Talk:Dion (G1)

Who is Dion? section

Just wondering if the "Who is Dion?" bit isn't a bit too speculative? Really this should be a tiny footnote about the references to his origins. Sure, it's nice to note about the fan speculation -- but should it take up the bulk of the entry? I also the question of putting "Who is Dion" links on other character's pages considering there's no concrete links between these characters and Dion -- other than wishful thinking by fans. ---JHIAXUS.

I think the article is fine as it is. Fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. --KilMichaelMcC 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. The Dion debate is too significant to the fandom (enough that Dreamwave's comics and the RID cartoon gave it lipservice) to ignore. --ItsWalky 22:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or does Dion's color scheme and vehicle mode remind anyone else of Huffer? -- Hunter-113 00:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Huffer? Really?

I'll bow to others if they think so, but I really question Huffer belonging in the "who is" section. Magnus and Ironhide have been cannadates argued over since the internet was a yong trasnsistor, but I've never heard anyone suggest Huffer before. Sure, there's the color scheme likeness but that's all I see. Is there REALLY any argument to keep him in there?--ZacWilliam 02:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I buy it even LESS than I buy Ironhide or Magnus being Dion... and I don't think either damn one of them was ever Dion. This is the first time I've ever heard this little piece of badly-argued fanon. --M Sipher 02:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Of course not. But this article isn't constructed along sane lines. You could have Ultra Magnus walk up and say "Prime, you were my good friend Orion Pax when I was Dion<ref>In the episode War Dawn. - Referential Simon</ref>, and I have to speak with you!" and people would still argue that this statement can't be applied to cartoon continuity. They're attached to Ironhide in their personal continuity.

Maybe the footnote would persuade them... but I doubt it. -Derik 02:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

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That's three votes for "No Huffer," one more and I say he goes. (Not that it's particularly relevant but I'm a Magnus man myself. I'm sure the writers didn't imntend it, but who cares about that? It makes sense to me and fits the universe and the characters and, to me atleast, it just feels right. But eh, to each his own.)--ZacWilliam 02:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, the entire "Who is Dion?" section is ridiculous and should be trimmed down to consist only of the first two sentences, perhaps with the third tagged on (but with Huffer reverted out of the list). Spending even a second paragraph on the idea that Dion must be somebody important is way more than the idea deserves. --Steve-o 03:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

What? Even the stuff about how Dion/Ultra Magnus stuff was brought up again in Robots in Disguise and the Dreamwave comics? Whether the idea of Dion being somebody important is stupid or not, we can't really ignore that it's been brought up, officially, over and over. --ItsWalky 04:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, actually, I forgot those parts. Basically I want to minimize all speculation to as few sentences as possible. Making arguments for and against particular candidates strikes me as silly. However, I will admit that I am probably biased on this since the whole "Dion must be somebody" thing is a pet peeve of mine. On the other hand, everybody making a case for him being somebody is obviously biased, too. If there's anybody out there who considers themselves neutral on the whole thing, maybe they should be the one to do the revision. --Steve-o 16:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm for Dion not being anybody and being dead, and I wrote the original section. --ItsWalky 17:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, only with more profanity. --M Sipher 03:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I restructured the section to downplay Huffer a bit. I suppose the whole thing could stand to be reduced a bit, but as I said above some months back: fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. So I have no real problem with the article reflecting that. --KilMichaelMcC 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I can live with the downplay of Huffer since he isn;t brought up as much as the other two. I also argee that the speculation of Dion's identity is pretty much the only thing that makes the character worth talking about. -- 69.182.245.28 03:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason I put Huffer in the article is because it seems to make to the most sense. From the discussion above I'm not the only one that noticed a similarity. Personally, I think Dion is kind of a loser that should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Ultra Magnus or Ironhide. On the other hand I don't feel the same about the Huffer connection. If the whole "Who is" section must go than so be it, I just thought since it was here it made sense to include Huffer as well. Just give it a some time, maybe a week, before deleting just the Huffer part so more than 3-4 users can comment. -- 69.182.245.28 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that you edited the section to say that Huffer is one of the most popular suggestions for who Dion allegedly was, despite it being something that you just decided right now made the most sense. Bad anonymous editor! --ItsWalky 03:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

