User talk:Derik/Archive

Hey, Derik -- about the audio adventures you asked about last week... maybe? Or, yeah. Looks like yes: Bumblebee to the Rescue, Espionage, Menace at the Dam, and Terror of Mount Sheelah. I just suck at keeping websites updated. You know the feeling, I think. But anyway, I have them already, thanks.  :)

--Steve-o 01:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh... a spoiler template, aside from Template:Spoiler?

--Steve-o 04:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Arbitron's continutiy is: medium-complicated.

Country: US / UK (countries he's appeared in in some capacity, if it jumps the english/japanese border it's just 'international')

Range:

• Generation 1: Marvel: UK (first appearance)
• Generation 1: Blackthorne: #4 (flashack)
• Robots in Disguise (mention)
• Beast Era: Beast Wars: Wreckers
• Generation 1: Dreamwave: MtMtE (mention)

Note: Arbitron's deal with Megatron takes place in many different continuities. Wreckers #4 is his only appearance after these events.

"Continuity is for beginners." -Scott Page Pageter

The problem with that chart is that it tells you so very little that the italicized intro and the table of contents at the beginning of a page don't already. After all, the table of contents tells you specifically which fiction stuff he's been in at a glance. There's absolutely no need to tell that information twice. --ItsWalky 04:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Arbitron's habitat/ambit

Country: US / UK
First Appearance: Marvel UK

Ambit: Arbitron's deal with Megatron is referenced in many continuities. Wreckers #4 is his only other signifigant appearance.

"Continuity is for beginners." -Scott Page Pageter

I've already been arranging the first fictional appearance of a character first in the list of fictions. (With the exception of Unicron, of course, who's a living ongoing retcon.) So I'm not sure how needed the "showed up first" thinger would be. Alpha Trion shows up first in the cartoon, thus "Animated continuity" is his first fiction section. --ItsWalky 05:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

*shrug* I happen to think the absolute mass of continutiy listings for characters, often containing the most minor refs, is... frankly bad. I further feel it handles the splintered nature of tf badly.

But then, I think Robotmasters shoudl be a sub-section of Generation 1, because it's set in G1, not its own side-thing. In short- I think the arrangement of the continuities has meanings, and this 'puttign the first appearance first' can, potentially anihilate those meanings.

What i liked about muy first pass at this was that it had a continuity drilldown. Generation 1 :: Marvel :: US That's a clear hierarchy.

We're inconsistent about hierarchy. I see characters listed as 'Dreamwave Comics Continuity,' with no parentign hierarchy. (I construe G1 from the italics at the top.) Dreamwave published in 6 distinct continuities.

Generation 1 => Cartoon => Redemption Center (Starscrem's amnesiac adventure)

Generation 1 => Cartoon => RobotMasters - (Air Hunter)

Generation 1 => Cartoon => Rebirth => Blackthorne #3 - (The Destructons or whatever...)

Beast Era: => Beast Wars Cartoon => Expanded Continuity :: Wreckers - (Fractly)

Beast Era: => Beast Wars Cartoon => Expanded Continuity :: IDW - (LioConvoy)

Beast Era: => Beast Wars Cartoon => Expanded Continuity :: RobotMasters - (Psycho Orb's continuity of origin)

Beast Era: => Pre-Beast Wars => Dreamwave - (Megatron's rename)

Beast Era: => Pre-Beast Wars => Timelines - (MasterColelctor's theft of the disk)

Beast Era: => Pre-Beast Wars => Wreckers - (Cryotek is the crimelord who organized the theft)

Generation 1 => Toyline => Action Master Boxback - (Where Axer started from)

Robots in Disguise => Expanded Universe - (Where he ended up)

Generation 1 => Toyline => Action Master Boxback - (Nucleon Quest Super Convoy)

Generation 1 => Joe Crossovers => TF/Joe Comic - (Nathaniel appears)

Generation 1 => Dreamwave - (Nathaniel mentioned)

This is a really stupid system. But it has a real advantage vs listing '3H Continuity' followed by 'MasterCollector Continuity.' Here you csn see- "They're both expanded continuities that consider the cartoon cannon for how they operate- but they diverge from that point and do not overlap."

What I'm gettign to is- hierarchy is important. Hierarchy conveys information.

And TF's continuity hierarchy is really, really wierd. NQSC.

/Generation 1/JG1/Post-Battlestars/../../Toyline/ Action Master Boxback

...guh!

Dont' tell me I'm overthinking it. I KNOW I'm overthinking it for this- but since TF is clearly hierachical in nature, I'm still gonna fight single-suffixing, because it fails to convey hierarchy. ^_^ -Derik 06:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't all this be better served via information within the articles expressly ABOUT the fictions and continuities THEMSELVES, perhaps with a flowchart of the variety presented in the Fun Pulications magazine, than creating some horrible crushing mess in every single character article where such matters frankly are not RELEVANT and creating a massive hidous arbitrary disorganiztion system? --M Sipher 06:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I SAID this was a bad system!

I still don't think appending series to the end of article title sis a good one either. -Derik 12:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I see characters listed as 'Dreamwave Comics Continuity,' with no parentign hierarchy. (I construe G1 from the italics at the top.)

....yeah. I know. That construing is the point. There's absolutely no reason to specify that it's Generation 1 animated continuity if the top of the page specifically says he's in the G1 continuity. That's why it's done that way. --ItsWalky 15:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Communicating with other users

For the love of God, use the user talk pages the next time you want to tell another user something. I've already said Spengler on his talk page about image copyrights. This is a better method than expecting other users to look at Recent changes and see you screaming your lungs out over something they didn't know. Singularity 06:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Guess you used it already. Never mind, then. Singularity 06:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I would consider that 'patiently explaining point by point.' The flat rock bit is a running gag.

And yes, I could just put it on his user talk page- but I had to adjust all those images anyway- so why not amuse myself with the memo field? Otherwise they'd all jsut read 'copyright'.

Er- consider me duly chastised. I'll be nicer. -Derik 06:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

You seemed pretty agitated, and I felt sorry for Spengler. If you were just having fun, sorry for the misunderstanding. Singularity 06:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Giving absolutely no tells by which someone listening to me could discern if I was joking is an annoying habit I picked up from one of my ex-supervisors.

I eventually realised that he thought people's deer-in-the-headlight responses to his dead-serious black-humored treatment of them was hilarious. I got tired or guessing and just never took him seriously.

He fired me. Nice guy. (I mean that last bit seriously, he's a great guy. GREAT sense of humor. Not so much fun to be on the recieving end.) -Derik 07:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Image copyrights

Ah'm gittin' to it, boy! Just getting the article up first! :) - Chris McFeely 21:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

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