Talk:Jolt (Movie)

Should this be deleted? Some person may try to find Jolt (Movie), the redeco of Cybertron Crosswise, but was unaware that he was renamed Dead End for some incredibly minor appearance in an obscure comic book, and I'm sure there are still links around the wiki here and there using this name (specifically referring to the toy). --FFN 05:54, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

No, it shouldn't be deleted. Jolt is a canonical alternate name for the guy. - Starfield 08:56, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

If people are looking by "Jolt", then they'll type in... "Jolt". Not "Jolt (Movie)". —Interrobang 17:59, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

Not true. I've actually typed in "Thundercracker (Cybertron)" many times forgetting there technically exists an Armada incarnation that's considered the same characters. Some people know our types of disambiguation without knowing if he's been renamed, rebranded, repurposed, etc. --Detour 18:19, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

Finally, someone agrees with me... - SanityOrMadness 14:15, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

That's what the disambigs are for. Jolt (Movie) is accurate for the Crosswise redeco. "Devastator (Movie)" still redirects to Brawl (Movie) - Starfield 18:39, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

Moving Jolt to Dead End = retarded

Frankly, I still find the move to "Dead End (Movie)" retarded. He was Jolt first, he was Jolt long before his hi-then-die cameo in an obscure comic book, and I guarentee most anyone who knows who the fuck the guy is knows him as Jolt, not Dead End. We can say "He is also known as Dead End" in his little continuity note, but the page should remain at "Jolt (Movie)". -- M Sipher still not logged in.

I agree! I think the first Movie guy should be kept at Jolt (Movie). --Monzo 04:25, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

That's basically what I said on Jolt/Dead End's talk page. I also disagree with the fact we're merging Fake Dead End (Movie) with Dead End (ROTF). --FFN 17:38, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

The evidence for the toy Jolt being the same character as the comic Dead End is not ironclad. They have a different altmode, name, and backstory (the comic guy isn't an allspark Mutation) but similar colors. He never transformed to robot mode so there is no similarities to check for there. Maybe we should split Jolt from all the Dead Ends. Edit: I was sort of waiting to see the deluxe bio to see how he fits into the mix before I really weighed in on the issue. - Starfield 14:08, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

For everyone that keeps saying "some obscure comic book," this character also appeared in The Veiled Threat, where he was again identified as Dead End. -Derik 14:14, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

Seems to me that that could be considered repurposing. Deadend/Dead End doesn't match Jolt's bio. —Interrobang 14:33, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

In what way? Allspark mutation vs. pre-existing? That's a common problem with bios though. -Derik 14:37, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

Yeah. It's an argument one could pursue. Only issue I really care about here is the weirdness of attaching a ROTF name to "(Movie)", but I don't think that can be helped. —Interrobang 14:40, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

Deadend?

What evidence for the parsing as "Deadend" is there other than a single speech bubble in Alliance issue 4? His name is parsed as "Dead End" in issue 3. Isn't it very likely that "Deadend" is merely a typo? Unless I'm mistaken, we don't consider "seige mode" an actual alternate spelling for "siege mode", even though it's spelled that way in Infiltration issue 2.--Nevermore 16:26, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

It's that way in the novel. —Interrobang 19:18, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

Mainpic suggestion

There are some decent pics of Dead End in car mode in Alliance. The mainpic doesn't have to be robot mode if there isn't a descent image. - Starfield 23:01, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

Talk: Dead End (Movie)

This guy is called Deadend in The Veiled Threat as well. With all fiction appearances bearing that name, shouldn't we move it? (Fiction names over toy names, yes?) -Derik 12:16, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

I agree. - Starfield 12:23, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm cool with that. --FFN 14:11, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

And as many RotF prequel materials name him Dead End, I'm tempted to say Dead End (ROTF) is him too.--Rosicrucian^Talk 14:34, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

Tough call. If we don't learn anything different about either of the two ROTF Dead Ends, then I'd say yes. The Jolt toy's bio doesn't give him much personality to conflict with anything, besides being an AllSpark mutation. Speaking of which—if the comic book guy scanned his altmode, it doesn't sound like he's an AllSpark Mutation, so his intro paragraph probably needs some work. Just an idea, what if the Dead Ends were merged and Jolt was left as a toy-only character. - Starfield 18:02, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

How do we know the guy in Veiled Threat isn't either of the ROTF Dead Ends? EDIT: For that matter, fiction trumping toys doesn't always happen here. --Monzo 18:33, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