My Bad -- 69.182.245.28 04:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

A note on the link

to JHIAXUS' site. I think JHIAXUS is being disengenuous in asserting that it's certain Dion is dead. I'm saying it's certain that he's not either- it's possible that he had died in the time Alpha Trion was rebuilding Orion Pax (though Ariel lived), but the Arielbots make repeated references to fixing Orion's friends (plural), even though they only mention Ariel by name. Slingshot: "We've got to find someone who can repair him, and his friends!" Air Raid: "He's not the only one: there are others back at the hanger- his girlfriend Ariel!"

Watch for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt7W2IA7kKI —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Molybdenumtop (talk • contribs){{#if:17:14, 3 October 2007| 17:14, 3 October 2007|}}.

Colors

I removed the "Dion and Huffer share colors" speculation on the basis that Huffer is lavender and Dion is bright blue, which are not the same color. As well, the "Alpha Trion/Elita One commando" that was previously mentioned in that section was identified as a female Transformer in the episode cast list - and was also lavender and orange, not blue. -- Monzo 18:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Whoops!

Sorry about the Wheelie speculation, I did not realise humor wasn't allowed here. I was under the impression that it was, for some reason. Or perhaps it is, but only for the inner circle jerk of wankers.

Really- what is this wiki about? Are you going for standards? If so, get out the watering can, because half the garbage on here is POV/speculation and wouldn't last 5 minutes on Wikipedia. Anyway, here were my additions (in quotes):

"Dion and Wheelie share an almost exact toy design, one being a repaint of the other. In this continuity, Alpha Trion was exhausted after building Optimus, Elita, and all the other robots in his shop that had been "pouring in since this morning." So, he cut a lot of corners... a lot of corners. Ironically, Optimus would not see his old friend until shortly after being brought back from death himself in 2006. (Optimus: "Who the f**k is this Autobot? Wheelie: "Wheelie's my name. Wanna play a game?" Optimus: "No!")"

(Ultra Magnus is a popular suggestion because his cab turns into a white version of the original Optimus Prime body design, and) "their alternate forms on Earth are also similar, suggesting that they were of the same "mold" (as indeed their toy models were.) It" would stand to reason that if Alpha Trion rebuilt both of them at roughly the same time they would have similar designs. More, Optimus specifically calls Magnus "old friend" when he passes the Matrix of Leadership to him. (Though, really, Prime calls everybody that.) To many, Ultra Magnus, being a large powerful character with a latinate name in a leadership role, just seems a fitting completion to a potential triumverate of Optimus, Elita, and Magnus as the first modern Autobots built by Alpha Trion. "Also noteworthy is the upgrade in characterisation in each case, from giggly teenagers to noble leaders. Post-G1 writers may have tended towards this continuity because due to nothing more than coincidence, it makes more sense in every meaningful way."

Other than the last sentence, what is so ojectionable, or out of character with the rest of the paragraph? The whole paragraph is speulation. The whole article's focus is speculative. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Molybdenumtop (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

1) You quote a Youtube video and present it as if it were canon. This is horribly misleading.

2) "Who is Dion?" is a very popular debate amongst Transformers fans, so much that it's been addressed in later canon. The debate consisted of a few very popular answers, which we present. Ironhide and Ultra Magnus (and to a much, much smaller extent, Huffer) are the hotly contested candidates for Dion, one of which has been hinted at, again, as I said, in later canon.

3) Your random, joking suggestion of Wheelie has nothing to do with the context of this article. We are not making up things whole cloth right here to "answer" this debate. This article only reports what fandom thinks and why.

--ItsWalky 21:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Let's address your arguments, even though they don't address mine:

1) the video I quoted was the G1 episode War Dawn. These quotes were from that show. (Do you understand?) If not, watch the clip, noting the quotes I've pointed out, then click on the link to J's site (the only external link on the Dion page,) compare his version of War Dawn to the one you just saw, and tell me who's being "horribly misleading."

