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Matrix

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The Matrix is probably the All Spark in a new tamper proof packaging. Decepticonman 09:20, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Is there ANY confirmation as to what it is, or is it just speculation? User: Eire 18.51 May 23 09 (UTC)

Now this is just speculation, but that above suggestion is probably speculation. All the same, it may be an idea to ask our usual source about that Matrix on his twitter, or at Botcon next week... Shadow Mask Prime 09:21, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm surprised it's on a chain round his neck. Was a G1-style compartment too expensive? Of course, it's possibly supposed to be visible but still... -Cassius335 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 92.9.177.11 (talkcontribs){{#if:16:03, May 24, 2009 EDT| 16:03, May 24, 2009 EDT|}}.

If it looks like the Matrix... it is probably the Matrix. It isn't some random object. We don't have a problem assigning names to all those cameo characters. - Starfield 18:11, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
For the record, it is indeed the AllSpark. In the same container from the early episodes. Said container looks very much like the Matrix viewed from this angle. This has been confirmed, and the discussion is over. ZeldaTheSwordsman 13:08, 7 January 2010 (EST)
It isn't the same container, because it looks completely different and is about 1/6th its former size. It would make sense for the old container to have been re-shaped into this new thing, but that's just fanon / author intent until and unless Almanac 2 (assuming it comes out) says it. --Thylacine 2000 13:39, 7 January 2010 (EST)
Yeah, uh, the Matrix-like thing Prime has around his neck looks nothing like the AllSpark that the series began with. I'm not sure what the hell is "confirmed" here. And if it was "confirmed," it was by a friggin' blind man. --ItsWalky 13:48, 7 January 2010 (EST)
Confirmed where? My understanding is that it's the AllSpark in a new container, which intentionally looks a lot like the Matrix.--Jimsorenson 13:41, 7 January 2010 (EST)
That could be. It makes a certain amount of sense. But how do we know that? Besides the AllSpark looks too big to fit. Unless it is just close to the camera. - Starfield 14:57, 7 January 2010 (EST)
I don't see how the spikey AllSpark that was reassembled by Prowl and Jazz is too big to fit in the container around Optimus' neck. The pre-shattered version fit in Megatron's chest easily enough.
But the larger issue is that we DON'T need to have every detail spelled out for us. It's this sort of mentality that caused Lucas to add in a scene of Vader taking a shuttle from Bespin back to the Executor. We CAN look at one object and assess that it is indeed the same as another object, we don't have to wait for 'official confirmation' on things that are incredibly obvious. How do we know that the dead body in the casket that looks like Prowl is Prowl? He was never shown being put into the casket, right? After a certain point, this line of reasoning becomes absurd. --Jimsorenson 16:02, 8 January 2010 (EST)
I think it is incredibly obvious that Prime is wearing the Matrix of Leadership. - Starfield 18:35, 8 January 2010 (EST)
Strange, looks identical to the reconstructed Allspark. In a case. The previous case looked like an oversized matrix. And considering he was only just after landing, and the symbol of leadership is the magnus hammer, where the hell did he get an actual matrix. It's just another homage. The animals in Predacons Risin weren't Primal's maximals and that isn't the Matrix. User:Eire 02.27 09 Jan 2009 (UTC)
Where would Prime even get a Matrix of Leadership? Did he find it in one of his pockets after going through his laundry? Does Optimus Prime just get to pull powerful macguffins from other universes from nowhere? It's just a homage, and the center looks like the reconstructed Allspark shards. It's so not the actual Matrix. --ItsWalky 21:39, 8 January 2010 (EST)

Remaining Decepticons

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Thundercracker, Skywarp, Scrapper, Mixmaster, Dirtboss, and possibly Lockdown need to be added to the list of remaining Decepticons. Decepticonman 09:18, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Slipstream is still on Earth somewhere, too. 4.252.38.124 09:21, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

Not Dinobot Island.

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As far as I can tell by the shape of the Isle, I would say it isn't dinobot island, but an other one. Am I right?--GUIGUI 18:03, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

No sir, you are not. Dinobot Island's shape got changed when that huge crescent-chunk got blown out of it during "Predacons Rising". - Chris McFeely 18:05, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Starscream clones and AllSpark fragments

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Ahh... but your clones are just lifeless shells without my AllSpark fragment to bring them online.{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:Starscream Endgame 1|Starscream Endgame 1{{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}
Who needs your fragment?{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:Megatron|Megatron{{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}

Starscream animated his clones with his AllSpark fragment. Starscream thinks his fragment will bring all three online. The clones don't need one fragment of their own each. There is nothing to say the clones have their own fragment. - Starfield 20:56, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

When Screamer's bringing his clones online during A bridge too close part 1, he's seen breaking off a small fragment of his own fragment, inserts it into Skywarp's empty spark conatiner, and Skywarp then comes online. Presumably, this is how he brought all of the clones online. They do have their own Allspark fragments... Very small ones, it seems, but they still do have them. --Ascendron 21:01, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
Thank you. I forgot that. I updated the Starscream clone page. - Starfield 21:07, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Lugnut Supreme theme music

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It's been a while since I saw it, but didn't the second Terminator movie feature nearly the same droning roar noise-music thing following the unstoppable badguy around? -- Repowers 10:36, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

Yes, I noticed that too. It's very similar.--MistaTee 12:36, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

Starscream Supremes

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This part was a bit odd, I'll admit, but it doesn't seem like a continuity error... To me, it doesn't even look like he was controlling them. When Lugnut was controlling the clones, it looks like he had to consciously convey every order to the Supremes... When Starscream "took over" he wasn't doing such thing... He was just flying around, and the clones were moving on their own accord... From what I can tell, it looks like Screamer slipped in a prerecorded message along with some sort of program to tell the clones to defend themselves, all the while heading for a specific location, along with those bombs. That's what I made of it. --Ascendron 14:25, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

