Talk:Energon

Hey, the BW entry says we never saw any Beast Warriors consuming it, but wasn't BW Megs hooked up to an IV of it while resting in the episode Transmutate? And was otherwise inferred a couple of times.

The Pure Energon/Element/Molecule thing is all from the Blackthorn TF in 3d #1, which is the closest 'scientific' look we've ever had at Energon. It takes place in an alternate version of Season 3.

When/If Energon's entry is expanded beyond a stub status, a notice qualifying this as not beign from mainline cartoon continuity is in order. -- Derik

Oh, good. I was just about to ask about that. I guess I'll go ahead and fix it up, then. --Steve-o 23:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a random thought I had, on Energon as it exists in the fiction as a reflection for the states of matter. Energy- normal energy- acts liek a gast insofar that it disperses. But energon- the most potent form of energy int he XXX... is a liquid- a more concentrated form of energy (and yes, ti has matter associated because you ened somethign to bind that up) whereas the big 'recent' fictive revolution is Energon weaspons- not jsut swords which pulse with raw energon or blades cut from it- but actual PHYSICAL WEAPONS, like guns, composed entirely of 'hard' solid energon. A 3rd phase of matter. (Energon weapons liek that, BTW, are suppsoed to pack 10-20 times the whallop of non-energon weapons.)

And given the general association of Primus with EWnergon and Sparks- is it possible that Sparks are a sort of... solid energon? They're nto HARD liek energy weapons, or liquid... but maybe some other energistic form of the same, liek a standing wave? (We have, at various points, been promised revelations abotu the special affinity of Energon and Transformers life-energy, mostly undelivered by the death of the Energon comic.)

...none of this really 'exists' anywhere in the fiction, I'm just tossing it out as mullable, it's the direction my thoughts are running in.-Derik 17:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there a conection between "Energy Crystals" and Energon

So I'm finally getting around to watching Season 2, and I'm noticing that the writers were apparently very found of the idea of Cristaline Energy as it pops up in many episodes such as "A Prime Problem" and "The God Gambit" yathink that perhaps this is the same stuff as the Natural Energon Crystals in Beast Wars?

In the world of fan-speculation, maybe. Not anything that belongs here, though. --ItsWalky 06:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Rarified Energon it's own entry?

The newest issue of the club magazine introduces the concept of Rarified Energon wich is apparently the TRUE and PURE form of energon and is what both all sparks and all Transformer bodies (!) are made out of. Should that be adapted into this article do you think? Or should Rarified Energon get it's own entry? --ZacWilliam 00:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

At this point I'd say it should simply be added to the current article, although how exactly to wedge it in without mucking up the continuity boundaries escapes me right now. --Steve-o 06:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Marvel Comics

I suggest an entry for Marvel Comics. I know energon didn't play a big role (I'm not sure if there was any energon at all). The entry could say something like: "Energon did not exist in the Marvel Universe, they used modified gasoline and other stuff instead." I'm not familiar with all Marvel stories, so I checked this entry for more information and there really isn't anything here. - Starfield 17:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Energon cubes appeared starting with #14. While the role was undeniably smaller and less central- it definitely exists in the Marvel Comics. -Derik 17:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposing move

There's liek 18 bazillion things named Energon ___. Including a franchise. And the Energon in the franchise not only isn't G1 Energon, it cannot be. Energon in the Energon 'toon is an element. A specific and rare substance with wacky magic powers. In G1 it's alien gasoline, and you can make it out of anything, even sound. We do a dis-service to both subjects by trying to cram them into one article.

Energon should direct to Energon (disambiguation) and all existing links to Energon be redirected to Energon (fuel) by 'bot procedure. For/Against? -Derik 19:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

He's got a point. And lots of those meet the notability requirements, so we should probably go ahead and move. -- SFH 20:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, Jesus. I can see another week-long disambiguation project coming along. But yes, move it. Jeep! 20:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Nah, we've got a 'bot that can change all the links to Energon at once. So the only links that will be broken would be... the ones that meant to link to the Candy-type.

Uh... what would we call the Magic Candy? Energon (Energon)? That even more redundant than Moon (moon).

If you want o put off a decision, I've been collecting note on the candy thing to hopefully bash into a coherent whole when i finish smashing my way through the series... -Derik 03:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

"Conceptual history" section

This is a mess - BW presented Energon as a mineral, not an element, and the G1 cartoon's presentation of energon as a fuel made by concentrating other fuels makes it pretty much impossible for it to be an element. - SanityOrMadness 10:30, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

• waves hand* "Mineral", "element", potayto, potahto... - Chris McFeely 10:34, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Beast Wars most certainly did present energon as an element. Megatron, first episode: "What does it matter which planet we're on? We came looking for energon, and this planet is rich with the element." --KilMichaelMcC 10:37, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

Essence of Primus?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd always thought that oil, and presumably the energon made from it was derived from dead plants, not alien gods. -unknown guy.

Oil can be processed into energon or an energon substitute (depending on the continuity) but naturally occuring Energon is the "essence of Primus" and the stuff that all TF life is made from. Yes it's a retcon, but it only doesn't work if you're being purposely contrary about it. --76.28.76.206 11:29, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

Move to plain old 'Energon'?

First, congratulations to Chris McFeely on all his work expanding this most essential of Transformer topics, this has to be November's featured article. Does anyone feel this article can drop the (fuel) disambiguation though, or should Energon redirect here? Alientraveller 11:24, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

It still has to disambiguate with Energon (franchise) surely. --abates 15:41, 3 October 2010 (EDT)