2) Obviously- do you think I would disagree? I was under the impression that I was contributing to that, in making further arguments for why it might be Ultra Magnus. Is it not a valid point that Magnus's personality is more similar to Prime's and Elita's then Ironhide's? Does speculation have a place in this article? Some people seem to think so, some people think not, and others think only their point of view should matter.

3) Fine... yes, I got a little carried away, I still thought it was funny.

Sentinel Prime

What does everyone think of Sentinel Prime = Dion? In Animated we now have the "old trio" of Optimus, Elita-1 and Sentinel. Substitute Orion Pax for Optimus and Ariel for Elita and you're left with...Sentinel = Dion. He also has a similar color scheme: blue with yellow/orange highlights. --Xaaron 19:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I think people should stop desperately fishing for imagined patterns to explain irellevent things that do not need explaining. --M Sipher 19:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought that was the point of this page. I mean, there's a Huffer reference. --Xaaron 19:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Is this a good time to ask if anybody minds removing Huffer from the list? The only person I've ever heard with that theory was the anonymous editor from further up the talk page and I've become more and more disdainful of it every time I've seen the article since then. --Steve-o 20:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Animated Sentinel Prime is the same age as Optimus. In other words, he's not old enough to remember the Great War. There's no way he's Dion.

(Besides, the original Sentinel Prime is also orange/yellow.) --ItsWalky 19:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

But in no way is he blue, the dominant color of Dion and Animated Sentinel.

And I'm not saying Animated Sentinel was previously known as Dion millions of years ago, but that Dion could be the G1 cartoon version of this Sentinel Prime. G1 Elita-1 and BW Blackarachnia are not related at all, but Animated Blackarachnia is an alternate version of G1 Elita. And while G1 Dion is unrelated to any of the three comic versions of Sentinel Prime, Animated Sentinel could be an alternate version of him. --Xaaron 19:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Personal speculation is fine and all, but there's no Animated version of Dion nor any G1 cartoon version of Sentinel Prime, so it means nothing to the wiki.--Apcog 20:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Just stop. --M Sipher 20:21, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Geez sorry -- I didn't realize this was a forbidden subject. --Xaaron 00:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

But Animated Optimus Prime doesnt' remember the Great War either. Dion and Orpon Pax were the same age. Animated Oppy and Sentinel Prime are the same age. (I'm not saying he's Dion, I'm just pointing out your counterargument is kinda flimsy.)

This... hurts my head so damn much.--Rosicrucian^Talk 00:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Not so much a forbidden subject as a floodgate. If we allow one guy's personal theory in here, we have to allow another, then another, and another, etc, until the entire article is one giant fanwank. It's just a door that shouldn't be open. -- SFH 00:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

So, wait, Dion is...

Dion?!?!?! Way to dance around the rabid fanbases there, Alvarez. Khajidha 19:35, 9 December 2009 (EST) (personally still thinks Huffer is a possibility, but doesn't care enough to argue)

So the Diamond Edition is out?--Rosicrucian^Talk 20:09, 9 December 2009 (EST)

It is! Cover by Guido. Will scan soon. --ItsWalky 20:12, 9 December 2009 (EST)

So Dion is......... Dion. Guess that takes care of that. Shot by Megatron, then woke up later.Protoman 21:05, 20 December 2009 (EST)

Am I the only one thinking the issue isn't over yet though? Between Dion and newly-introduced Magnum, the intent of the Ultra Magnus-implication is so obvious that I don't believe it'll end that way. Geewunling 02:52, 21 December 2009 (EST)

Cop-Tur Micromaster or Mini-Con?

Dion's page calls Cop-Tur a Micromaster but the club website is calling him a Mini-Con. The website isn't the official bio, and I suppose it could be an understandable mistake. Is there another source that calls him a Micromaster? - Starfield 21:56, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Pete Sinclair calls him a Micromaster. --ItsWalky 21:57, 19 January 2010 (EST)

OK. That makes more sense. I hope he stays a Micromaster. - Starfield 22:03, 19 January 2010 (EST)

The instructions refer to him as a "Mini-Con". Authorial intent vs. final product?--Nevermore 13:49, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

Dion is Jazz?

