Talk:Prima

Is Prima pronounced 'Prime-uh' or 'Preem-ah'? -69.88.91.218 20:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I doubt there any official sources on pronunciation for this, but I'd go with "Prime-uh" given the general "Primus" connection from which this name is obviously derived.--G.B. Blackrock 20:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh, I think Prima was the FIRST Matrix-bearer, according to the Creation Matrix. I don't think Primus counts as one. He's listed first because he IS the Matrix. --ItsWalky 21:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

So it is! I was thinking Primon came first.

Primon is only ever mentioned in the Omega Point BotCon fiction. We're not really sure what his deal is, compared to Prima. --ItsWalky 21:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm feeling entirely too lazy to think up how to integrate it into the existing text, but it'd be important to mention that DK's "Ultimate Guide" book specifically states that Prima was the first Transformer of 'em all, accompanied by the panel from the G2 comic that showed the first TF emerging. - Chris McFeely 21:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Aaaand, I see Derik's made that point already elsewhere. - Chris McFeely 21:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Cartoon

I don't see how the bot previously known as "Powerful Robot" can be the first Transformer. He was a pre-Transformer for one thing, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt that "the first Transformer" doesn't literally mean he could transform. But, as the article says, he "was created from the corpse of another robot" so he was created late in the game. By Quintessons. Unless it was actually the guy who was recycled into "Powerful Robot" who was Prima. In which case, his entry has to be changed to make that clear. - Starfield 02:26, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

Powerful Robot being Prima makes no damn sense at all. We see his creation, on screen, and it sure as hell wasn't as one of the original 13 Primus made way back before any Quintessons were around. --KilMichaelMcC 16:29, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

The G1 cartoon not aligning with later retcons is not a new thing. —Interrobang 16:32, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

I also really hate after-the-fact presumptions and limitations on what prehistoric TFs actually could do / were doing, and like to minimize them as much as possible. Prima was there now? Well, if you say so. Since he was all godly and shit, let's say he was on the astral plane guiding the construction of what would turn out to be his body--so it SEEMED like he was being built, but he really wasn't. This can explain the sequencing too. I don't enjoy bullshit-fu, but it is a defensive martial art. --Thylacine 2000 16:46, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

That is some interesting fanon there, but FFoD tells us/shows us that "Powerful Robot" was recycled from "generic assembly line guy". That isn't an after the fact presumption, it is what happened. - Starfield 16:59, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

There's nothing stopping them from coming up with an explanation along the lines of "this dude was imbued with Prima's essence after being recycled". But we're getting off on a tangent. Regardless of how little sense it may make, canon says it's Prima, so here we go. —Interrobang 17:11, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

This is a very specific G1 cartoon retcon. I thought maybe there was some logic to it I wasn't seeing. Like maybe Prima was the guy pulled off the assembly line and his essence somehow survived being recycled or something. I guess not. - Starfield 16:59, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

The point is, when you involve divinities, you can handwave away any contradiction as divine intervention and they just have to lie there and take it. His essence was involved SOMEWHERE to keep the sequencing intact. It's "fanon," but since all of the story material depicting Prima as the 1st TF can't go around contradicting itself with him being the 2nd, there is going to have to be SOME response to it on the part of the reader, be it in terms of ignoring it utterly or some form of bullshit-fu. You know where I stand. And no, of course none of that goes in the articles. --Thylacine 2000 17:14, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

I did not know Prima was a "divinity". For a guy created by the Quintessons from a different dead guy then soon after effortlessly shot dead by Quintessons, I think "divinity" might be stretching it. Where exactly was he depicted as godly anyway? - Starfield 16:11, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

Have you read Forest Lee's multiversal explanation thing about The Fallen? The Thirteen are pretty much demigods. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.71.105.23 (talk • contribs) 15:35, July 11, 2010 (EDT).

Yes, I read that. I don't really know what to make of it. It is canon, I guess, but it hasn't actually happened (in fiction), as far as I know. People seem fond of saying that it is "bullshit-fu". Maybe it is just straight up bullshit. - Starfield 16:55, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

The eventual story of Prima, as sketched out at BC10, will reveal him to have been an "epic warrior of light" "like a Greek god", whose sword hilt has a little gem on it that gets used as the Matrix of Leadership--and based on how big Optimus Prime's chest is compared to the sword, Prima would be ~500 feet tall. If something that cosmic is supposed to be reconciled with "little dinky nobody who rolled off an assembly line in a completely different time period," then sure, he did some magic ghost woowoo. Again, it wouldn't go into the article, especially if, y'know, it's never actually published or said. But, again, people have to intellectually reconcile the notions somehow. --Thylacine 2000 22:20, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

Optimus Prime's ancestor

I only know it has been confirmed that Optimus Prime's ancestor has bee assigned to Prima. But I think we need to write down a source in Note section just like how we mention AllSpark Almanac II declared "Powerful Robot" is Prima via an Ask Vector Prime entry. --TX55^TALK 03:44, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

Recordicons nullification

Apparently a Recordicons strip featured a Cybertronix declaration that Vector Prime was lying about FFOD. Stamped and licensed and published. Since the G1 retcons of the 13 were just a bad in-joke from the onset, I'm fine with seeing another in-joke obliterate it. Seriously. Does anyone else want to see the character concepts separated again? --Thylacine 2000 10:03, 3 March 2012 (EST)

The strip only said that Vector Prime "lies". Nothing specific. Why are we taking the news ticker as more truthful than Vector Prime? And only one of them was one of the Thirteen. All of the others were just aligned with preexisting Prime names, which are always going to be better than "Brooding Robot" or "New Narrator". —Interrobang 10:13, 3 March 2012 (EST)

Nitpicking

Since the comic design is no longer Prima's official design shouldn't the Aligned one be up there instead? - Kohu

I don't see why. Just because it's more recent doesn't mean it's more valid, I don't see G1 Optimus Prime's mainpic being in his new IDW Cybertronic form. The current pic shows him being, quite literally, the first Autobot. --Detour 16:57, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

With the Thirteen, there isn't really a "No longer their official design" factor. They look different in various universes.--Rosicrucian^Talk 17:23, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

I vote not to change with the reason mentioned by above. --TX55^TALK 20:23, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

Despite past canon I believe Hasbro's official stance is that Aligned is not part of the Multiverse which technically means Aligned Primus is not this guy and should have his own page anyway.--76.28.76.206 17:38, 20 March 2012 (EDT)

I think they overstated it or people have over interpreted it. Hasbro still considers the Prime characters as being the same (in some way) as the previous multiverse characters, as demonstrated by the Hall of Fame bios including data from Prime alongside data from other continuities. --Khajidha 10:44, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

What they said was that anything established about previous versions of the characters will not be held as binding or true in the Aligned universe, including established "singularities" in that. Since the whole point of singularities is that their being is the same individual everywhere in the multiverse, saying that they are not so in Aligned kinda breaks connection to the multiverse. Now we could easily timely-wimpy up some be pseudo physics that patches that up, but until someone does it in canon I think their fairly officially seperate.--76.28.76.206 13:20, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

This has been discussed before, mostly re: Alpha Trion. What it comes down to is "nobody has gotten around to separating the Aligned versions of the Thirteen out, either because it's too much work or because they don't want to get yelled at the whole time they're doing it". -LV, not logged in