Talk:Hauler

I removed the part about Hauler's appearance beign a retcon (instead saying his backstory had been established many years after the fact.)

Hauler's appearance is not a retcon. He was there. He was NAMED. That's Hauler. The explanationf or his later conspicuious absence is a retcon- Hauler's presence is cannon for MtMtE.

(You might argue it's a recton in Japan, but this wiki is english-centric) -Derik 15:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Can somebody explain why Derik's revision and page move were reverted? Derik explained what he was doing here on the talk page and in the edit summaries, but then his work was undone by an anonymous editor and Singularity, neither of whom said anything about why. --Steve-o 04:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I was looking into this the other day- tryignt o find substantiation to object- but I cant' find a decent source ot cite that he was called Hauler, not Load Hauler. (In fact, I found one post by someone stating the opposite.) It's POSSIBLE I'm totally misremembering, sicne it was a private conversation (whose 2nd party I no longer recall) that corrected me "no, it's Hauler ont he final package." I just filed the fact and never gave it a second thought.

Even if I am misinformed abotu Hauler's name, the bit about hsi presence not being (strictly) a retcon should be put back.

(I was kinda staying quiet hopign someoen more intimately familiar with the subject would step forward to clarify- all I knwo is froms econd-hand sources. I can't read Japanese.)-Derik 05:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

• If you're talking about his name on the final package of the eHobby Exclusive, I can assure you it reads "Load Hauler", if that helps in any way. --DrSpengler 05:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Helps, yes. Validates? No.

Grr, I wish I knwo who told me that, I'd surely give him/her a piece of my mind! -Derik 05:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

According to the Inferno/Grapple section of the Transformers Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide, his name is romanized as "Roadhauler".

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I will certainly grant that Japanese guidebooks are not the best source for English names. However, having just spot-checked every other English name in the book, I can find no errors of this variety. As well, I currently can't find any posts by Doug Dlin which relate Hauler's "new" name one way or the other... someone may want to contact him about this. --Monzo 05:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

IIRc, fromt he original discussions, the romanization could go either way. (I cant' remember is goign with Load instead or Road was from Ichikawa-kun or not.) Regardless- official romanization v. unofficial. -Derik 05:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Feel free to kip/edit that Complete Guide scan and the Hauler pics from the Obscure TF site for this profile, by the way. --Monzo 06:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Pretransformer?

How is Hauler a pre-Transformer? He didn't exist until the first episode of Transformers! --ItsWalky 22:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

I was thinking that "Hauler" is a Diaclone toy character that didn't have a Transformers toy release. At least until many years later. - Starfield 23:00, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

...there is nothing to suggest that. --ItsWalky 00:03, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Name of article

I don't immediately understand why this article isn't called "Hauler." The exclusive toy is more prominent than his brief cartoon appearance?
Very odd fact: his toy bio text calls him "Hauler," at least TFU.info's translation of it. What's up with that? (edit: it does seem to be just the translation). - Starfield 22:09, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

Move to Hauler proposal

I propose a move to Hauler: "RoadHauler" is the romanization of the Japanese name of a Japanese toy. "Hauler" is the name in English fiction. I believe the wiki always goes with the English name for the character when available. - Starfield 00:33, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

I have no opinion on this matter. I think the cartoon should dominate... unless "Hauler" was just Cliffjunper colloquially shortening his full name. It really comes down to whether you regard the Japanese name as a different one or the same. -Derik 00:38, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

We do have Beast Changer's article at "Noble," despite his toy name. So if that's our precedent, then fiction should prevail. --ItsWalky 00:42, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

There is also Grip-Lock who is "Grip-Lock" in English fiction and his only toy is "Clamp". - Starfield 01:37, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Throw me in for "Hauler". —Interrobang 01:40, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm all for Western name first or most prominent identity first, but I don't view either applicable to this case. Unless the Japanese dub of MTMTE didn't call the guy "Hauler", I'm more inclined to view "Hauler" as a shortened version-nickname for Roadhauler, in which case Roadhauler should stay the article's title. I'm against the move unless Hauler wasn't/isn't Hauler in Japan. Geewunling 02:08, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

He was Grapple in Japan. The E-Bobby toy surprised a lto of japanese fans unaware that this guy got a different name in the US.

So RoadHauler is supposed to "represent" his American name. -Derik 02:21, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

E-Bobby sounds funny. ^^ But in that case, I'm withdrawing my objection. I'm not in favour of it still, but the wiki's policy is clear on this matter. Geewunling 02:29, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm not sure where policy lies though-- why isn't he just called "Hauler?" Did that not clear Japanese copyright? Or is he RoadHauler just because that sounds more like a proper TF name? -Derik 03:24, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Trivia Star War reference

The profile for Hauler seems to make a cute little reference to Star Wars, calling his Cybertronian form a "Binary Load Lifter", which is a reference to the machines C-3P0 used to program. 71.238.50.144 12:40, 2 January 2012 (EST)