According the the Transformers hall of fame finalist entry, "Before OPTIMUS PRIME became leader of the AUTOBOTS, he was known as Orion Pax and AUTOBOT JAZZ was his closest friend."

So, if Dion was his best friend before Optimus got rebuilt, doesn't that mean Jazz is Dion? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.26.4.170 (talk • contribs){{#if:06:13, 6 May 2010| 06:13, 6 May 2010|}}.

No. Because that bio is basically an "all-encompassing bio for all Jazzes past present and future" therefore there's no way to know if this is referring to G1 Jazz specifically, or Prime Jazz or Movie Jazz or Animated Jazz or Comic Jazz rather than Cartoon Jazz and so forth. --Detour 06:24, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Yeah. ONE Optimus Prime had this friend called Dion. This is a general "capsule" of all Jazzes. Maybe it's specifically referring to the Jazz-like guy we saw in flashbacks during the Unicron Trilogy. Maybe it's UK Comics Jazz. Maybe it's only canon for TF:Prime and the Ladybird storybooks. -hx 06:57, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Except that Sunbow Prime is the only one who was called Orion Pax. - Magnus Maximus 13:36, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Not true. His name is also Orion Pax in the upcoming Transformers: Prime and its related fiction. --ItsWalky 13:42, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

According to who? The Prime page doesn't mention Orion Pax at all, and the only indication of continuity on the Exodus page is that it may be tied to WfC, which so far has been said to be connected more to G1 than the Prime franchise. - Magnus Maximus 13:53, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

If there are holes, it is because the pages are incomplete. It is known already that WfC will serve as part of the official history of Hasbro's upcoming fiction initiatives. --ItsWalky 14:12, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Didn't the Keeper Trilogy books make Orion Pax a nickname of Op-ix in DW? Geewunling 14:20, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

That too. Further cementing that "Orion Pax" is not limited to Sunbow continuity. --ItsWalky 14:21, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

It might be nice if any of this was actually mentioned anywhere on the wiki. Do a search for Orion Pax, and the only results apart from Exodus are about the Sunbow toon. But whatever, I really don't care that much. Even if it was the same Orion Pax, it doesn't mean much, unless you assume he only ever had one friend. Still, I would argue that it's more of a connection than Ironhide has gotten so far. - Magnus Maximus 14:48, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Yes, it WOULD be nice if we had all the information laid out, but these articles are about books and video games and cartoon series that WILL NOT BE OUT FOR MONTHS. So your belly-aching is kind of premature. --ItsWalky 15:34, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

I'm not "belly-aching" about a lack of information that hasn't been released yet, I'm bitching about the lack of information that has apparently already been confirmed (i.e. the link between Exodus, WfC and Prime). Unless of course it's hasn't actually been confirmed, in which case it shouldn't be used to justify decisions about official canon. - Magnus Maximus 15:51, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

The real reason is that while we know Exodus, WfC, and Prime are linked, we don't know what continuity family these stories will ultimately end up in, whether it be another G1 continuity or the beginning of a new continuity family. The wiki is reluctant to put up more information along these lines until we know how to best categorize the information. No more, no less. Deciding that Jazz is Dion, meanwhile, is completely unsubstantiated, and doesn't have a decade or so of fandom discussion to inflate its importance. --ItsWalky 15:57, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

In that case, I'll go ahead and change those pages to reflect this. - Magnus Maximus 16:10, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

The Optimus Prime (G1) does mention the Orion Pax tidbit. How better would you suggest it to be documented? Also, no one is denying the wiki is far from complete - that's why there's this many edits a day. What ain't documented now might be tomorrow or the day after or not for another two years. Might be nice if it was all done already, but it ain't. Geewunling 14:51, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Is it actually Orion Pax in Keepers, or just Orion as the DW section on Optimus' page says? The only result that's caught when you ctrl+F for the full name is the Sunbow section, and there's no mention on the Keepers Trilogy page at all. - Magnus Maximus 15:12, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Can I apologize now? I make one little joke about what was almost certainly an unintended parallel, and every anon on 4 continents rushes to add it somewhere. --Khajidha 11:58, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Never underestimate the anons. :P --Jeysie 12:03, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

