Talk:Jazz (G1)/toys

Two things that I think we need:

• A category for character toy pages
• A small header template for the same, essentially identifying the page as subsidiary to the main character page. This would also be useful if we do things like split Optimus Prime's cartoon and comic appearances off onto their own page. -- Repowers 11:54, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Given that [[name (disambig) toys]] looks awkward, why not move to [[name (disambig)/toys]] and turn on the subpages functionality? That would clearly establish this (and other cases, like the looming split of Optimus Prime (G1)'s fiction section) as subordinate, and look less awkward. - SanityOrMadness 11:58, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

I like this plan. I'm proud to be a part of it. Let's do it! -- Repowers 12:02, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Just checked - the subpage functionality (Which can be seen at the top of User:SanityOrMadness/test - it's just a little note pointing back to the root page) is definitely not turned on in the main namespace. Even if everyone else is fine with it, we'll need Suzi Brits or someone with equivalent access to turn it on.

[and, uh, could a passing sysop please delete [[Optimus Prime (G1)/test]], which I used to check that?] - SanityOrMadness 20:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, you have to add $wgNamespacesWithSubpages['0'] = true; to the LocalSettings file, as the Main namespace has subpages turned off by default. --Jeysie 20:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

We could just do it the same way we do the various galleries (example: Cybertron (planet)). - Magnus Maximus 01:31, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

{{factions{{#if:||{{{2}}}|}}}} gets in the way. - SanityOrMadness 05:33, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Balls. - Magnus Maximus 08:27, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

You know, even before we get the functionality turned on, moving the pages is probably a good idea anyway, since the toy pages aren't really separate articles. (There's some things like the year pages that'd probably benefit from the same.) --Jeysie 08:39, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Wait a day or two though - if we get any sort of visits-spike from the Animated finale, the site will probably go down, and there will probably be a few redirects, etc to fix from the moves. Best wait on any structural work until we've got a decent chance of finishing it in one go. - SanityOrMadness 09:23, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

'Tis done

Moved all the [[NAME toys]] pages I could find with the search function to [[NAME/toys]] since the subpages function has been set up to accommodate it. Now to whack Deceptitran's requests page :) - SanityOrMadness 12:54, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Should we do something similar for things like the year subsection pages as well? --Jeysie 14:14, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

It might be an idea, but I'd like to hear other thoughts on it first. - SanityOrMadness 14:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Does the subpages function do anything cool? - Starfield 14:40, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Not especially - it just adds a little link back to the root page under the title. You can see it on this page now. - SanityOrMadness 14:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Yeah. Mainly makes navigation easier.--Rosicrucian^Talk 14:55, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Speaking of which, I should probably also ask what we should do about the now-redundant back-navigation on pages like Cybertron (planet)/gallery, if anything at all. --Jeysie 15:30, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I personally like the other style of back-links. It looks a bit less stupid than...

Jazz (G1)/toys

  < Jazz (G1)

Jazz has appeared as many toys.

...which is how it is now. I reckon turn the subpage function back off, and just have the gallery-style links. We're not going to be putting {{factions}} on the toy pages anyway, are we? - Magnus Maximus 18:06, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I would have no problem delinking the "Jazz has..." bit. Indeed, we probably should - and we really should put {{factions{{#if:||{{{2}}}|}}}} on the toy pages (specifically for insignia used on the toys) while we're at it. - SanityOrMadness 18:22, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

I still think it looks a bit silly written underneath itself on three lines like that whether it's linked or not. And as long as the factions are on the character page, and there's a clear link back to it (wherever it may be in regards to the layout), then I don't think they really need to be on the toys' page as well. - Magnus Maximus 18:34, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

FWIW, the subpages auto-link can be CSS-styled quite easily, if it's the look that's the problem. --Jeysie 20:08, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

It's not the look, so much as the placing. I just think it looks a bit silly to have the article's subject stacked three-high like that right at the top of the page. We might as well put another line underneath them saying "This page is about Jazz, by the way, in case you didn't catch that." - Magnus Maximus 02:21, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

But the article it's pointing back to is "Jazz (G1)". And I like the placing, and it's consistent across this and other wikis in this way. - SanityOrMadness 20:10, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Side effect found. Articles that already had a slash in them now have an automatic unintended point back on them. Example: Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front. I don't know if it is a problem, it could be ignored. But is there a template like {{lowercase}} that can disable it? - Starfield 22:12, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

I think this may need to be tweaked at the global CSS level - the wiki software prevents a <style> being hard-coded or transcluded into the page. - SanityOrMadness 13:48, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