But that's the thing - Megatron COULDN'T DO THAT. He had to have Lugnut piped in because he didn't have the security patch, that wasn't the way he wanted to run them.
And then Starscream pulls it off, not just without the security patch but without ANY of the codes - and thus without activating the clones to his own personality - gets them into an autonomous mode without so much as being piped in? Continuity error. - SanityOrMadness 14:36, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
I personally like to think that Starscream is just more clever then Megatron is, so he figured something out Megatron couldn't... Or maybe there wasn't any additional security patches, the reason they couldn't get through was because of Screamer's meddling in the first place... But that's just me getting speculative. Personally, I'd like to wait for the WOG to clear this up a bit, if we ever get to ask them. But until someone official clears it up, all right, continuity error it is. --Ascendron 14:50, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
Cleverer than Megatron? Possibly. Cleverer than Shockwave? A lot less likely. - Magnus Maximus 14:55, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
I dunno, personally, Screamer came off to me as pretty darn clever... And Shockwave seemed nearly fumble his own cover often... But this is really getting into the territory of "I like this character better personally, so he's clearly the most clever character!" so yeah... In either case, it's undeniable that Screamer has the most experience with cloning technology out of all of them. That could have given him the edge in this situation. Whatever the case may be, I'm not touching this until any new official information pops up. --Ascendron 15:05, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

Reference to "Key to Vector Sigma?

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Hello, I have signed in. I intended to edit this page and add a "Transformers Reference" to the effect that Prowl merging with the All Spark is reminiscent of Alpha Trion Merging with Vector Sigma in "The Key to Vector Sigma." But discovered that the page was locked, preventing editing. why?

Registered users can edit it. Anonymous and newly registered users are blocked to ensure that spoilers and other shenanigans do not make their way onto the page before the episode airs. You just registered, so it will take a while before you can edit it. -- SFH 23:25, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
Uh, Prowl doesn't "merge with the AllSpark to control its' energy", as was claimed. He adds his spark to the AllSpark fragments they've collected because they couldn't get enough of the fragments (apparently, they're well short of recovering 100% of the AllSpark), and his spark energy is needed for the extra power. - SanityOrMadness 12:08, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Loose Ends

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Not a super-strenuous objection, but I'm not quite sure what the point is of listing out all the uncaptured Decepticons / loose ends here. We don't do it elsewhere (I haven't checked EVERY series ender, but we don't do it for The Rebirth III of G1, Endgame III of Beast Machines or the last episode of Cybertron, finishing out the Unicron trilogy) which makes it seem out of place here. In fact, it's only because Animated is so tightly written that it's even possible - a list of the loose ends left over from The Rebirth would probably be about 40 screen lengths long. Keep in mind that while a 4th season is off the table, shows HAVE been known to come back with a direct-to-video special now and again, and there have been rumors of some sort of comic book continuation.

If we DO decide that this content is worth having somewhere, wouldn't it be best served on the overall franchise page? --Jimsorenson 19:40, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

Does anyone else even have an opinion on this section? --Jimsorenson 19:58, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
I think that it's worth having, although I'm open to the idea of moving it elsewhere if that's what everyone else thinks. - SanityOrMadness 20:33, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
I think Sari's ambiguous origin deserves a mention. It was a theme that ran throughout the show that never got suitably explained. But yes maybe it would be better served on the franchise page. The other stuff is ultimately unimportant. MrBlud 21:16, June 1, 2009 (EDT)
I, for one, think thats jut how awesome Animated is compared to GeeWun and "Animarda" or Beasties. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.154.8.117 (talkcontribs){{#if:10:05, July 15, 2009| 10:05, July 15, 2009|}}.
I think it is nice to know which Decepticons and super villains remain unaccounted for. Remaining questions on Sari's origins would be better put on her page. Wreck-Gar, the Dinobots, and Blurr are not "unresolved" plot points. Leadership of the Autobots kind of is, if Magnus ever wakes up. - Starfield 10:31, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

Time Issue

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Some scenes had to be cut for time and I was wondering WHY Couldn't they have just made the episode longer because there aren't anymore season so now what happens to what wasn't explained. TransformerChick 17:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Standard solicited size for your average US cartoon series season. Tends not to be deviated from because it makes scheduling easier. Nearly everything is in thirteen episode blocks, and those are half-hour episodes, save for pilots.--RosicrucianTalk 17:20, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
You wanna get technical with the standard run time, it's typically 22 minutes & 18 seconds long. Just being difficult.--AWT88 20:19, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Sari quote caption

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"—In case you didn't get that, Sari has just solved in five seconds what Cybertron's greatest minds couldn't for millions of years. Wait. WHAT?!"

Uh, Shockwave fixed Arcee in the previous episode. His fiddling to try and get the security patch knocked her back a couple of stages into a fugue state, but she's still not as bad as when Perceptor or Wheeljack were working on her (well, after they initially broke her in trying to get the code themselves, that is). - SanityOrMadness 12:03, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

Well, yeah, good point, but it's likely captioned that way for comedy purposes. ZeldaTheSwordsman 00:32, 1 November 2009 (EDT)

Starscream's clones dead?

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Starscream brought his clones to life by taking a peice of the AllSpark fragment and putting it into them. If Prwol and Jazz brought all the fragments together, shouldn't the fragments in the clones have been taken out like Starscream's? DinoFreakUSA 14:07, 24 November 2010 (EST)

They didn't get all the fragments. ---Blackout- 14:38, 24 November 2010 (EST)