I would say that regardless of what the HoF bio suggests, it's a bit ludicrous to make a section for Jazz. The reason Ironhide and Magnus get a section seems to be based around the fact people have been arguing over it for years. It's a major discussion point in the fandom's history. Jazz is just...here. Give it four years of threads dedicated to the topic, then add it in User:Eire 20.44 May 6th 2010 (UTC)

That's almost the definition of fanon. - Magnus Maximus 15:57, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Frankly, now that Dion has other fiction to his name, I think we should cut out that section almost entirely. He used to be a three-second character whose "true identity" was debated ad nauseum online for over a decade. But Dion is more than who he may or may not be, now. It is no longer nearly as important. --ItsWalky 15:51, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

I agree with that. - Magnus Maximus 15:57, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Dion was always more than who he could be, imo. How would you suggest making the section smaller? The debate remains significant as part of the fandom (which the WoH fiction won't shoo away) and the canon intents and references to the matter should remain as well. Geewunling 16:04, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

Never mind. You've doen well, ItsWalky. Geewunling 16:18, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

[1] Boosh! Onslaught Six 08:17, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

So, do we need to add a note that the "he isn't anybody, he's dead" position seems to be Hasbro's official word? Would that mean removing the section entireley? Or just restating it as a common fanon theme that was overruled by Hasbro? --Khajidha 09:51, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

Duro-Lifters

Does anyone know if this feature was built into the Hot Shot mold on purpose, or if it was just a happy accident people discoved? Not to sound like a weenie, but I actually like the option, but would feel a little more secure about popping the pieces off and on, if I know the toy was specifically designed to do so.

It doesn't appear to be designed to do so, if I had to guess. There's no support for it. --ItsWalky 22:44, 14 June 2010 (EDT)

Continuity Header change

Er. I should point out that the "Wings of Honor" continuity is not actually a part of the cartoon continuity itself, but a separate G1 continuity that includes the cartoon within it (And not necessarily an as-is copy, either, going from some of Pete's comments). So I feel like keeping it separate but with a note would be more accurate. (Maybe we should turn the standard note we've been using in some of the other articles into a template, since it seems it's going to be used a lot over the next few years?) --Jeysie 11:07, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

Well, that's why I made it a subset of "Cartoon continuity" instead of a sub-subset of "The Transformers cartoon". Wings is relying on the cartoon episodes of War Dawn, The Rebirth, and so on to establish the "spine" of the stories it's telling...I think it makes more sense to have the Wings fiction grouped with the Cartoon fiction. Granted it doesn't make much difference for Dion, but for guys like Kup the cartoon is fiction section 1.1, and Wings is down the page in section 1.10. I think a note saying things aren't quite the same as the cartoon is essential, but it makes more sense to say "Wings is derived from the section immediately above" vs. "Wings is derived from that first section waaaaaaaay up at the top of the page." --Xaaron 11:48, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

I guess it's that to me, putting them like that feels to me like they're directly connected, and/or that what happens in Wings of Honor could be chosen by the reader to be interpreted as a retcon to the cartoon itself.

Whereas it's not. It uses a near-copy of the cartoon as a part of itself, but the FunPub folks have basically said that it may not always follow the cartoon exactly, and any changes aren't really meant to be read as retcons, they're meant to be read as a slightly different version of the cartoon being used.

It's a semantic point, I suppose, but still. Since I plan on still working on these pages when I get a sub again, I'm curious about getting it hashed out consistently, whichever way it goes.

As for organization, there's no real reason we couldn't just go ahead and put the Wings of Honor sections as separate but directly underneath the cartoon stuff... is there? I'm admittedly not sure if organizing chronologically is a hard rule or just done for ease of adding new sections. (I know that I switched Around Cybertron around a bit since the WoH stuff is meant to be read as coming "before" the TransTech stuff even though it was released afterwards.) --Jeysie 12:01, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

Ultra Magnus? Really?

