Prime's (Prime) components, though, only appeared in this single novel, as varying levels of background character, with little to no description of their appearances or even alt modes. Is there anything about them that couldn't just be contained in the Exiles fiction section, with some redirects? --Xaaron 16:20, 18 November 2011 (EST)

The individual components have their own names and they did things in fiction. I think they deserve their own pages. --ItsWalky 16:29, 18 November 2011 (EST)

Split

Nexus Prime from the pre-Aligned multiverse and Nexus Prime from Exiles are different characters and should have been split long ago. Just because it took us forever to concede that Alpha Trion needed to be split doesn't mean splitting Nexus Prime should be dragged out forever. -LV (talk) 10:43, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Where would IDW Nexus go in that case, though? He (obviously) couldn't go on the Aligned article, but yet he's also not a multiversal demi-god directly born to Primus. Jalaguy (talk) 11:33, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

The real answer is "then probably none of them are actually multiversal singularities and without Aaron in charge that will continue to be the case", but the softer, less-feelings-hurty version is "there are separate Nexus-Prime-the-singularity and Nexus-Prime-the-early-combiner-leader-guy" characters, much like there are two Megatrons in the G1 continuity, one from long before the other. -LV (talk) 12:01, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, this is most likely the best approach at this point. Although I would really hate to see this impact Unicron and Primus' articles too, mostly because they're concepts like Energon and the Matrix that exist throughout TF history. Escargon (talk) 12:07, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Yeah, in this post-Archer era, I'd be happy with splitting every member of the Thirteen by continuity family (as Alpha Trion is now), and just noting how the multiversal singularity thing used to be true. The only complication would be the ones like Nexus where their multiversal-ness was actually embraced in fiction and you couldn't easily say "this is the Nexus Prime from the ____ continuity family." Jalaguy (talk) 12:17, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

@Escargon: Not really. There are years before any of those bar energon showed up (note even the infamous scan of Optimus' internals in the pre-TFTM G1 cartoon that so clearly failed to show the Matrix), and there was the cartoon origin for the TFs that so clearly had no Primus, and an entirely unrelated origin for Unicron. Even energon was initially just the Decepticons fuel of choice in the cartoon that could be made from anything (Autobots didn't use it until TFTM, and had never heard of it at first! It was ages before any form of it showed up in the Marvel Comics, and even then it never became predominant). Everything else is retcon that tries to prevail some current idea over what was actually said at the time.

*is slightly surprised that, in that spirit, no-one tried to link energy crystals and energon crystals post-Beast Wars...* - SanityOrMadness (talk) 12:35, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Well, yeah, I know that, I was attempting to say in reference to that they're importance and relevance to the history of the brand has been mostly unchanged throughout their duration of it, beyond examples like the ones you mentioned. Unicron and Primus still have the same basic concept in Aligned as they do in most of everything else and it seems unecessary to me to split them. Hopefully that makes some kind of sense. Escargon (talk) 14:11, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Has they stayed the same any more than any other thing which Keeps Turning Up? - SanityOrMadness (talk) 15:04, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

I just want to say that with the exception of slightly problematic issue of Alpha Trion's inclusion, I see absolutely no conflict between the way the IDW Thirteen have been presented and their being the same ol' multiversal singularities. No, they are not presented as "multiversal demi-gods directly born to Primus," but that is no different than how any of the singularities are presented in stories that aren't about the multiverse. I see no reason not to think "this is what the Thirteen did when they came to this particular dimension." --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 14:18, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

"...with the exception of..." In other word, you do see a conflict. - SanityOrMadness (talk) 15:04, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Not in the overall presentation of IDW's 13, is the main point. Alpha Trion being a singularity yet somehow having a Shattered Glass counterpart is a Thing That Would Need Explaining Hint Hint FunPub Writers, but that's it --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:22, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

I hope Jim Sorenson is making notes of all this. Escargon (talk) 17:25, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Who's a whatsis now?--Jimsorenson (talk) 11:29, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

Escargon is the biggest fan (say that in Syndrome's voice) of the multiularity singuversal thing. To an extent that would be disturbing if focused on a real person... say, you ;) - SanityOrMadness (talk) 14:17, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

Indeed. I feel like the IDW 13, presenting a version of the "multiverse 13" that is so clearly drawn from the "Aligned 13" is more evidence than ever for not splitting them. - Chris McFeely (talk) 15:05, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

The "Aligned 13" are gods, the first Cybertronians. The IDW 13 are not - Alpha Trion explicitly rejects that the term applies to them - and are the third generation after the Guiding Hand and the Knights of Cybertron. Other than that, how is IDW Nexus any more similar to Club Nexus or Aligned Nexus than Optimus Prime A is from Optimus Prime B? - SanityOrMadness (talk) 15:47, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Seems like it would be more of a case of "Marvel Blaster vs. Sunbow Blaster" than anything to me. Escargon (talk) 15:57, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

Then at what point do we merge Every Optimus Prime Ever? (Because you know this is where it's heading. Remember the "one true Prime" bit where Optimus woke the Necrotitan?) - SanityOrMadness (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2014 (EDT)

I had originally categorized Nexus here as a Classics toy, mistakenly remembering Skyfall first showing up in an FP Classics comic. It was correctly pointed out to me that it was actually a Cybertron story. Regardless, Nexus Prime, in his combined form, first showed up in a Shattered Glass story. This talk page should be moved to that article and this one deleted. -- Shellspark (talk) 02:08, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

The carving—the first fictional indication of Nexus Prime—was in a Classics story. That's what I assumed you were working off. Either way, the history is on this page, so the (SG) one should be deleted and this moved over if we decide to do so. Mimi (talk) 02:11, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

Disambig parenthetical

Why's this at (SG)? Surely in the carving in the Classics comic is Nexus's first appearance? Yes, it's not an appearance of the actual guy, but, for instance, movie Sentinel Prime is at (ROTF) because his name was mentioned in ROTF. Is this not an analogous situation? I mean, the first storylink on the article is to the Classics comic, y'know? Jalaguy (talk) 05:30, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

Personally, I just feel an article with the SG parenthetical that ISN'T about a negative-polarity evil-universe version of someone is disingenuous and misleading. - Chris McFeely (talk) 06:40, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

And yeah, that too. Jalaguy (talk) 06:51, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

This should absolutely be at (Classics) or (Timelines). --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 08:20, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

I agree. There's enough justification to support either move, and Classics just makes more sense. Though I'm still not sure I understand why he needs more than one article, given the singularity thing.--Blackrock (talk) 09:52, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

Link

"How often does that happen?" should like to Orthia. Sonatronus, they new Galvatron (talk) 23:53, 11 April 2020 (EDT)

the sex jokes

so we all know that tfwiki likes to be a pg13 space, but nearly every single joke on this page relates to the fact his original name was a sex toy. is that all good? i mean i know other pages have sex jokes like erector, but that guy has actual other captions. sooooo what do we do? do we keep the sex jokes or find new jokes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by P.p. pie (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.