Talk:Grimlock (G1)

Quote

Is that quote that opens up the character summary actually from somewhere? If so, it needs to be sourced. If not, it needs to go. --ItsWalky 04:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you talking about the "Me Grimlock not nice dino" one? -- SFH 04:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

No, the one "that opens up the character summary." The one that is NOT sourced. --ItsWalky 05:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh that! Sorry, I was a little connfuzled [sic]. I always assumed that someone went a little snarky on it. It's not like that's never happened before. In fact, I just did it. -- SFH 05:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

New Main Pic?!

Why the hell did you change the main picture? The one there was AWESOME. --M Sipher 22:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

• Well, someone else changed it to that cartoon mugshot, so then *I* changed it to something a bit better. The self-portrait was funny, but I dunno, I don't mind there being a more accurate main image there, either. --DrSpengler 23:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I found the image changed and added the sarcasm under it about the self-portrait being missing. The return of the self-portait and its new caption in responce was funny. ~Ithekro

Can we change the pic back? This current picture doesn't look that great. The pose is Dreamwavey and its obviously a bad scan - I mean, dude, you can see the inside spine of the book. And its crooked! --FFN 02:05, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, whoi changed it to a screenshot from that fan vid that's been on youtube for the last year? change it back, it's a bad shot GWolf

This page needs the Alternator. Iron Moose 00:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the main image because like movie Brawl, it's another case of to much of a good thing (humor.) G1MA 23:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)G1MA

On the current main pic (me grimlock draw self portrait): WTF is this? WE need a new one. Slagging hell, this is just plain dumb.Screamer 00:59, 10 September 2009 (EDT))

We don't need a new one. This one is perfect, it's about as telling of Grimlock's personality as a picture can get. --Detour 01:06, 10 September 2009 (EDT)

Based on the dates of the other comments here, we can conclude that the self portrait has been there for at least 2 and a half years. Meaning that it's pretty well established and probably shouldn't be changed arbitrarily without even trying to build consensus first. Then there's the fact that since a discussion took place in the past, we already HAVE a consensus. To not change it. - Cattleprod 12:45, 10 September 2009 (EDT)

Universe/Energon?

The toy was released as part of Energon, despide where it was intended to be releases. Should the toy portion of the article say Energon instead of Universe? --Crockalley 16:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

no, because while the planned Universe release would have been the G1 character, the Energon release was not. --FortMax 15:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Anyone know where I can find uthe Binaltech Grimlock bio/story? all all can finds is places discussing it, nto the bio itself... -Derik 02:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

http://seibertron.com/images/toys/uploads/1102545791_BTgrimlockpg9-10.jpg Try there. --DrSpengler 05:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Stasis Pod conjecture

Razorbeast, IIRC, metnions Grimlock was among the Axalon's personel manifest.

Interrogbang seemed to think he was speculating about somethign that was unsaid. In reality- ti was said, so ti needs to go back in. -Derik 19:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey! Grimlock was in the backround in the gathering after the fight. He was helping build up a base. Last handful of panels somewhere.

Where's my brain? Sorry, that's all my fault. :( --Crockalley 20:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Um, what? All I did was this. Interrobang 01:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I take credit for the changes in question. It was I who wrote that section, then I took the info out, then I put it back in. --Crockalley 01:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I saw IB had been the last one to edit ti before you and assumed you were removing his additions, not your own earlier work. ^_^ -Derik 06:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Should the WSTF effort be in the toys, or has it been left out for its lack of legitimacy? It seems worth mentioning one way or another. --Ratbat 01:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Put it in the trivia section, not toys? -Derik 01:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

That might be a slippery slope... Seems like that would then warrant mention of things like the double size Grimlock bootleg and the weird ass Prehistory Dinosaur ones. Best to reserve it for when/if there's ever an article on knockoffs made.--MCRG 02:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Question

Why is there a secton for the BW animated? Grimlock never so much as got a mention

Because the Beast Wars comic from IDW takes place in the BW animated continuity. --Crockalley 14:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Attacktix question

For the Attacktix figure, it's the head of Grimlock who serves as a projectile, right? Anyone able to answers this?

