Talk:Star Wars (franchise)

Why are we assuming that the SW guys are TF-sized? Scale's pretty fucked up in Attacktix, considering we have Mini-Cons about as big as Super Mode Optimus... as is TIME, since you've got guys from all eras of SW-dom involved. The whole "these guys are TF sized" is massive fannon that I don't think has any place in here. --M Sipher 05:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Because in the absense of contradicting evidence, why should we assume otherwise? Assuming the SW humans are actually very small seems to be as much of a fan assumption. There are TF-sized humans in the TF universe. Plenty of them. --ItsWalky 14:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I would argue that an "assumption" either way would be unwarrented, unless one wants to posit a) those pilots are not actually the Star Wars characters they seem intended to represent, or b) humans in the Star Wars universe are not the same size as Earth humans, I don't think Walky's got a very strong case. You need evidence to make statements like that. I vote to eliminate the scale passage.--G.B. Blackrock 15:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, the main bugbear about the heights of the SW guys is that canon SW material has official heights and weights listed, and if Darth Vader is two meters tall, then clearly, either he grew or the TFs shrunk when they hung out. -hx 16:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

But for the purposes of this Wiki, we are not considering non-TF material. See Spider-Man's page. --ItsWalky 16:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Which doesn't make up anything about Spider-Man that is contradictroy to the actual material, just jokingly omits anything ghtat is not directly relevant to his time spent with the Transformers. That's different. And the scale issue, as previously noted, is ALREADY shaky at best since all the TRANSFORMERS save Omega Supreme and Sentinel end up the same size. --M Sipher 19:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Spider-Man's entry does suggest his powers may come from his suit, which is the only logical conclusion we can gather from his single appearance, since the radioactive spider was never mentioned, and, hey, he has this suit. Likewise, since all the Attacktix material has Darth Vader attacking a similarly-sized Optimus Prime, that's not exactly an erroneous assumption. --ItsWalky 14:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought black-costume Spider-Man's whole GIG was "awesome super suit that did super shit". Before it went Venom. --M Sipher 23:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but he still had the proportionate strength of a spider and the ability to climb up walls. If the suit had those powers, it got them from him. --ItsWalky 00:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there even any necessary reason why the SW TFs and the SW/TF Attacktix figures are the same continuity as each other?--G.B. Blackrock 21:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's this big set that includes characters from both franchises, with art of them fighting each other, and it says they fight each other, and you're supposed to make them fight each other. --ItsWalky 21:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm well aware of that, but that doesn't really answer my question.... For example, if the TF Attacktix ultimately includes, say, G1 characters, instead of just UT continuity TFs (an assumption, I know), that would be a fairly strong argument against considering such toys to be linked in continuity with the toy franchises from which they came, since G1 and UT are already considered separate.

In any event, I'm with Siph on this one. Scale is a hairy issue within each franchise as it is (indeed, always has been). I see no reason for making the assumption that SW humans (non-Attacktix, especially) are on TF scale on the basis of Attacktix figures which, admittedly, do fight each other hand to hand as if the humans were on such scale. It certainly looks to me like TF Attacktix won't fit in continuity even with the UT scale TFs themselves.--G.B. Blackrock 22:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the existance of Star Wars Transformers (should) override this question of scale. And yes- Iw ant a Star Wars/TF comic. Let Star Wars/TF be the result of a UT crossover for once! GO NUTS. I want TF to be insane. er. -Derik 00:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, about those Star Wars TFs.... You realize, of course, that if we do accept that SW humans are TF sized, the SW Mecha of those Star Wars TF toys would represent HUGE TFs (along the lines of Don Figueroa's Macromasters).--G.B. Blackrock 13:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought that'd be pretty neat. --ItsWalky 14:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Be that as it may, it represents an unsubstantiated assumption about SW humans in general. The most we can say is that this is true within "Attacktix" continuity....--G.B. Blackrock 18:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

What's the relative scale RF/human on the art of them fighting one another? -Derik 21:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

It's been repeatedly established, at least throughout the G1 continuities, that most humanoid species are Transformer-sized. Furthermore, every piece of evidence points to the Star Wars characters being the same size as Transformers. I think it's pretty clear cut.

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