Reissues

Should reissues be lumped under the entry for the original toy, or should they be given their own entries under Transformers Collection, Commemorative Series and Encore?--Nevermore 09:49, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

They should get their own entry like you listed them there. Dead Metal 11:50, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Reveal the Shield

Not trying to start an argument, just trying to make my case for the Fairlady comparison: Uni Prowl is based on the 350Z, which has a significantly different rear end from the 370Z, which looks like this http://www.nissan-insight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2012-Nissan-370Z.jpg whereas the Solstice has a dipped rear end that looks completely different from SO Jazz'

The dipped rear-end, I would imagine, is taken from a Porsche, not any Nissan Z. It makes more sense that RtS Jazz would be a hybrid of his two most celebrated altmodes, rather than part Porsche and part something else entirely. --ItsWalky 22:51, 7 December 2010 (EST)

Scar on RTS Jazz's face.

It took me a bit to notice, but RTS Jazz has a molded "scar" on the right side of his face. Is this notable enough to include in his toy description?

No he doesn't. You must have a figure with a mold defect. --Detour 20:09, 11 March 2011 (EST)

Rrrgh. TheMZone 21:35, 12 March 2011 (EST)

WFC Jazz?

Shouldn't he be on a different page? Aren't Generations toys based on WFC designs Prime Continuity charachters?--BlackStarscream 17:19, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Read the note. --Sabrblade 19:39, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

Re-License?

Didn't Hasbro already have the license for Porsche? If Jazz was already a Porsche then keep it that way! Right?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by CheeseMan (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

I'm not entirely sure what you are asking about. If you are referring to the original Jazz mold being a Porsche, there was no license from Porsche for that. Laws were different back then, none of the original Autobot car molds was a licensed replica. --Khajidha (talk) 13:34, 3 January 2014 (EST)

reverted caption

If i make an edit in good faith, i think wanting to know why someone reverted it is a reasonable request. If i say "1 + 1 = 10", telling me i'm wrong does not teach me that 1 + 1 = 2. It also denies me the opportunity to teach you what i know about binary.

"Don't be racist. Be like the panda. They're black, white, and Asian." i think we can all agree racism is bad, and the people i meet in person tend to agree with me both that racism is bad and that this quote is an amusing way of saying so.

While i recognize that It is okay for an image to have *gasp* no caption at all, i think the disputed caption is exceptionally appropriate to associate with G1 Jazz. He's a race car, but not a racist (he appreciates the music, arts, and culture of organic creatures from a different planet, many of whom he counts as friends and allies). His deco is largely black and white, his voice actor is black, his altmode was designed by a German company (Germans ironically also being famous for white, racist Nazis), and his toy was designed by an Asian company.

Some people say "It's not funny if you have to explain it." But then, it's not funny and it's not kind to revert it without (stated) justification for doing so--and it doesn't help me help the wiki.

i'll check here for comments, and unless there are a huge number of objections (or at least one reasonable objection with a civil explanation of why you object) within a week, i'm putting my caption back up.

--Rhymus (talk) 21:48, 13 December 2017 (EST)

Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. Saix (talk) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)

The "easter egg" linking, particularly since half of them went off-site, was way over the top. But, really, just move on. --Khajidha (talk) 07:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)

So the objection is the overuse of linking? Good to know, thanks for explaining. i'll try to cut back on that.

Saix, it's not just about the caption, it's about making the wiki better. Isn't being kind and helping each other learn the best way to do that?

--Rhymus (talk) 03:58, 14 January 2018 (EST)

If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --ItsWalky (talk) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)

Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --ItsWalky (talk) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)

Unjustified (or at least unexplained) reverts do hurt my feelings, but your point about potential terrible feelings is a good one. Thank you for pointing that out. --Rhymus (talk) 04:35, 14 January 2018 (EST)

Shelfwarmer status

What's the normal period for labeling a toy a shelfwarmer? Because the Power of the Primes Deluxe Class Jazz seems to be headed that way: I checked a lot of the local stores in my area an Jazz is piling up on the shelves in all of them while his wave-mates are disappearing. Battlemaster (talk) 00:10, 22 February 2018 (EST)

More than ONE WAVE on shelves, that's for damn sure. --M Sipher (talk) 01:16, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Takara History Collection PVC figure

The merchandise section is missing the Takara History Collection figure. I have one I could photograph. Anyone want to draft the copy? --Skrollex (talk) 20:45, 16 August 2020 (EDT)