I'm not seeing how there could be a shred of ambiguity about Magnum becoming Ultra Magnus; siding with ambiguity seems to be itself an unsupported and, if you will, partisan pretense. Magnum and UM have the same colors, almost exactly the same head, and Ultra Magnus says "Now they call me Ultra Magnus" and Prime goes "Makes sense, since you're so big now!"--thus making the "Ultra" the differentiating term and taking the "Magn-" as a constant. I have a hard time believing anybody ever really cared about Dion being rebuilt into anybody (and I was round during those arguments and just thought they were done-for-LULZ at the time), but now if anything the case seems even weaker. So, do we really have to dignify this alleged mystery? --Thylacine 2000 23:36, 20 December 2011 (EST)

The ambiguity is supported -- it is, in fact, specficially detailed in the story itself. We see two guys on the operating table, and are told only one will survive. A new guy shows up later and says, "I am the guy who survived". That is, by definition, ambiguous. There were some hints that support Dion being Ultra Magnus...the suggestion that he would make a great Magnum one day, and Optimus Prime calling Magnus "old friend", when in Battle Lines he apparently only met Magnum just in time for that fateful battle. You personally feel the evidence is mostly strongly in favour of Magnum becoming Magnus, and that's fine...but the situation isn't any less ambiguous than similar article sections, like "Who is Cyclonus?" --Xaaron 14:06, 21 December 2011 (EST)

The ambiguity is definite, intentional, and delicious. I wish I'd thought of it.--24.218.136.182 14:50, 21 December 2011 (EST)

It's not only definite and intentional, but also author-supported: [2] --ItsWalky 15:47, 21 December 2011 (EST)

"Who is Cyclonus?" comes down pretty firmly on Bombshell. It describes a disagreement without falsely indulging it. There's also the "let's admit we can see stuff" factor, as described at http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Ultra_Magnus_%28G1%29#Ummm_Megs_Origin_.233. That, I believe, is how we should handle this. --Thylacine 2000 18:39, 21 December 2011 (EST)

We have already listed all the facts. What more do you want? (I really disagree with you on your interpretation of the "I'm Ultra Magnus now" dialog exchange. All it's implying is that it's a bigger name for a bigger body. It implies nothing more.) --ItsWalky 19:02, 21 December 2011 (EST)

I should also add that it would annoy me more than anything else in the world if Dion were explicitly said to become Ultra Magnus. But the comic says what it says, and what it says is "this is purposefully a mystery." --ItsWalky 19:05, 21 December 2011 (EST)

to me, this sounds a lot like Schrodinger's Cat, and possibly to satisfy everyone, (except those who believed Ironhide or Huffer were Dion)Fun Publications made Ultra Magnus simultaneously Dion and not Dion. CrowBuster 17:09, 10 January 2012 (EST)User: CrowBuster

Dion's Bio in Transformers Legends

For a while now, the Transformers Legends player community has joked that the company behind the game (Mobage) gets everything it knows from Googling the various character names. This has become all the more apparent with their latest introduction "Dion". The back of his card includes the following bio:

"DION is an earnest dockworker and best friend to Orion Pax. He lives a simple life of manual labor and doesn't give a second thought to the stories of war brewing around him. What does interest him are those new flying robots! Maybe someday he'll get to meet them."

Look familiar? ;) Here is a screenshot[3] if you wish to include this somewhere on your site for bragging rights. Apparently you've become a better source for TF information than anybody that Mobage actually works with at Hasbro. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TRTX84 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Yeah, several cards have had bios copypasted from here. There's a note to that effect about it on the main TF Legends article. Also, please sign your talk page messages by typing four tildes: ~~~~ Jalaguy (talk) 10:17, 27 December 2013 (EST)

And yet both Orion Pax and Ariel appear to be archivists. Truly Legends is a potpourri of continuity. --abates (talk) 16:56, 27 December 2013 (EST)