I don't think it's a projectile, strictly. Probably a ramming device, like Skyblast's little lance thing. --ItsWalky 15:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Probably? Does someone having one can confirm?

They're future releases. --ItsWalky 01:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

So are the movie toys, what's your point?  ;-) -Derik 01:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

There are no stolen Attacktix. --ItsWalky 01:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought it was already out.

Regarding Dreamwave

Any particular reason that "Dreamwave" and "War Within" are different sections? - Dark T Zeratul 23:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Pretenders of the Old Republic?

I've been meaning to ask, is there a reason behind the "Knights of the Old Republic" reference on the Inner Pretender/Classic figure picture? I mean, I love the game, but I can't figure out why someone refed it on that pic.--ZacWilliam 15:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Ed Asner does the voice of a Jedi Master in the game, and his character looks exactly like him. Atomic spaceman 15:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Season Five???

What on Earth is this?--71.110.187.165 05:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Tommy Kennedy --ItsWalky 05:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Diaclone fire

Do we really need this trivia? I mean, it's not like the toy REALLY ever was intended to shoot fire. Next thing we'll have is how Powered Convoy has steam shoot out of his missile launchers in his commercial, or that an "aborted feature" of Ultra Magnus was to have light up eyes because a Japanese toy commercial did...and also had Galvatron fire REAL LASERS. --Terrocon Blot 10:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced quote

Stuffing it here in case someone actually can source it... but frankly, I don't think that's happening. --M Sipher 18:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

"Grimlock hate Optimus Prime. Grimlock believe leader should show strength by attacking quickly and mercilessly! Prime often reconsider or hesitate, in fear of possible casualties, both Transformer and squishy -- Grimlock say that cowardice! If Grimlock were in charge, war would have been over long ago."

Order

According to Rik Bakke's data, SOS Dinobots first aired on 10/27/1984, while our page for The Last Stand! has issue #4 dated March 1985. My copy of Marvel Age #23 says Transformers #4 shipped on November 13th for sale on December 4th of 1984; this is still significantly after October 27. Should Grimlock's comic and cartoon sections be switched, then? Presumably this would be the same for Slag and Sludge - but Bakke lists War of the Dinobots (first Snarl and Swoop) as airing 11/24/1984. Which, uh, is BETWEEN the shipping/sale date for The Last Stand!. Perplexing. --Monzo 11:48, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Switch Grimlock, Slag and Sludge's sections, but keep Marvel first for the other two. --ItsWalky 14:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Add Con faction

Since in some continuities it is established he was a Decepticon at least briefly in the early days of the war, should it be in the faction section on top. User:Eire 18.44 Aug 7 09 (UTC)

Main Pic Votey

Since it came up in Bludgeon's page, thought why not have a vote. Keep or not keep. Personally, abstain. I wouldn't say no to a good Grimlock image, but I get why the joke one is here User:Eire Oct 1 09 19.25 (UTC)

CHANGE IT. Don't like it; never have. It goes against TFWiki's policies regarding information over humor, but is granted an exception because "LOL teh funny". If we're not gonna be consistent, we might as well be that other wiki. --DrSpengler 14:28, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

Ummm ... are you really suggesting that the main problem with the other wiki is consistency? --Jimsorenson 14:33, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

They're inconsistent in how bad they are. They cannot decide whether they want to be super wretched or dismally awful. --DrSpengler 14:34, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

CHANGE IT, for the same reasons as Spengler. - SanityOrMadness 18:06, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

KEEP IT, because I like fun things sometimes. I wonder, really, whose idea of "consistency" we're going for. Most of the definitions I see thrown up in these discussions sound boring, dull, and retarded to me. If you want banality, edit Wikipedia. --ItsWalky 19:01, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

So why not rewrite Transformers Wiki:Policies to say "It doesn't matter what you write, so long as IT LOLS!". Because as it stands, it says "Transformers Wiki has chosen to allow humor within its articles, provided that it does not get in the way of delivering accurate information. " And images like this GET IN THE WAY OF DELIVERING ACCURATE INFORMATION at a glance. And isn't that what the main pic is for - to see what the character's main/default/primary appearance is AT A GLANCE (i.e., without having to scroll down the page), in the same way as the blurb beside it is to give an idea of the character's personality AT A GLANCE without having to read through what are often lengthy fiction sections.

