Talk:Matrix holder
Where is the word "matrix holder" found in fiction? The footnotes erroneously suggest they lead to places in which this term is used. This article is otherwise superfluous. That the Matrix holder isn't part of the Matrix itself is fanon born from an obtuse reading of canon. --ItsWalky 22:32, 23 November 2012 (EST)
- "I had assumed it would be a simple matter of contacting you—the Guardian of the Matrix Holder—and bringing you here, to Cybertron." Emirate Xaaron to Optimus Prime, (emphasis original) Bird of Prey! - Starfield 22:37, 23 November 2012 (EST)
- And why does this deserve its on article, when the Creation Matrix itself is incorporated into the Matrix of Leadership article, despite the two related concepts differing in many incompatible ways, and harmonized only in later material? "It's in a holder" somewhere on that page would cover everything here. --ItsWalky 22:45, 23 November 2012 (EST)
- I think a separate article clarifies things. On the Matrix (disambiguation) page there can now be a listing for "The Matrix should not be confused with the Matrix holder." The Matrix article already does say in two places that the Creation Matrix is encoded in the crystals of the physical object's core. It kind of gets lost in the whole "conceptual history" thing as if the Matrix in comic was patched up to make it match what every fan thinks of when they think of "the Matrix." It wasn't exactly. What do you mean by "the Matrix holder isn't part of the Matrix itself is fanon"? - Starfield 23:24, 23 November 2012 (EST)
- (If I recall, DW MTMTE calls out the Creation Matrix as a distinct part of the Matrix of Leadership, yet it doesn't get its own article. It is retconned to have all been the same object.) --ItsWalky 22:52, 23 November 2012 (EST)
- And why does this deserve its on article, when the Creation Matrix itself is incorporated into the Matrix of Leadership article, despite the two related concepts differing in many incompatible ways, and harmonized only in later material? "It's in a holder" somewhere on that page would cover everything here. --ItsWalky 22:45, 23 November 2012 (EST)
I can't conjure a scenario in which anyone would reasonably want to read about this separately from the article on the Matrix itself. I likewise can't envision a situation in which another article would ever need to link to this one for further explanation. This fails the wiki test, I'd say.--RosicrucianTalk 22:58, 23 November 2012 (EST)
- I didn't know trying to gauge what people are likely to read or click to was part of the wiki test. I thought it was more like if there is an item that exists that has information about it, it can have an article. - Starfield 23:24, 23 November 2012 (EST)
Optimus referring to "the shell of the Matrix" in The Rebirth, Part 2 holds more weight to this article than what's already on this article, and even that was just in reference to the Matrix itself while in its empty state. I concur with this article being unnecessary. --Sabrblade 23:18, 23 November 2012 (EST)
