Talk:Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)

2006 Primus toy go here?

Should the 2006 Primus toy go here? As far as I can tell it isn't on any other toyline page and it should probably go somewhere. It is retroactively given the lowest ID number (C-00) and it seems to just use the F!SRLT logo (but I don't read Japanese).

On the Primus page the toy is listed under "Generation 1" which is a little strange since I don't think Japan ever had anything called "Generation 1" but anyway. - Starfield 17:09, 28 March 2010 (EDT)

1985 Minibots?

According to this page as it stands, the Japanese versions of G1 Powerglide, Beachcomber and Seaspray were released in 1985. However, photos of the boxes show that those toys have the ID numbers C-62, C-63 and C-64 respectively. As far as I was aware, Japanese Transformers didn't start getting the C and D prefixes until the second year of releases (i.e. 1986). For context, C-60 and C-61 were the 1986 figures Pipes and Tailgate. So what gives? Is the Wiki wrong and these figures ought to be in the 1986 section, or is the Wiki correct and (for some weird reason) they just happened to have 1986 numbering despite being released in 1985? This page: [1] has a scan of the 85 toy catalogue and Powerglide, Beachcomber and Seaspray aren't on it. I'm inclined to believe these three toys should be moved to the 1986 list. Anyone concur? Ryan Frost (talk) 09:24, 11 October 2016 (EDT)

The entire formatting of the list is weird. It's all sorted based on United States assortments while completely omitting the Japanese ID numbers. Basically, this is the Japanese toyline from a US perspective, or something.--Nevermore (talk) 05:41, 13 October 2016 (EDT)

Separate toy lines?

I'd like to put into question our entire perception of Japanese G1 toylines based on their corresponding cartoons. It seems like Takara took a very... interesting approach:

• The standard branding for Japanese G1 toys was "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers". This continued way into 1990!
• "Scramble City" is the closest Takara ever got to an actual separate sub-line with a consistent branding, which can be found on the packaging for Ultra Magnus, Galvatron, the Arialbots, the Protectobots, the Stunticons, the Combaticons, Metroflex and Dinosaurer (Trypticon). But then Takara complicated things further by also branding the 1987 Combiner teams (the Technobots and the Terrorcons) as part of "Scramble City".
• Unless I missed something, there are no toys branded "Transformers 2010"!
• The 1987 Headmaster and Targetmaster figures are branded "The Headmasters", with additional "Headmaster" and "Targetmaster" labels. Any toy from that year that isn't a Headmaster or a Targetmaster doesn't have that branding on its packaging. And to make matters even more confusing, the 1988 Headmaster Juniors are also branded "The Headmasters"!
• The 1988 Godmaster figures are branded "Masterforce" (simply that, no "Super God"), with additional "Godmaster" labels.
• The 1988 Pretenders are branded "Pretender" in katakana and "Pretenders" in English.
• The 1989 Brainmasters are branded "Brainmaster".
• The Breastforce figures are branded "Breastforce".
• Black Shadow and Blue Bachus have their own "Crossformer" branding.
• Unless I missed something, there are no toys branded "Victory"!
• The 1990 Micromasters, Dai Atlas, Roadfire and Sonic Bomber are branded "Micro Transformers". Galaxy Shuttle exists in two packaging variants, one with "Micro Transformers" branding and one without.
• "Return of Convoy" is an actual toy branding that exists.

I'm inclined to consider most, of not all of those more along the lines of the modern concept of subline imprints, rather than cut-and-dry separate toy lines. Thoughts?--Nevermore (talk) 19:06, 27 November 2017 (EST)

I was under the impression that sorting year-by-year according to the corresponding anime was the easiest way to make sense of things. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2017 (EST)

Sorting by year isn't entirely wrong (we did it for the US line too!), but treating every year as a distinct line when some of the brandings (like "Transformers 2010" or "Victory") don't even appear on the toys' packaging is just plain making stuff up.

After all, we don't have a separate page for "Transformers: War for Cybertron (toyline)" because those toys were released under the Generations banner and only had a secondary "War for Cybertron" branding.--Nevermore (talk) 04:06, 28 November 2017 (EST)

The logo on the packaging may not mean much, as Takara might regard them as separate toy lines behind the scenes. Depends on how easy it would be to find that out, I guess. --abates (talk) 06:06, 28 November 2017 (EST)

Wouldn't that be akin to "authorial intent"? I thought we always gave packaging branding (or at least uniform packaging design) a higher priority than "how everybody views it out of convenience".

Despite this, my point still stands is that this list in its current form makes no sense since it artificially divides figures into Hasbro assortments, which don't exist in Japan. We don't do that for modern lines.--Nevermore (talk) 07:46, 28 November 2017 (EST)

Well, I mean wave numbers aren't listed on the packaging either, but we use those. --abates (talk) 14:32, 28 November 2017 (EST)

Waves are a thing that exists. However, the official sorting for Japanese toy lines is by ID number, which aren't listed in the article at all. Basically, we are omitting the official system that exists in favor of forcibly applying Hasbro's system for no apparent reason.--Nevermore (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2017 (EST)

I wasn't talking about ID numbers. I was talking about the splitting up into individual lines. It's something Takara may do internally, and which also makes sense from an organizational point of view on our end, since if you don't have Victory, Masterforce, etc toy lines on separate pages, you end up with having to have the franchise navigation send you to a location partway down the "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)" page, and presumably have some sort of franchise navigation there so they can navigate to the cartoon, etc. --abates (talk) 15:45, 28 November 2017 (EST)

I've given it a shot, still WIP: Sandbox--Nevermore (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2018 (EDT)

Anyone? Proposed major change? Almost done, please chime in now instead of waiting with your objections until after I implement it! User:Nevermore/Sandbox/Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)--Nevermore (talk) 16:53, 17 July 2018 (EDT)

Popping in 4 years after this change was made to point out that the Masterforce, Victory, and Zone boxes absolutely do have their unique Masterforce, Victory, and Zone logos on them (and I have had to correct that repeatedly on this article). What's done is done, I guess, but I think it's reasonable to suggest that if anyone had noticed this while it was an ongoing conversation there would have been a different outcome. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 16:42, 14 April 2022 (EDT)

We literally just had this discussion again last year, where you DID bring up the logos on the boxes and it was still decided they were all one line; we don't need to go through it again. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:05, 14 April 2022 (EDT)

Zone and ROC names

Recently, I've noticed that the Japanese names for some Micromasters are wordplay on the american versions. Groundshaker--Landshaker, Skyhopper--Sky Hyper, Detour--Deadhour. Should we add a note onto the pages where this occurs or not?--ZacAttack (talk) 06:36, 14 November 2020 (EST)

What to do with "Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)"

See HERE for discussion. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 14:01, 13 July 2025 (EDT)