I'm not saying there's no place for an image like Grimlock's scrawl. But that place definitely ain't at the top-right of an article. - SanityOrMadness 19:09, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

I will respond to you when you drop the strawman you have created of me. There is nothing you said that I can address which remotely resembles anything I said. --ItsWalky 19:23, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

Have you, or have you not, demanded images which are not representative of how the character looks in [their primary, where relevant] fiction remain as their mainpic because you find the picture amusing? [And, no, I'm not saying you're alone in that, but you're the one that's here] - SanityOrMadness 19:32, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

Demanded? No. I've never demanded from the start that we should choose a joke image for a particular character without already having one in mind. If we eventually end up with one that fits, sure. I like to have a fun image here and there, if only for the actual real practical purpose of reminding us from time to time this is a fun hobby and we shouldn't edit this wiki with friggin' sticks up our asses. --ItsWalky 19:46, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

In the discussion for Megatron (BW)'s main image, you disagreed with Monzo's replacement of the full body main image with a goofy half-body one. Here we have a goofy pic that doesn't properly illustrate what the character's full body looks like at all, but you're arguing it should stay because it amuses you. It was my understanding that, while "the funny stays", the lulz should never interfere with the information. I don't think "It amuses me" is a very strong argument in that regard. Yes, it's been there for 2 and a half years, but that shouldn't be reason enough to keep it there forever when I'm certain there are a myriad of images out there that illustrate Grimlock's full body and his personality. The current picture only does one and not all that well, either. --DrSpengler (at work, can't log in)

I didn't reject Monzo's because it was goofy. I mean, it is goofy, but I didn't think it was as good an image as the one we had before. If there was an awesome goofy image of Megatron (BW), I probably woulda wanted it. I didn't like the art in Monzo's image. Its rank on the LOLometer had no part in my decision. --ItsWalky 20:09, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

And c'mon, Walky. Saying anybody who disagrees with you and doesn't like the main pic has "a stick up their ass" and their reasoning is "retarded"? You're better than that. --DrSpengler (at work, can't log in)

I also didn't say anybody here had a stick up their ass. I was merely describing a soulless tone I wished to avoid for the wiki by retaining some of our earlier charm. Please, folks, if you're gonna throw down with me, will you please stop pinning shit to me that I haven't actually said? Don't waste my time. --ItsWalky 20:09, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

I don't think the tone in here is "soulless" at all. No one's advocating removing all the humor from the page, or even removing that one image entirely (it can sit pretty in Grimlock's Marvel Comics fiction section). Requesting to remove one joke and replace it with info does not equate to "soulless", so perhaps you should lay your strawman aside and we'll discard ours, as well. This wiki is in no danger of losing its humor and there is plenty to go around. Wanting to substitute an image that interfers with TFWiki's number one priority, information, with one that fits our guidelines, doesn't mean we've all lost our senses of humor. --DrSpengler (at work)

KEEP IT, since it was one of the first things I noticed as an example of how great this place was. The reasons for changing mostly boil down to 'because the rules say so', so simply adds another layer to it reflecting Grimlock's personality, as Jeysie described. - Cattleprod 20:23, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

No, the rules talk is just to point out that, even by the wiki's own standards, info > humour. The big problem is the (lack of) info itself - the first picture of what Grimlock looks like is way, way "below the fold". And that's a headshot. And then the next pic is the back of his dino mode. If you're browsing on a netbook, you've got four or five pages to scroll down to see what Grimlock looks like. If you're browsing on a mobile phone, forget it.