I was assuming it is because Deadend and Swindle are working together in both TVT and Alliance and the Alliance Dead End must look like Jolt somehow even though it is a different car model. I haven't seen Alliance so I can't vouch for him looking like Jolt. - Starfield 20:35, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

Alliance Dead End is redesigned into a compact, like Classics Bumblebee, he's coloured purple and silver like Jolt, but we never see his robot mode. --FFN 18:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

He's named Brawl in the comics Monzo. -Derik 20:40, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm just saying, every last thing we have about this dude is from RotF prequel info. At this point it's taking significant editorial liberty to assume that the prequel guys are somehow unaware of the upcoming RotF character and arrived here by chance while somehow also getting it approved by Hasbro legal. It stretches credibility. Dead End is likely... Dead End.--Rosicrucian^Talk 20:48, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

So-- assume they're the same guy until there's some indication otherwise?

I'm okay with that. -Derik 21:11, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

Well, except that he was killed off in a wave of "sweep away a group of old Decepticon toys." Swindle, Fracture, Overcast, Dropkick, Incinerator, Jetstorm. He was treated like a has-been from the previous franchise. Cynically, if he was in the new ROTF line, I think he might have found a way to stay alive. I say treat them the same, but I doubt they were intended to be. - Starfield 21:15, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

I disagree with merging the two of them together, since it's already confusing. "Jolt (Movie)" is now Dead End (Movie) because prequel fiction writers (or Hasbro) didn't want him being confused with the on-screen Autobot Jolt (ROTF) which is fair enough. If Dead End (Movie) was also meant to be Dead End (ROTF), you'd think Hasbro would say "Hey, we got two toys for a character named Dead End coming out this year. How about you not kill him?" On the other hand, given the ROTF line has two completely different-looking toys named Dead End who share nothing stylistically other than very basic colour similarities (and that's reverse coloured), I'm pretty sure Hasbro doesn't really care very much either way, so long as a trademark is being used. --FFN 18:49, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

I finally read Alliance 3 & 4. There is nothing to say Dead End isn't an AllSpark Mutation. He isn't shown arriving or scanning an altmode. In fact, Swindle calls him a "practice drone" which sounds like a pretty good reference to Jolt's toy bio. He also threatens to kill Swindle which would be in character from a guy who learned how to be a Decepticon by getting beat up my Barricade and Frenzy. He doesn't act at all like the Dead End toy bios. I'm in favor of two pages. Jolt (Movie) which is Jolt/Dead End (prequel fiction) and Dead End (ROTF) which is his ROTF toys. - Starfield 22:24, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

I'm in complete agreement. I think this page merge is fucking ridiculous, and this only reinforces it. --M Sipher 00:47, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

I agree 100% with this idea. --Detour 00:55, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

I concur. I've never liked merging Jolt/Dead End (Movie) with Dead End (ROTF). However, I disagree that Dead End in Alliance was an All Spark Mutation and thus did not come to Earth with Swindle. Their mutual loathing suggests a relationship prior to the scene in Alliance. "practice drone" is just an insult. --FFN 00:59, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Yea, you are right. There are also two comets zipping by the Golden Gate Bridge. - Starfield 14:12, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Space

Did this specific character ever get referred to as "Dead End" instead of "Deadend"? If not, a page move is in order. —Interrobang 15:46, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

He is called "Deadend" in the novel and Alliance #4 and "Dead End" in Alliance #3. - Starfield 22:24, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

Dead End and Detour

[1] This is no longer an isolated incident. I can positively confirm that at least three samples are available at a Toys'R'Us store in Germany, and there's also a sighting from the United Kingdom. Two things to note here:

1) The name "Detour" only appears on the cardboard insert. The cardback still calls him "Dead End". This applies to all the known samples thus far.

2) The "Detour" insert is international/European style. It appears the one from the TFW thread found in the USA was a fluke, as it features a European-style cardboard insert in an otherwise North American packaging. The European version, however, seems to have "Detour insert/Dead End cardback" as the standard.

So how exactly do we treat this thing? Name variant with a note on the top of the page? Fluke that gets listed under trivia? Or what?--Nevermore 06:00, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

I'd say do like we do on Jawbreaker's page. Just a trivia note. --Detour 06:02, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Changes to Scout class toy section

I removed the bit about floppy joints that pop off easily. I own multiple Dead Ends, none of which have this problem. I added a new bit, looking at his torso, extra plastic appears to have been added for safety reasons, which disables his chestplate from folding all the way down. As such, his lower jaw is invisible. Oddly, the odded plastic is only on the right side of the torso.--86.87.28.191 20:03, 6 June 2009 (EDT)