And even by the standards Walky & co are trying to apply, what does the scrawl reveal about Grimlock? That he's a bad artist? That he sees himself as a happy, smiley sort of bot, who goes around with a big grin plastered over his (non-existant) face? Yeah, dead revealing. - SanityOrMadness 20:45, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

In that case, I want the replacement image and caption to match "Krusty poses for trading card photo" as closely as possible. - Cattleprod 20:59, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

KEEP IT - Why not? This picture is interesting, and the rest of the reasons have been said above. --TX55^TALK 20:51, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

KEEP IT - It sums up Grimlock so well. "I'm awesome and kinda dumb." If it weren't an A-List "in every G1 story ever" character, I'd be against it. As such, I think it works, plus provides levity with a character that's soely lackign in it most of the time. --M Sipher 20:55, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

KEEP IT. Hooper_X 21:18, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

KEEP IT. And if you don't, only this image will suffice as a replacement. --Detour 21:38, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

KEEP IT. Noviere 21:47, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

CHANGE IT. It's a funny pic, but I think the humor of it fades after repeated viewings. Work it into the Earthforce section, for sure, but just not as the main pic anymore. --Xaaron 00:22, 2 October 2009 (EDT)

KEEP IT. Anyone who stumbles onto the article is going to be familiar with Grimlock anyhow. And even casual fans and most newbies just recognize him as "that dim dinosaur bloke". --Nu-Priest 07:21, 2 October 2009 (EDT)

CHANGE IT. I've tried to make it as badass as possible, but some screwy n00b keeps changing it. WHY ME?!?!?!?!?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Badass Grimlock (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

KEEP IT I've contributed more than the guy above me and the self-portrait amuses me quite greatly. --67.226.183.193 14:21, 26 November 2009 (EST)

KEEP IT - It sums up Grimlock pretty well, and it's amusing. ---Blackout- 14:25, 26 November 2009 (EST)

Discussion

Before I can vote, I have to ask, which is more important in a main pic: showing personality or showing the character's full look? (I've seen both sides argued, which is why I ask.) Because IMHO the pic shows Grimlock's personality wonderfully. His full look... not so much, obviously. --Jeysie 18:14, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

Is it too much to ask for both?

Seriously, I think that - at a bare minimum - a pic should show most of a character's robot/main mode from either the front or a three-quarter view, and ideally have at least a smaller picture of their alt mode. There's a certain amount of wiggle room if a picture isn't 100% ideal but it shows off their personality well (the difference noted on Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac#Scans between character models and style guide art). But nonsense doodles, pictures/art of toys that don't represent their main fictional portrayal or pictures that only show a very limited part of their robot/main mode are well, well outside that notional wiggle room and should be booted down the page or removed entirely. - SanityOrMadness 18:34, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

That's not a question I can answer unless every Transformers character in the world had the exact same range and breadth of images. I also can't answer that unless all Transformers characters are weighted exactly the same, personality or visual-wise. Some characters have very strong personalities! Some characters have very distinctive appearances! It is foolhardy to try to measure everyone with the same stick. --ItsWalky 19:03, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

Wow, that's kind of... extremely unhelpful.

I mean, sure, my vast preference would be to have a pic that does both. But if it ends up that our picture options mean we can't have both "personality" and "look" in one pic, then I don't see how we're supposed to choose without some idea of what wiki policies consider more important. Especially since I could make equally logical arguments for both sides of the equation. --Jeysie 19:33, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

Can't we judge on a character-by-character basis? Why can't we? What is preventing us? Our OCD? --ItsWalky 19:46, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

Seeing as how Grimlock's personality and appearance are pretty much equally unique and notable, that still provides precisely zero help.

As a more specific thought, having general guidelines that are followed unless there's compelling reason not to simply makes life a lot easier. Especially when all options are equally viable and boil down to flipping a coin. --Jeysie 19:58, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

I don't see a good reason to make a 'general guideline' rather than go case-by-case. As soon as we have a general guideline, even if it's something that is highly contentious and the vote goes 7 to 6, people are going to start plowing through and trying to make everything conform. It's the nature of all bureaucracies, which is exactly what this wiki functions like most of the time. 'General guidelines' are why BW Megatron's main image was an alligator for a while, even though I think 100% of people agree that that's not his most prominent or interesting form. Allowing there to be exceptions keeps things fresher and more interesting.--Jimsorenson 20:14, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

In cases where there's no one option clearly better than the others, general guidelines let you just pick something and get on with life. There's no reason you can't then sometimes make exceptions when a differing option actually would be clearly better.

I guess I just abstain, then, because I don't have any reason to consider either option better than the other and nobody has any thoughts on how the wiki usually handles it.

At best I might say it's a waste of time changing the current pic unless someone's got another pic handy that shows both Grimlock's looks and personality at the same time. --Jeysie 20:37, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

The existing picture has the advantage of both illustrating and taking wind out of Grimlock's character. (I think I'd die a little inside if our main image became "Me Grimlock: Badass," for example.)

What's happening right here-- you've got a bunch od people saying "I don't like this pic, we should change it," and on the other side you've got a bunch of other people saying "To what? Grimlock has no iconically awesome image to represent him, and we think it would be a crime to default back to his boxart."

Following the logic that we prefer self-portraits from artists when they've done them (because they both illustrate the person and their personality/style) this main image makes perfect, if quirky sense. Conversely-- while it does nicely encapsulate Grimlock when he's written by Furman, it's a pretty bad representation of cartoon Grimlock... which is an argument for changing it no one on the "change it" side has made. (Dear 'change it's: You all suck at persuasive argument.)

If we are to achieve any consensus that results in the mainpic being changed, there has to be a viable alternative offered. In the interests of fostering useful debate, I offer two suggestions;

• Grimlock in Dinosaur mode humping a triceratops from the cover of Dinobot War.
• Grimlock in robot mode from the group shot from the interior coverfold of the Marvek UK 1986 annual.

The prior because Grimlock is one of the few charaters who can be justifiable illustrated in dinosaur mode, and it shows him off in a way that's immediately recognizable, no matter how dim your memories of Transformers are. The latter because he looks huge and menacing. -Derik 08:07, 2 October 2009 (EDT)

I stuck this pic into the notes section. Not sure he ticks all the boxes for main pic-ness: It's the same pic as http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/18/78LETTERScomp.JPEG but with added Xmasy-ness. Drmick 08:28, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

Anyways, so I went ahead and did a compromise using both (official!) images. How about that? Not even any need to chage the caption! Drmick 08:43, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

Nobody has cared about this shit for a year. Please spend your efforts elsewhere. —Interrobang 09:06, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

Any particular reason why you moved all the images in the Notes section to the top? --Detour 09:31, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

Better spacing and visual appeal? —Interrobang 10:09, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

Now that depends on each user's screen size and resolution. On mine they all ended up way at the top, so I had no idea which note they were even associated with. --Detour 10:13, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

The problem on my end was that the G2 image forced the Pat Lee image so down that it was completely detached from the relevant note and created a huge amount of whitespace. I've made the Pat Lee image a link, so it's a moot point now. —Interrobang 10:29, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

Split

Aside from the MSTFs this is currently the second largest page on the wiki, we should probably consider splitting it. Either the G1 toon or the Marvel comics section could be split. Any thoughts or suggestions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khajidha (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

I think probably both: Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity and Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity. --TX55^TALK 09:21, 3 March 2011 (EST)

Me Grimlock is MtG card

How (if we do) should Grimlock's appearance in Magic the Gathering be covered? - TBR (talk) 23:30, 29 July 2017 (EDT)

How Strong

This feels like a bit of an odd section to include in notes. It's a discussion piece and not one of those ones that is a big fandom darling. It's just "is he strong? Depends on the writer". Seems a tad unnecessary. Eire 12.32 GMT Sep 21 2017

Clearly a lot of thought went into this, but.... it doesn't make much of a point and is waaaay too long. "Grimlock's power level varied wildly, from-- (and then cite 3-4 different cases, grand total of ONE PARAGRAPH)" would be more than enough. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 15:21, 21 September 2017 (EDT)